2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 - Merged

[thewraith]

Was just listening to Cole Zwicker on Fastbreak Breakfast and he sounds high on 'healthy' MPJ. Said he was better than Ayton and Bagley in HS. But medical is a big question mark, obviously (Stepien have MPJ #7). Also questioned his feel for the game, which I had mentioned previously.

He wouldn't rule out Orlando taking Bamba at 6 if it comes down to that as well, though obviously Young is the guy he and everyone expects them to take.

Spoke about Bulls, said Young would make our team disastrous defensively, and this is coming from a guy that has Young like 2 or 3 on his board. MPJ a soft landing zone here at 7, but again, he doesn't like the defensive fit alongside Lauri. Spoke highly of Carter and how he'd fit in to Hoiberg's system.

If Cole didn't also mention what Young or MPJ could do on O for this team whats the point? We already know D isn't our strong suit with most of these picks lol.

[WindyCityBorn]

Was just listening to Cole Zwicker on Fastbreak Breakfast and he sounds high on 'healthy' MPJ. Said he was better than Ayton and Bagley in HS. But medical is a big question mark, obviously (Stepien have MPJ #7). Also questioned his feel for the game, which I had mentioned previously.

He wouldn't rule out Orlando taking Bamba at 6 if it comes down to that as well, though obviously Young is the guy he and everyone expects them to take.

Spoke about Bulls, said Young would make our team disastrous defensively, and this is coming from a guy that has Young like 2 or 3 on his board. MPJ a soft landing zone here at 7, but again, he doesn't like the defensive fit alongside Lauri. Spoke highly of Carter and how he'd fit in to Hoiberg's system.

If Cole didn't also mention what Young or MPJ could do on O for this team whats the point? We already know D isn't our strong suit with most of these picks lol.

Only Bamba and JJJ are the only strong defensive players in the top 7 so I'm not even worrying about that. I couldn't care less how Carter fits a system. We need the best player possible. Hoiberg may not even be the coach at the end of this rebuild. Picking for fit is the worst strategy possible when only one player is really penciled in as a long term core piece.

[TheSuzerain]

It's really depressing that Jordan Bell might be a better fit next to Lauri than pretty much all the top bigs in this class except JJJ.

[Jcool0]

It's really depressing that Jordan Bell might be a better fit next to Lauri than pretty much all the top bigs in this class except JJJ.

Why would you be depressed about not having a scrub player?

[TheSuzerain]

It's really depressing that Jordan Bell might be a better fit next to Lauri than pretty much all the top bigs in this class except JJJ.

Why would you be depressed about not having a scrub player?

Right. The rookie getting run in the Western Conference Finals (the de facto NBA finals) is a scrub player.

Keep the good posts coming, man.

[NecessaryEvil]

Ugh, that guy looks like trash right now. You gotta be kidding me.

LOL @ better fit

Pass what you're smoking bro.

[kodo]

It's really depressing that Jordan Bell might be a better fit next to Lauri than pretty much all the top bigs in this class except JJJ.

If you really liked him, you could sign him in FA after next season.

The big reason why 2nd rounders aren't valued by teams who aren't winning anything soon is because they become FAs very quickly with no matching rights, no rookie scale, etc..

Throw a max at him and I'm sure he'll come running back.

[DanTown8587]

It's really depressing that Jordan Bell might be a better fit next to Lauri than pretty much all the top bigs in this class except JJJ.

If you really liked him, you could sign him in FA after next season.

The big reason why 2nd rounders aren't valued by teams who aren't winning anything soon is because they become FAs very quickly with no matching rights, no rookie scale, etc..

Throw a max at him and I'm sure he'll come running back.

This is simply not true and not based on anything. Picks 31-40 (maybe slightly later on a case by case basis) are incredibly valuable because you get a player that you get to sign for dirt cheap for two/three/four years at a low cost who are typically productive and who come in and don't have the fanfare of first round picks but routinely are great players. Jordan Bell is just a solid big who could have signed a contract for literally 10% of what Felicio got.

That type of decision is just horrific both at the time and every day that goes on. And you saying "well they could just sign him" misses the point entirely.

[TheSuzerain]

It's really depressing that Jordan Bell might be a better fit next to Lauri than pretty much all the top bigs in this class except JJJ.

If you really liked him, you could sign him in FA after next season.

The big reason why 2nd rounders aren't valued by teams who aren't winning anything soon is because they become FAs very quickly with no matching rights, no rookie scale, etc..

Throw a max at him and I'm sure he'll come running back.

No. He’s a RFA when he expires.

Also, we could have signed Bell to a 4 year deal. I’m quite certain you can do that with 2nd rounders.

[ThreeMileAllan]

Seeing Capela not get burn and be part of Houstons most effective lineup makes me not excited to draft a Bamba type player. Big, switcjable wings who can score from 3 and attack closeouts. Thats it. Run 5 of those guys and youre golden.



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[nomorezorro]

yeah honestly i've been a "the death of the big man is overblown!" kinda guy, but games like this have to make you think hard about how prudent drafting a center would be

[Leslie Forman]

I would argue that the playoffs are evidence of why you shouldn't be looking at spending major assets to get other big men to pair with Markkanen. You only need one big man on the floor. He is a big man. There you go.

[Jimako10]

Ugh, that guy looks like trash right now. You gotta be kidding me.

LOL @ better fit

Pass what you're smoking bro.

Yea who wouldn't want someone that is athletic, can rebound, finish at the basket, defend the paint and perimeter, along with having a crazy motor while not taking any shots away from Lauri.

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[kulaz3000]

I would argue that the playoffs are evidence of why you shouldn't be looking at spending major assets to get other big men to pair with Markkanen. You only need one big man on the floor. He is a big man. There you go.

We aren't contending or even whiffing at conference finals or finals play in the next 4-5 seasons or longer, and by that time, who knows what transition the league makes in terms of style of play or the next dominate player.

To build your now to match up with the contenders right now, when we are so far away from contending ourselves would be a stupid move to make. Build the team with talent, irregardless of what the rest of the league is doing, and when you do become a playoff team, and feel you can contend, then start to make adjustments to the roster to best maximise your chances.

[biggestbullsfan]

Be interesting to find out what the Bulls think of Simons. Very divisive when you ask people about him. Wouldn't take him at 22 but if you somehow end up with another 20's pick, very interesting upside piece.

Really? He’s the absolute guy i want at 22. Young with high upside. I think he’s a steal there. I’d rather not draft a senior but a guy who can be a spark in the future for years to come.

[Leslie Forman]

I would argue that the playoffs are evidence of why you shouldn't be looking at spending major assets to get other big men to pair with Markkanen. You only need one big man on the floor. He is a big man. There you go.

We aren't contending or even whiffing at conference finals or finals play in the next 4-5 seasons or longer, and by that time, who knows what transition the league makes in terms of style of play or the next dominate player.

To build your now to match up with the contenders right now, when we are so far away from contending ourselves would be a stupid move to make. Build the team with talent, irregardless of what the rest of the league is doing, and when you do become a playoff team, and feel you can contend, then start to make adjustments to the roster to best maximise your chances.

I'm not talking about matching up with the Warriors. I'm talking about what the smartest way to spend your assets when trying to build a team is. And the evidence suggests that spending assets to build up your frontcourt is a dumb idea.

If you get an Anthony Davis or Joel Embiid, sure. Great. Anything less than that? Waste of time IMO. Not worth the post-rookie contract money you're going to have to pay them.

[nomorezorro]

I would argue that the playoffs are evidence of why you shouldn't be looking at spending major assets to get other big men to pair with Markkanen. You only need one big man on the floor. He is a big man. There you go.

i'm not quite ready to write off the idea that lauri needs to play next to a stronger interior defender. but even believing that, unless a prospect is otherworldly, it's easy to make the argument you shouldn't be wasting a top pick on a big that's complementary to lauri

instead, you can hunt for the kind of value mobile bigs that might be undersized and limited offensively but who can switch defensively and roll/dunk. guys you can get in late first/early second territory if you take enough cracks at it. the, i dunno, jordan bells of the world.

[NecessaryEvil]

Ugh, that guy looks like trash right now. You gotta be kidding me.

LOL @ better fit

Pass what you're smoking bro.

Yea who wouldn't want someone that is athletic, can rebound, finish at the basket, defend the paint and perimeter, along with having a crazy motor while not taking any shots away from Lauri.

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he scored 6 pts...6 to go along with 3 rebounds

Sounds like you're describing Draymond Green and not Jordan Bell. You're team isn't going any damn where with Jordan Bell next to Lauri.

Am I next in the cipher? I wanna smoke too

[Leslie Forman]

I would argue that the playoffs are evidence of why you shouldn't be looking at spending major assets to get other big men to pair with Markkanen. You only need one big man on the floor. He is a big man. There you go.

i'm not quite ready to write off the idea that lauri needs to play next to a stronger interior defender. but even believing that, unless a prospect is otherworldly, it's easy to make the argument you shouldn't be wasting a top pick on a big that's complementary to lauri

instead, you can hunt for the kind of value mobile bigs that might be undersized and limited offensively but who can switch defensively and roll/dunk. guys you can get in late first/early second territory if you take enough cracks at it. the, i dunno, jordan bells of the world.

Yeah I'm coming around to the idea that wasting a pick any higher than, IDK, 15 or so on a big man that doesn't project as a genuine two-way future stud is an exercise in futility.

Forget about the Warriors. '90 Bulls. Wings. Wings. WINGS. You can always find random ass Bayneses/Nenes/whatevers for cheap.

I am all for gathering up all the assets (yes, including Lauri) to just take swings at wings. Dunn/LaVine/Denzel ain't good enough and big men that are anything less than generationally good are just salary fillers.

[Jeffster81]

Yeah, count me in the group that isn't losing sleep over the Bulls not keeping Jordan freaking Bell.