Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here

[League Circles]

Is there any team that we think will royally suck next season that might trade us their 2019 first unprotected for our 2018 first unprotected?

[sco]

I think an interesting two deals would be

Robin Lopez for Dieng, #1 2018 (via OKC)

Why for the Bulls: They get a better long term piece at the 5 spot who is two years younger and has two more years of team control.

Why for the Wolves: They are in serious luxury tax trouble come 2019 and getting rid of the two years of Dieng while still getting a C like Lopez makes a lot of sense. The other thing about Lopez is that he might be a better scorer off the bench against much smaller second units for a few minutes a night.

Niko, Holliday, Grant, #2 via NO for Amir Johnson, Jerryd Bayless, Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot, lotto protected #1, best #2 via BK/NY

Why for Chicago: they trade some veterans who don't matter to the core to get a decent look at Cabarrot as well as a #1 that is likely to be in the middle of round one.

Why for the Sixers: They massively upgrade their sixth man scoring in Niko as well as get a better PG in Grant than Bayless at managing a game and making threes and defending. Holliday also gives them a legit wing off the bench that they simply don't have past Reddick/Saric/Covington. This drastically improves their playoff rotation (McConnell/Grant/Simmons/Reddick/Covington/Holliday/Niko/Booker/Embiid)

End of season
Dunn/Bayless/Payne*
Lavine/Nwaba
Valentine/TLC/Zipser
Markkanen/Portis
Dieng/Felicio/Johnson

Yeah, I'd do both of those in a second, but I doubt Minny or Philly value our guys that highly or said another way, could get more for their assets.

[League Circles]

Take on Dieng's deal for a late first? Helllllll no.

[DanTown8587]

I think an interesting two deals would be

Robin Lopez for Dieng, #1 2018 (via OKC)

Why for the Bulls: They get a better long term piece at the 5 spot who is two years younger and has two more years of team control.

Why for the Wolves: They are in serious luxury tax trouble come 2019 and getting rid of the two years of Dieng while still getting a C like Lopez makes a lot of sense. The other thing about Lopez is that he might be a better scorer off the bench against much smaller second units for a few minutes a night.

Niko, Holliday, Grant, #2 via NO for Amir Johnson, Jerryd Bayless, Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot, lotto protected #1, best #2 via BK/NY

Why for Chicago: they trade some veterans who don't matter to the core to get a decent look at Cabarrot as well as a #1 that is likely to be in the middle of round one.

Why for the Sixers: They massively upgrade their sixth man scoring in Niko as well as get a better PG in Grant than Bayless at managing a game and making threes and defending. Holliday also gives them a legit wing off the bench that they simply don't have past Reddick/Saric/Covington. This drastically improves their playoff rotation (McConnell/Grant/Simmons/Reddick/Covington/Holliday/Niko/Booker/Embiid)

End of season
Dunn/Bayless/Payne*
Lavine/Nwaba
Valentine/TLC/Zipser
Markkanen/Portis
Dieng/Felicio/Johnson

Yeah, I'd do both of those in a second, but I doubt Minny or Philly value our guys that highly or said another way, could get more for their assets.

I don't imagine the Wolves would get a better C than Lopez for that deal; the question is could they find a better salary and that's questionable. They basically get rid of the commitment to Dieng, which makes sense because I think he's fairly overpaid considering the C market. Theres no way he'd get that contract today if he was a FA this summer.

There's no way that Sixers package could fetch that many quality players. It's basically a mid-first and TLC and a 8-10 pick move in the 2nd round.

[sco]

How about saving Orlando some money and help their tank:

RoLo, Felicio, Pondexter, Grant for Fournier and Biyombo?

[DanTown8587]

How about saving Orlando some money and help their tank:

RoLo, Felicio, Pondexter, Grant for Fournier and Biyombo?

That's too much future money for a guy (Fournier) who plays literally the same way Lavine does. This only makes sense if your trading Lavine for a high value package because there is no value to the Magic package.

[Lauri_Legend]

Bulls trade: Nobody

Bulls receive: Solid FA in summer of 2018

[ChiTownHero1992]

Bulls trade: Nobody

Bulls receive: Solid FA in summer of 2018

Good luck with that...who is ur solid free agent?

Chris Paul, back to Houston...
George, back to OKC or to LA
Cousins, back to NOP or LA...
Reddick? Why we have Lavine...
KCP...still have Lavine, over paid
Monroe...no need
Favors...no need
Parker...no need and wont leave SAS
Bradley...still have Lavine
Jabari Parker...injuries/fit are ???s
Thomas...no need
Aaron Gordon...like he would turn down the money/not be matched..

That leaves role players such as Herzonja, Len, Exum maybe...better known as guys we dont need to overspend on but could take a chance on. If were going to take chances on players...why not have them be on rookie contracts via picks we get from trades.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Bulls trade: Nobody

Bulls receive: Solid FA in summer of 2018

im for it! Trade only Felicio and cut Payne..

[sco]

I wonder if Holiday has enough value for some team to take on Felicio's contract. Maybe Holiday plus Grant would be enough?

[Lauri_Legend]

Bulls trade: Nobody

Bulls receive: Solid FA in summer of 2018

Good luck with that...who is ur solid free agent?

Chris Paul, back to Houston...
George, back to OKC or to LA
Cousins, back to NOP or LA...
Reddick? Why we have Lavine...
KCP...still have Lavine, over paid
Monroe...no need
Favors...no need
Parker...no need and wont leave SAS
Bradley...still have Lavine
Jabari Parker...injuries/fit are ???s
Thomas...no need
Aaron Gordon...like he would turn down the money/not be matched..

That leaves role players such as Herzonja, Len, Exum maybe...better known as guys we dont need to overspend on but could take a chance on. If were going to take chances on players...why not have them be on rookie contracts via picks we get from trades.

Ariza - we can use his experience and shooting at the SF spot. He plays good defense.

Belinelli- Good shooter off the bench. Fits the system.

Wilson Chanlder- Good scorer at SF. He can shoot.

Avery Bradley - Because why not another great defender who can shoot. Fits well with positionless basketball.

KCP- Good defender who can shoot the ball well behind the arc

Wayne Ellington- Shooter

Rodney Hood - having a career year. Great shooter. Fits the system.



Grab a few of those guys, add depth to our squad, and we'll be a GOOD playoff team.

Just no long term commitments, continue to win games, and when we can attract a big fish, go for it. Just as long as we're not committing these guys to long term deals.

NOTE: Having Lavine shouldn't stop you from adding guys like Bradley and Pope. You add talented perimeter plays as much as possible. Don't limit yourself.

[ChiTownHero1992]

Bulls trade: Nobody

Bulls receive: Solid FA in summer of 2018

Good luck with that...who is ur solid free agent?

Chris Paul, back to Houston...
George, back to OKC or to LA
Cousins, back to NOP or LA...
Reddick? Why we have Lavine...
KCP...still have Lavine, over paid
Monroe...no need
Favors...no need
Parker...no need and wont leave SAS
Bradley...still have Lavine
Jabari Parker...injuries/fit are ???s
Thomas...no need
Aaron Gordon...like he would turn down the money/not be matched..

That leaves role players such as Herzonja, Len, Exum maybe...better known as guys we dont need to overspend on but could take a chance on. If were going to take chances on players...why not have them be on rookie contracts via picks we get from trades.

Ariza - we can use his experience and shooting at the SF spot. He plays good defense.

Belinelli- Good shooter off the bench. Fits the system.

Wilson Chanlder- Good scorer at SF. He can shoot.

Avery Bradley - Because why not another great defender who can shoot. Fits well with positionless basketball.

KCP- Good defender who can shoot the ball well behind the arc

Wayne Ellington- Shooter

Rodney Hood - having a career year. Great shooter. Fits the system.



Grab a few of those guys, add depth to our squad, and we'll be a GOOD playoff team.

Just no long term commitments, continue to win games, and when we can attract a big fish, go for it. Just as long as we're not committing these guys to long term deals.

NOTE: Having Lavine shouldn't stop you from adding guys like Bradley and Pope. You add talented perimeter plays as much as possible. Don't limit yourself.

Bulls already need to sign Zach Lavine who is going to take up 20M+ easy and already have 61M on the board for next year. They've expressed interest in bringing back Nwaba, thats easily another 5M+...leaving us roughly 14M unless we want to go over the cap which is highly unlikely considering their history and even if they do almost every one of those guys is going to want 10M+ per year, guys like BRadley, Chandler, Hood and KCP will want nearly 20M+....no way were "grabbing a few of those guys".

[sco]

Bored trade idea:

Chicago
In: BKN Pick, Thompson, Shumpert, McLemore
Out: Niko, RoLo, Felicio

Cleveland
In: Gasol, Felicio
Out: BKN Pick, Thompson, Shumpert, Osman, CLE 1st

Memphis
In: RoLo, Niko, Osman, CLE 1st
Out: Gasol, McLemore

It amounts to Niko for Gasol for BKN pick 3-way. Not sure Memphis is getting enough, but Niko is young and can be a part of their future.

[sco]

According to Adrian Wojnarowski and Michael C. Wright of ESPN, Kawhi Leonard and his camp have been described as "distant" and "disconnected" from the Spurs.
According to the report, "Months of discord centering on elements of treatment, rehabilitation and timetables for return from a right quadriceps injury have had a chilling impact" on Leonard's relationship with the front office and coaching staff. Wojnarowski adds that "there is work to be done to repair what has been until now a successful partnership," so the Spurs find themselves in rare territory for a franchise that is considered to be one of the best in all of sports. Spurs GM RC Buford has refuted these claims, but did add that this process has been "difficult for everyone." The superstar forward remains without a timetable to return as he continues to rehab his troublesome quad injury.

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nba/basketball-player-news/


Long-shot, but Niko and our first for Kawhi? I'd add our 2020

[Chitownbulls]

Bulls trade: Nobody

Bulls receive: Solid FA in summer of 2018

Good luck with that...who is ur solid free agent?

Chris Paul, back to Houston...
George, back to OKC or to LA
Cousins, back to NOP or LA...
Reddick? Why we have Lavine...
KCP...still have Lavine, over paid
Monroe...no need

Favors...no need
Parker...no need and wont leave SAS
Bradley...still have Lavine
Jabari Parker...injuries/fit are ???s
Thomas...no need
Aaron Gordon...like he would turn down the money/not be matched..

That leaves role players such as Herzonja, Len, Exum maybe...better known as guys we dont need to overspend on but could take a chance on. If were going to take chances on players...why not have them be on rookie contracts via picks we get from trades.

This exactly. Bulls still need a star to be a legit contender imo. I dont see landing one in free agency, especially with the new CBA. Guys are going to have to leave millions on the table to come to a young, unproven Bulls team?


Not sure if that's a good enough attraction for a super star.

[Chitownbulls]

Good luck with that...who is ur solid free agent?

Chris Paul, back to Houston...
George, back to OKC or to LA
Cousins, back to NOP or LA...
Reddick? Why we have Lavine...
KCP...still have Lavine, over paid
Monroe...no need
Favors...no need
Parker...no need and wont leave SAS
Bradley...still have Lavine
Jabari Parker...injuries/fit are ???s
Thomas...no need
Aaron Gordon...like he would turn down the money/not be matched..

That leaves role players such as Herzonja, Len, Exum maybe...better known as guys we dont need to overspend on but could take a chance on. If were going to take chances on players...why not have them be on rookie contracts via picks we get from trades.

Ariza - we can use his experience and shooting at the SF spot. He plays good defense.

Belinelli- Good shooter off the bench. Fits the system.

Wilson Chanlder- Good scorer at SF. He can shoot.

Avery Bradley - Because why not another great defender who can shoot. Fits well with positionless basketball.

KCP- Good defender who can shoot the ball well behind the arc

Wayne Ellington- Shooter

Rodney Hood - having a career year. Great shooter. Fits the system.



Grab a few of those guys, add depth to our squad, and we'll be a GOOD playoff team.

Just no long term commitments, continue to win games, and when we can attract a big fish, go for it. Just as long as we're not committing these guys to long term deals.

NOTE: Having Lavine shouldn't stop you from adding guys like Bradley and Pope. You add talented perimeter plays as much as possible. Don't limit yourself.

Bulls already need to sign Zach Lavine who is going to take up 20M+ easy and already have 61M on the board for next year. They've expressed interest in bringing back Nwaba, thats easily another 5M+...leaving us roughly 14M unless we want to go over the cap which is highly unlikely considering their history and even if they do almost every one of those guys is going to want 10M+ per year, guys like BRadley, Chandler, Hood and KCP will want nearly 20M+....no way were "grabbing a few of those guys".

Exactly why I want the tank.

Bulls can get a potential All Star player on a rookie contract for the next 4-5 years! Plus we would own their "bird rights" giving us a great chance to resign our own. You get a rookie, there's a very good chance that player will still be in the organization 7-8yrs from now.

[aramada]

I think an interesting two deals would be

Robin Lopez for Dieng, #1 2018 (via OKC)

Why for the Bulls: They get a better long term piece at the 5 spot who is two years younger and has two more years of team control.

Why for the Wolves: They are in serious luxury tax trouble come 2019 and getting rid of the two years of Dieng while still getting a C like Lopez makes a lot of sense. The other thing about Lopez is that he might be a better scorer off the bench against much smaller second units for a few minutes a night.

Niko, Holliday, Grant, #2 via NO for Amir Johnson, Jerryd Bayless, Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot, lotto protected #1, best #2 via BK/NY

Why for Chicago: they trade some veterans who don't matter to the core to get a decent look at Cabarrot as well as a #1 that is likely to be in the middle of round one.

Why for the Sixers: They massively upgrade their sixth man scoring in Niko as well as get a better PG in Grant than Bayless at managing a game and making threes and defending. Holliday also gives them a legit wing off the bench that they simply don't have past Reddick/Saric/Covington. This drastically improves their playoff rotation (McConnell/Grant/Simmons/Reddick/Covington/Holliday/Niko/Booker/Embiid)

End of season
Dunn/Bayless/Payne*
Lavine/Nwaba
Valentine/TLC/Zipser
Markkanen/Portis
Dieng/Felicio/Johnson

Lopez is the most durable center in the league and Dieng is less than 2 years younger - not sure about better long term piece. Dieng is serviceable but at I'm sure we can do better if we take on longer contracts in exchange for good talent on value contract.

The other trade with Philly could work on principle value-wise, except for Mirotic and Saric overlapping.

[aramada]

Bulls trade: Nobody

Bulls receive: Solid FA in summer of 2018

Good luck with that...who is ur solid free agent?

Chris Paul, back to Houston...
George, back to OKC or to LA
Cousins, back to NOP or LA...
Reddick? Why we have Lavine...
KCP...still have Lavine, over paid
Monroe...no need
Favors...no need
Parker...no need and wont leave SAS
Bradley...still have Lavine
Jabari Parker...injuries/fit are ???s
Thomas...no need
Aaron Gordon...like he would turn down the money/not be matched..

That leaves role players such as Herzonja, Len, Exum maybe...better known as guys we dont need to overspend on but could take a chance on. If were going to take chances on players...why not have them be on rookie contracts via picks we get from trades.

LeBron ...

[kodo]

Exactly why I want the tank.

Bulls can get a potential All Star player on a rookie contract for the next 4-5 years! Plus we would own their "bird rights" giving us a great chance to resign our own. You get a rookie, there's a very good chance that player will still be in the organization 7-8yrs from now.

Agreed. The value of a player on a contract for a few years vs draft picks is at an all-time low right now.

We're going to be paying Markkanen & Dunn $3.8M, $4.5M, $5.3M, $6.7M for the next 4 years.
They make half of what Felicio makes.

Meanwhile Otto Porter makes $24.7M to $28.5M through 2021. I'm not sure how happy that would make me that I "won" the Otto Porter Free Agency. Even Paul Millsap's free agency was iffy to me. He's 32, averaging 15 & 6, shoots 34% from 3, and will be paid $30M for 3 years.

If that's a good Free Agency outcome, I'd prefer the draft.

[DanTown8587]

Bored trade idea:

Chicago
In: BKN Pick, Thompson, Shumpert, McLemore
Out: Niko, RoLo, Felicio

Cleveland
In: Gasol, Felicio
Out: BKN Pick, Thompson, Shumpert, Osman, CLE 1st

Memphis
In: RoLo, Niko, Osman, CLE 1st
Out: Gasol, McLemore

It amounts to Niko for Gasol for BKN pick 3-way. Not sure Memphis is getting enough, but Niko is young and can be a part of their future.

So Memphis trades the far more valuable asset in M. Gasol and doesn't get the BKN pick? The problem with this trade (and all three ways with the Cavs) is that you want some team to value Niko and the Bulls assets over the Nets pick while also hoping Cleveland values said teams asset more than the Bulls. The Bulls are not a logical third team in that type of deal unless it's with the Pelicans and it's something like

Niko, Holliday, Thompson to New Orleans
Cousins to Cleveland
Bkn pick, Asik, Shumpert, Ajinca to Chicago

That type of deal works if New Orleans thinks Niko is 80-85% of Cousins and gives them more longterm value incase Cousins leaves while rehabbing Thompson back to a valuable C and Holliday as a servicable wing but if they're trading Cousins, you have to imagine they want something coming back in terms of a valuable young player while getting rid of bad contracts since they wont have cap space with the Davis/Holliday/Hill/Moore commitments. New Orleans has to think that

Rondo - Jr. Holliday - Moore - Davis - Thompson
Ju. Holliday - Miller - Mirotic

Is a worthy longterm lineup.