College Basketball/Draft Prospect Thread (Manual Ram Thread)

SportsPg · Post #201 » by **SportsPg** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:05 pm

Trey Burke is the truth at Michigan. He will be a lottery pick and is light years ahead of Teague. Not saying the Bulls should try to get him, just disputing that Marcus Smart is the only PG in this draft.

I think Burke will be the Lillard of the draft, he is a hell of a lot like Chris Paul, slightly bigger build, but very similar game...

As for the Bulls, they need to get another quality big man to back up Noah/Taj/Mirotic once Boozer is amnestied. Withey would be awesome, but I think he is going to continue his strong year and will become a late lottery type. CJ Leslie from NC State maybe? He's long and athletic as hell. He'll be around at the bottom of the 1st round...

23-7 · Post #202 » by **23-7** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:11 pm

MCW is better then teague as well. The biggest thing holding teague back is he lack of a jumper and lack of confidence to even take it.

Red Larrivee · Post #203 » by **Red Larrivee** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:15 pm

Teague and the CHA pick together really don't have that much value guys, especially if it puts you in Top 3-5 range. McLemore is definitely a stud though. He's having the type of season that scouts wanted to see out of Bradley Beal last year.

Jimmy Forums · Post #204 » by **Jimmy Forums** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:23 pm

Chi town wrote:Mc is as smooth as Ray Ray was at UCONN.

If he was picked 8-12 I think Teague and CHA pick would get him. If he's top 5 then no way.

Teague will have real value at the draft and there are NO PG's better than him in this draft outside of maybe Marcus Smart.

Maybe with rise of Oladipo and Mc that Carter Williams and Goodwin will be gettable.

Smart, MCW, Trey Burke, and BJ Young are all guys who I'd say are already better than Teague. You need to reevaluate how good you think Teague is.

BEN MCLEMORE IS A STUD. His shot is beautiful. Watching the ESPN highlights of his late threes...his elevation is both astounding and seemingly effortless. That guy is going to be a playmaker. At the beginning of the year, in terms of a scoring, ball-handling SG, I had Goodwin pegged as our best fit. Now I believe McLemore is going to be significantly more capable than Goodwin, at least early in their careers.

With more hyped players such as Noel and Shabazz, I don't think McLemore going #1 is realistic, but I do think anywhere from 3-10 is going to be a window we'd have to sneak into to grab him. We probably wouldn't**, but it'd be nice.

**For fun: with the report that Derrick's camp is pressuring the FO for a star by next year, paired with our track record of being cheap, is it more likely this year more than others that we would seek a trade to make a splash via draft, rather than an expensive free agent? If there's ever been a draft people are going to look to move down in, it's this one. With guys like McLemore, MCW, and Archie Goodwin, I think we have an excellent opportunity to make a splash in a draft most teams are sleeping on.

Red Larrivee · Post #205 » by **Red Larrivee** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:31 pm

The only real assets we have are Deng, Mirotic, our own picks and the Bobcats pick (which isn't that valued right now).

So I mean if you bombarded a team with draft picks, you could probably get McLemore or whoever, but would you really bail out all your picks to get a non-star?

BuffaloBull · Post #206 » by **BuffaloBull** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:38 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:The only real assets we have are Deng, Mirotic, our own picks and the Bobcats pick (which isn't that valued right now).

So I mean if you bombarded a team with draft picks, you could probably get McLemore or whoever, but would you really bail out all your picks to get a non-star?

Yeah if you really want to get that guy, you are going to have to pay. Deng, Charlotte pick, our pick probably is what it takes to move up, and that might not be enough. The team up there (maybe a squad like Washington, or New Orleans?) will have to have a young SG already and be looking for Deng's leadership.

That said, if you do that, it's not as bad as it seems for the Bulls, because you can "buy back" Deng's value in FA by amnesting Boozer the next offseason and bringing over Mirotic. You should have enough space to sign a wing, maybe a guy like Danny Granger.

It's a risky play, but if there is a guy you think can be better than Deng for Rose over the longterm, I think you have to consider it. The NBA is so much about top level talent that having the best 3 guys is almost always worth giving up the depth it took to get there.

Jimmy Forums · Post #207 » by **Jimmy Forums** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:59 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:The only real assets we have are Deng, Mirotic, our own picks and the Bobcats pick (which isn't that valued right now).

So I mean if you bombarded a team with draft picks, you could probably get McLemore or whoever, but would you really bail out all your picks to get a non-star?

Everybody starts out as a "non-star." One thing I've noticed on this board regarding drafts, not just you, Red, but a lot of times people don't understand that although somebody may be unproven on draft day, if a team sees something they like in them, trade value from their perspective is higher than for most. So yes, if we believe we've found the right guy in the draft, I'd be okay with a significant package for them.

Also, I started doing research on McLemore, and unfortunately for us, at this point in his career, he's not quite what we idealize as our SG of the future. He's not that great off the dribble and isn't the best guy to run an offense through, which is what we need to take the load off Derrick. At this point, in terms of fit, I still look at Archie Goodwin. He can shoot, penetrate, finish, pass, run, and is athletic enough to have promise defensively.

EDIT: The man in my sig represents a decent comparison to McLemore, -2 inches.

Red Larrivee · Post #208 » by **Red Larrivee** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:29 pm

No Im saying that dealing multiple picks for McLemore, who while good isnt a star right away, could take away assets from acquiring a legit all-star.

Id love to use Deng but if they werent interested then youd be looking at trying to deal multiple picks

Chi town · Post #209 » by **Chi town** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:39 pm

Another big game from Oladipo yesterday. 20pts and his customary hounding defense that gets steals, blocks, and causes lots of turnovers.

IMO there is no way he is not a lottery pick. I could also see him surpassing Goodwin as the 2nd SG taken.

ManualRam · Post #210 » by **ManualRam** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:34 pm

Chi town wrote:Another big game from Oladipo yesterday. 20pts and his customary hounding defense that gets steals, blocks, and causes lots of turnovers.

IMO there is no way he is not a lottery pick. I could also see him surpassing Goodwin as the 2nd SG taken.

i think oladipo's great and i'd love to have him on the bulls, but i wouldn't go that far. oladipo's not as talented as goodwin is. oladipo's got some physical talent, but he's more of a hardworker and an overachiever. goodwin's just inexperienced, has a lot to learn but likely won't learn until he plays under a good coach.

Saphir · Post #211 » by **Saphir** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:06 pm

Random inquiry: Doug McDermott. Looks like a stretch four. Had 39 points and 10 rebounds on 15-19 shooting in a recent game. His name was brought up out of the blue in conversation the other day.

How does he project in the next level? First round? Second round? Bust?

Red Larrivee · Post #212 » by **Red Larrivee** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:30 pm

He moves really well without the ball, he's got great scoring efficiency levels and he's a fantastic shooter with great form and release. I like him. Not sure how good of a pro he'll be, but what he's done in college is very impressive.

23-7 · Post #213 » by **23-7** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:31 pm

Bigger szerbiack maybe

ManualRam · Post #214 » by **ManualRam** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:57 pm

a little bit of wally, a little bit of jamison.
he outworks defenders with his movement and really knows how to get off shots quickly off the catch.
playing in a system like the bulls do would maximize his ability since they run so much continuity, but he's a likely 2nd or 3rd man off the bench.

Red Larrivee · Post #215 » by **Red Larrivee** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:00 pm

23-7 wrote:Bigger szerbiack maybe

No reason he can't do something similar to what Novak does with better off-ball movement. Him in a system like the Knicks or Orlando's old system around Dwight would be a nightmare.

danzou · Post #216 » by **danzou** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:04 pm

Olidapo 7-7 fg yesterday. Now up to a crazy 72 TS%. Probably going to climb too high for the bulls

. Maybe no room for him here with JB but I still want him.

danzou · Post #217 » by **danzou** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:10 pm

Unfortunately the Bulls will always be too good with Derrick to draft a stud SG. Year after year us fans drool over the thought of drafting Klay, George, Beal, Mclemore..shortage of good offensive 2s in the league today so they all get drafted early. We will never be in a position to draft nor will we trade up for one. Best hope is Charlotte pick.

BullsFTW · Post #218 » by **BullsFTW** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:20 pm

danzou wrote:Unfortunately the Bulls will always be too good with Derrick to draft a stud SG. Year after year us fans drool over the thought of drafting Klay, George, Beal, Mclemore..shortage of good offensive 2s in the league today so they all get drafted early. We will never be in a position to draft nor will we trade up for one. Best hope is Charlotte pick.

Trade our pick this year and return the Bobcats pick back to them for the Bobcats 2013 pick?

BuffaloBull · Post #219 » by **BuffaloBull** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:48 pm

McLemore seems like he's too high up, at this point, to think we'll be able to get him with the assets we have available to trade up, but I wonder whether we could target a guy like Archie Goodwin instead. Goodwin's not the shooter McLemore is, but he's got really high end athleticism at the 2, which is something we need on the wing. I think we would take him, and hope to mold him into the role you want for him.

I think one thing that gets overlooked between the two a little bit is that McLemore is 18 months older than Goodwin.

ManualRam · Post #220 » by **ManualRam** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:46 pm

BuffaloBull wrote:McLemore seems like he's too high up, at this point, to think we'll be able to get him with the assets we have available to trade up, but I wonder whether we could target a guy like Archie Goodwin instead. Goodwin's not the shooter McLemore is, but he's got really high end athleticism at the 2, which is something we need on the wing. I think we would take him, and hope to mold him into the role you want for him.

I think one thing that gets overlooked between the two a little bit is that McLemore is 18 months older than Goodwin.

i don't make much out of that age difference. one is basically a sophomore, the other is a freshman.
the difference in age shows. mclemore just has a much more mature game.
i also think that goodwin is more of a project than mclemore. goodwin has quite a few bad habits to unlearn. playing under coach cal likely won't help him in that regard, so imo he'll likely be just as much of a project next yr as he was this yr.