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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#201 » by kingkirk » Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:54 am

HomoSapien wrote:I think this is a big exaggeration. Deng is coming off of two straight All-Star appearances. The Bobcats on the other hand are really trying to establish some sort of winning atmosphere. Gilchrist, hasn't really done much so far either.


Again, he just turned 20 and was a 2nd overall pick a year ago.

I know Deng is a dual all star, but he is an expiring. The Cats will get the salary relief when Gordon is gone when he expires so why would they risk losing MKG for Deng who could walk?

It would be a Milwaukee Bucks situation all over with the Harris / Redick deal, which in hindsight, was terrible.
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Post#202 » by TheGameChanger » Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:09 am

DanTown8587 wrote:Deng for Bynum, Cavs first works for both sides incredibly well.

If the Cavs lotto protect the pick, they're is little downside to them: make the playoffs (yay!) or keep the pick. They also acquire Deng's bird rights so that if they strike out in FA, they can sign Deng and then still use the MLE.

The Bulls waive Bynum and it saves them a little under eight million in luxury tax (would have to sign a guy for the minimum to replace Bynum).

Then follow up with Dunleavy for Brewer, Aaron Brooks and you're out of the tax

Hinrich/Brooks/Teague/James
Butler/HInrich
Snell/Brewer
Boozer/Gibson/Murphy
Noah/Mohammed

IL Rose


F the idea of waving Bynum. I love Bynum if you can get 25 MPG out of him.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#203 » by BossHoggin » Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:14 am

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DanTown8587 wrote:Deng for Bynum, Cavs first works for both sides incredibly well.

If the Cavs lotto protect the pick, they're is little downside to them: make the playoffs (yay!) or keep the pick. They also acquire Deng's bird rights so that if they strike out in FA, they can sign Deng and then still use the MLE.

The Bulls waive Bynum and it saves them a little under eight million in luxury tax (would have to sign a guy for the minimum to replace Bynum).

Then follow up with Dunleavy for Brewer, Aaron Brooks and you're out of the tax

Hinrich/Brooks/Teague/James
Butler/HInrich
Snell/Brewer
Boozer/Gibson/Murphy
Noah/Mohammed

IL Rose


F the idea of waving Bynum. I love Bynum if you can get 25 MPG out of him.
Cavs don't even consider a first for Deng, no matter how many times it is discussed.
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Post#204 » by whodey » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:10 pm

How about Shawn Marion, Vince Carter, and a Top 10/Lotto protected pick? If anyone is getting impatient, it's got to be Cuban.

Also, these trade rumors will really start picking up steam come mid January - mid February when teams know their outlook.
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Post#205 » by Nate3carp » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:21 pm

BossHoggin wrote:Cavs don't even consider a first for Deng, no matter how many times it is discussed.

I think everyone who thinks the cavs might want deng is thinking that their owner basically guaranteed the fans that they'd make the playoffs. Their GM will probably be fired if they don't. That's the perfect scenario for a team trading a draft pick. Clark/Gee/Waiters and 1st round pick swap for Deng I think is something the Cavs would go for if they are trying to do for the playoffs


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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#206 » by Ice Man » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:34 pm

If he has any value, trade him.

The Noah/Rose/Kirk/Deng nucleus was excellent, a great core to make a run at a title, but its time has now passed. Rose will miss his 3rd straight playoffs and is a complete unknown. Kirk is old and will be gone, Deng likely will be gone. It's time to recharge with a new young nucleus.

There's no realistic hope to win a title in 2014. Sell Deng while there is some value.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#207 » by randybrown » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:22 pm

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Chi Dynasty12 wrote:Those of you saying Deng is untradeable are greatly underestimating his talent and value to a team looking to win now.

Something like:

Luol Deng (expiring)

for

Kidd-Gilchrist + Ben Gordon (expiring)

makes a lot of sense for both sides.



Not for us it doesn't

We don't want to make the Cats better until we get their pick


Maybe we do, 2014 draft is better than average.
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Post#208 » by TankJob » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:44 pm

whodey wrote:How about Shawn Marion, Vince Carter, and a Top 10/Lotto protected pick? If anyone is getting impatient, it's got to be Cuban.

Also, these trade rumors will really start picking up steam come mid January - mid February when teams know their outlook.


They don't have a pick to give their pick. Otherwise it would be a best scenario for trading Deng.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#209 » by Red Larrivee » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:54 pm

I thought about the MKG/Gordon package as well, but decided the Bobcats wouldn't do it. It's not a bad proposal though.

I can see why the Biedrins/Burks/Warriors pick for Deng deal wouldn't be realistic either, but I think both deals are at least on the money in value.

Dallas would definitely deal Marion for Deng, but there's nothing in that for Chicago.

I'm sure there will be suitors, particularly a playoff team. The Bulls should be able to get a pick, just not a bad team's pick.


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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#210 » by Tenchi Ryu » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:58 pm

And it really sucks Monta is playing so damn well, no way Cuban wants to give him up now.
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Post#211 » by AAU Teammate » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:07 pm

Tenchi Ryu wrote:And it really sucks Monta is playing so damn well, no way Cuban wants to give him up now.


There is nothing at all sucky about that
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Post#212 » by Tenchi Ryu » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:08 pm

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Tenchi Ryu wrote:And it really sucks Monta is playing so damn well, no way Cuban wants to give him up now.


There is nothing at all sucky about that

I'm not speaking as a basketball fan, but a Bulls fan wanting to make moves. Someone who was right in our hand, escaped and now balling where he's unavailable does suck.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#213 » by Proven_Winner » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:12 pm

Tenchi Ryu wrote:
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Tenchi Ryu wrote:And it really sucks Monta is playing so damn well, no way Cuban wants to give him up now.


There is nothing at all sucky about that

I'm not speaking as a basketball fan, but a Bulls fan wanting to make moves. Someone who was right in our hand, escaped and now balling where he's unavailable does suck.


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Post#214 » by ATRAIN53 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:19 pm

They wont trade Deng unless HE asks to be traded to a contender.

I've never heard him say anything like 'I'm getting to the point in my career that I want to win a championship'

and that's mostly because he's been om competitive teams.

But it does make you wonder after this season if he'll be looking at some other options.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#215 » by Tenchi Ryu » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:30 pm

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Tenchi Ryu wrote:
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There is nothing at all sucky about that

I'm not speaking as a basketball fan, but a Bulls fan wanting to make moves. Someone who was right in our hand, escaped and now balling where he's unavailable does suck.


Captain Hindsight knows everything. :lol:

To be fair though, a number of people were interested, but he got this unfair label as a stupid chucker who would never benefit a team. But people would counter that a good stable environment would work wonders for him compared to a irrelevant Bucks team.
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Post#216 » by AAU Teammate » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:34 pm

Tenchi Ryu wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:
Tenchi Ryu wrote:I'm not speaking as a basketball fan, but a Bulls fan wanting to make moves. Someone who was right in our hand, escaped and now balling where he's unavailable does suck.


Captain Hindsight knows everything. :lol:

To be fair though, a number of people were interested, but he got this unfair label as a stupid chucker who would never benefit a team. But people would counter that a good stable environment would work wonders for him compared to a irrelevant Bucks team.



GSW wasnt a terminal franchise by any stretch. Of course, if one wants to draw things out in this manner..then one could say they became good and stable once he...left.

Not to saddle him with too much, but he shoots a lot and doesnt make threes and doesn't have great size........so he's not someone to pair with Rose. We need more space for Rose, not less.

And all that is just offense.
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Post#217 » by jc23 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:43 pm

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... gency-room
Chicago might be able to pry a late first-round pick from some borderline contender in exchange for Deng — the desperate Wizards just coughed up a potential lottery pick for Marcin "the towel ripper" Gortat — but even if they can't, the Bulls might net some combination of savings and second-round picks. Potential Deng suitors could include:

Cleveland: The Cavs are a disaster with a revolving cast of bricklayers at small forward, an ownership group that talked very loudly about making noise in the postseason, and a pile of trade assets. Deng would help this season without soaking up the cap space Cleveland has saved up to make another run at LeBron. (Stop laughing!)

Milwaukee: The Bucks have stumbled into a tanking gold mine, but their owner, Herb Kohl, has long been open about his preference that the Bucks compete for a bottom-rung playoff spot instead of chasing Ping-Pong balls. The Bucks have expiring contracts that can fit, plus more second-round picks than anyone in the league.

Atlanta: Come on, Hawks! The Eastern Conference is in flames around you! You're the third-best team in the conference now by complete accident! Go for it! This roster is built to trade, and Paul Millsap, on a bargain deal, will instantly become perhaps the league's most tradable player when the calendar flips to December 15. Millsap is a valuable piece, and the Millsap/Al Horford pairing gives Atlanta impeccable spacing. But he's also something of a Horford Lite, and if Danny Ferry can turn him into a game-changing wing or center (Omer Asik?), then they should at least think about it — especially if said trade target carries an expiring contract that doesn't impact the cap flexibility Ferry has worked so carefully to build.

You could build a lot of interesting two- and three-team trades using the Hawks, especially since Atlanta is due an extra first-rounder from Brooklyn. Just saying.

New York
: Never underestimate the lunacy of a 3-9 team whose owner actually thinks they should be title contenders. The Knicks can't trade any first-round pick before their 2018 selection (thanks, Andrea!), but the Bulls might be able to foist the Deng/Boozer platter onto New York for Iman Shumpert, Amar'e Stoudemire's body, and a future pick.

You could make the case for San Antonio and Oklahoma City, both in need of backup small forwards, and with small-ball friendly rosters that could incorporate another rangy wing without suffering major diminishing returns. But the Thunder are only $1.4 million under the tax, making it difficult for them to take on Deng's salary and offer the Bulls much in the way of savings. The same is true for Memphis, which has a bit more breathing room under the tax but lacks a big expiring contract or a tradable first-round pick. The Wolves have a ready package on hand of Derrick Williams, J.J. Barea, and Alexey Shved, but Corey Brewer has fit in nicely at small forward, and said package leaves Chicago with more long-term money on the books than it has now. The Nuggets and Pellies, the latter currently starting Al-Farouq Aminu's broken moon-ball jump shot at small forward, introduce the same issue of long-term money coming back to Chicago in any workable Deng deals.

Bottom line:
Chicago is toast as a contender without Rose, and if the Bulls conclude that the odds are against Rose returning to anything like peak form this season, they should begin exploring trades now. The foundation for the next Bulls team is already here, in Rose, Noah, Butler, the overseas star Nikola Mirotic, and an extra first-round pick the Bobcats still owe Chicago for (gulp) Tyrus Thomas. Butler can guard most small forwards already; it would be worthwhile to test the market for both Deng and Gibson.

But the Bulls aren't there yet, and they won't be until they get the specifics on Rose. Please be well, Derrick.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#218 » by Chi town » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:44 pm

AAU Teammate wrote:
Tenchi Ryu wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:
Captain Hindsight knows everything. :lol:

To be fair though, a number of people were interested, but he got this unfair label as a stupid chucker who would never benefit a team. But people would counter that a good stable environment would work wonders for him compared to a irrelevant Bucks team.



GSW wasnt a terminal franchise by any stretch. Of course, if one wants to draw things out in this manner..then one could say they became good and stable once he...left.

Not to saddle him with too much, but he shoots a lot and doesnt make threes and doesn't have great size........so he's not someone to pair with Rose. We need more space for Rose, not less.

And all that is just offense.


At 8M per he would have been near perfect next to Rose. His team D would have been fine. Bulls didn't want to move Deng to make it happen. Imagine the open shots Jimmy, Kirk, and MDJ would have gotten. Keep watching though as Mayo did the same thing last year until Dirk came back.

Bulls liked MCW at the draft. We could have shipped Deng out for a 9-11 pick to get him. Sign Monta w the savings.

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Monta/Kirk

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Post#219 » by Gray Poster » Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:01 pm

Plenty of teams to trade with. Hawks and Cavs should be at the top of the list. Hawks could part with a pick and player ( like Lou Williams or Paul Milsap ). Cavs just a ton of talent at positions they have tons of players( PF ). Paul Milsap ( not the injured Lou Williams) and a first would be a great haul.




jc23 wrote:http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/83641/deja-vu-in-chicago-plus-a-trip-through-the-nbas-emergency-room
Chicago might be able to pry a late first-round pick from some borderline contender in exchange for Deng — the desperate Wizards just coughed up a potential lottery pick for Marcin "the towel ripper" Gortat — but even if they can't, the Bulls might net some combination of savings and second-round picks. Potential Deng suitors could include:

Cleveland: The Cavs are a disaster with a revolving cast of bricklayers at small forward, an ownership group that talked very loudly about making noise in the postseason, and a pile of trade assets. Deng would help this season without soaking up the cap space Cleveland has saved up to make another run at LeBron. (Stop laughing!)

Milwaukee: The Bucks have stumbled into a tanking gold mine, but their owner, Herb Kohl, has long been open about his preference that the Bucks compete for a bottom-rung playoff spot instead of chasing Ping-Pong balls. The Bucks have expiring contracts that can fit, plus more second-round picks than anyone in the league.

Atlanta: Come on, Hawks! The Eastern Conference is in flames around you! You're the third-best team in the conference now by complete accident! Go for it! This roster is built to trade, and Paul Millsap, on a bargain deal, will instantly become perhaps the league's most tradable player when the calendar flips to December 15. Millsap is a valuable piece, and the Millsap/Al Horford pairing gives Atlanta impeccable spacing. But he's also something of a Horford Lite, and if Danny Ferry can turn him into a game-changing wing or center (Omer Asik?), then they should at least think about it — especially if said trade target carries an expiring contract that doesn't impact the cap flexibility Ferry has worked so carefully to build.

You could build a lot of interesting two- and three-team trades using the Hawks, especially since Atlanta is due an extra first-rounder from Brooklyn. Just saying.

New York
: Never underestimate the lunacy of a 3-9 team whose owner actually thinks they should be title contenders. The Knicks can't trade any first-round pick before their 2018 selection (thanks, Andrea!), but the Bulls might be able to foist the Deng/Boozer platter onto New York for Iman Shumpert, Amar'e Stoudemire's body, and a future pick.

You could make the case for San Antonio and Oklahoma City, both in need of backup small forwards, and with small-ball friendly rosters that could incorporate another rangy wing without suffering major diminishing returns. But the Thunder are only $1.4 million under the tax, making it difficult for them to take on Deng's salary and offer the Bulls much in the way of savings. The same is true for Memphis, which has a bit more breathing room under the tax but lacks a big expiring contract or a tradable first-round pick. The Wolves have a ready package on hand of Derrick Williams, J.J. Barea, and Alexey Shved, but Corey Brewer has fit in nicely at small forward, and said package leaves Chicago with more long-term money on the books than it has now. The Nuggets and Pellies, the latter currently starting Al-Farouq Aminu's broken moon-ball jump shot at small forward, introduce the same issue of long-term money coming back to Chicago in any workable Deng deals.

Bottom line:
Chicago is toast as a contender without Rose, and if the Bulls conclude that the odds are against Rose returning to anything like peak form this season, they should begin exploring trades now. The foundation for the next Bulls team is already here, in Rose, Noah, Butler, the overseas star Nikola Mirotic, and an extra first-round pick the Bobcats still owe Chicago for (gulp) Tyrus Thomas. Butler can guard most small forwards already; it would be worthwhile to test the market for both Deng and Gibson.

But the Bulls aren't there yet, and they won't be until they get the specifics on Rose. Please be well, Derrick.
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Re: Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng 

Post#220 » by jc23 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:11 pm

I think to make a trade with the Cavs or Milwaukee they have to improve to feel better about making a move i.e. feel like they are one player away from making the playoffs.

With the Cavs we might be able to do a Lu for Bynum deal (assuming he is not working out). And we can just cut him at the end of the year if he doesnt work out with us either.

The cavs have plenty of assets so we should be able to net a nice pick if they are game.

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not sure about Milwaukee's assets but this deal saves us some money and hopefully nets us a pick.

disclaimer: I only mention these trade in the situation where Derrick is dont for the year. And im going off what Zach Lowe had already mentioned as possibilities.
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