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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#201 » by dice » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:20 am

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HoopsterJones wrote:Yup season over. Raiders must be thrilled with all of these losses piling up for the Bears.

Gruden, he was bullied pretty bad by the media etc. Which comes with the territory, yet for Chicago media and fans thinking somehow that OUR FO people knew what they are doing generally, well, they probably don't. The logic of Mack deal was always built on the assumption that Trubisky and Nagy were for real. But at the time Mack deal was made, it always felt like a real gutsy if not desperate move by Pace to self-validate his previous work.

it would have been PALATABLE if trubisky was a year further along in his development (i.e. he had the kind of year he had last year under his belt). then the whole "we gotta go for it while he's still on his rookie deal" would have made some sense. including back-loading mack's contract in years 3-4 of the trubisky era. but trubisky was merely coming off a shaky half a rookie season as a starter. and the coaching staff had just been let go to boot

the mack trade was always a hail mary to generate fan excitement and buy pace additional time after 3 mostly failed seasons as a GM. and when the rest of the defense made a sharp improvement as well much of the credit for THAT was given to mack
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#202 » by Red Larrivee » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:21 am

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What do you think?


No, I don't think you do. That would be the best explanation for your Jordan Howard fixation.


Well do you see jordan howard exponentially outproducing the bears entire offense on his own?
That i can tell you is what im currently watching.


Well yeah, because he's running behind a better offensive line.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#203 » by dice » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:23 am

fleet wrote:They had one drive there, that resembled real offense! So they got that going for them. Which is nice.

they lost no ground in the division, so there's that too...

right now it's looking like avoiding the division basement will be an achievement. lions next week...
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#204 » by Red Larrivee » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:25 am

Overall: When you're starting a QB as awful as Trubisky is, you simply don't have much of a chance to win games. The only reason he's still starting is because Chase Daniel is the backup. Otherwise, he's not a starting caliber QB.

I'm all for moving on this offseason.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#205 » by MeloRoseNoah » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:33 am

Ryan Pace is already planning Marcus Mariota as the Bears starting QB next season. He needs to upgrade the O-line and start taking out the deadwood contracts that he handed on O line bums.

Mariota is licking his chops right now as a potential starting QB instead of Butzsky.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#206 » by bearadonisdna » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:55 am

Red Larrivee wrote:Overall: When you're starting a QB as awful as Trubisky is, you simply don't have much of a chance to win games. The only reason he's still starting is because Chase Daniel is the backup. Otherwise, he's not a starting caliber QB.

I'm all for moving on this offseason.


Qb aint gonna fix this offenses problem. There are many times you can tell a play isnt going work just based on alignment.
Today i saw an offset I formation that looked amateurish as hell.

Theres not 1 qb in this league that would excel in this offense. Not even patrick mahones who struggled vs the lions in his own offense.

Revamping the offensive line seems more important than qb. Maybe the bears are ok at RB who knows.

This team just graded out as an F for the 2nd quarter of the season. The blame transcends mitch by a long mile.
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Post#207 » by MeloRoseNoah » Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:03 am

Trubisky is probably done as a NFL starter after this season.

The dude is dumb as a bag of rocks. The O line will be fixed and Ryan Pace and Naggy better pray on hitting on a FA QB. If that QB flames out, I am all for getting a new GM, coach, and QB after next season.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#208 » by Red Larrivee » Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:05 am

bearadonisdna wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:Overall: When you're starting a QB as awful as Trubisky is, you simply don't have much of a chance to win games. The only reason he's still starting is because Chase Daniel is the backup. Otherwise, he's not a starting caliber QB.

I'm all for moving on this offseason.


Qb aint gonna fix this offenses problem. There are many times you can tell a play isnt going work just based on alignment.
Today i saw an offset I formation that looked amateurish as hell.

Theres not 1 qb in this league that would excel in this offense. Not even patrick mahones who struggled vs the lions in his own offense.

Revamping the offensive line seems more important than qb. Maybe the bears are ok at RB who knows.

This team just graded out as an F for the 2nd quarter of the season. The blame transcends mitch by a long mile.


A good QB makes any situation better. Deshaun Watson hasn't exactly been playing behind a great offensive line in his career and he still produces.

That's not to say that there aren't obvious flaws with Nagy's system, but one of the significant flaws is that Nagy's offense and play calling is built around the fact that he absolutely does not believe in Trubisky.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#209 » by bearadonisdna » Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:20 am

Red Larrivee wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:Overall: When you're starting a QB as awful as Trubisky is, you simply don't have much of a chance to win games. The only reason he's still starting is because Chase Daniel is the backup. Otherwise, he's not a starting caliber QB.

I'm all for moving on this offseason.


Qb aint gonna fix this offenses problem. There are many times you can tell a play isnt going work just based on alignment.
Today i saw an offset I formation that looked amateurish as hell.

Theres not 1 qb in this league that would excel in this offense. Not even patrick mahones who struggled vs the lions in his own offense.

Revamping the offensive line seems more important than qb. Maybe the bears are ok at RB who knows.

This team just graded out as an F for the 2nd quarter of the season. The blame transcends mitch by a long mile.


A good QB makes any situation better. Deshaun Watson hasn't exactly been playing behind a great offensive line in his career and he still produces.

That's not to say that there aren't obvious flaws with Nagy's system, but one of the significant flaws is that Nagy's offense and play calling is built around the fact that he absolutely does not believe in Trubisky.


Tbh the trust issue is something that ive been meaning to address.
Sure nagy deflects blame by citing mitch’s limitations but as a qb but i feel there is a body of work that mitch isnt confortable with what nagy is providing him.

Which is why mitch is gun shy. Reverse jay, doesnt trust the developments in the secondary.
Doesnt trust the run game.
Doesnt trust protection.
Cant really trust his TE.
Cant really trust the midget receivers who before recently had no idea what it meant to get under the ball.

It can go both ways. Trusting nagy is like trusting a politician going back to last season.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#210 » by bullsnewdynasty » Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:49 am

Nagy has his own set of issues but let's get the priorities straight, Mitch had a less than 50% completion and threw for under 100 yards if you look past the one long completion he made. And this is against one of the worst secondaries in the NFL.

Bears FO will give Mitch way more chances than he deserves because they picked him high in the draft, but I've already seen enough to know that he isn't a starting NFL QB. The guy has REGRESSED from last year despite more time, experience, etc. which everyone was using as a crutch for why he wasn't where he needed to be. Still missing simple throws, still throwing uncatchable balls, still playing scared.

This season is basically over. If they wanted to have any chance at the playoffs they would have gone after a Dalton/Fitz at the trade deadline, but that would have involved benching their precious #2 overall pick so they didn't even entertain it.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#211 » by dice » Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:16 am

MeloRoseNoah wrote:Trubisky is probably done as a NFL starter after this season.

The dude is dumb as a bag of rocks.

so he's lavine w/ a helmet?
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#212 » by Mbrahv0528 » Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:24 am

bearadonisdna wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:
Qb aint gonna fix this offenses problem. There are many times you can tell a play isnt going work just based on alignment.
Today i saw an offset I formation that looked amateurish as hell.

Theres not 1 qb in this league that would excel in this offense. Not even patrick mahones who struggled vs the lions in his own offense.

Revamping the offensive line seems more important than qb. Maybe the bears are ok at RB who knows.

This team just graded out as an F for the 2nd quarter of the season. The blame transcends mitch by a long mile.


A good QB makes any situation better. Deshaun Watson hasn't exactly been playing behind a great offensive line in his career and he still produces.

That's not to say that there aren't obvious flaws with Nagy's system, but one of the significant flaws is that Nagy's offense and play calling is built around the fact that he absolutely does not believe in Trubisky.


Tbh the trust issue is something that ive been meaning to address.
Sure nagy deflects blame by citing mitch’s limitations but as a qb but i feel there is a body of work that mitch isnt confortable with what nagy is providing him.

Which is why mitch is gun shy. Reverse jay, doesnt trust the developments in the secondary.
Doesnt trust the run game.
Doesnt trust protection.
Cant really trust his TE.
Cant really trust the midget receivers who before recently had no idea what it meant to get under the ball.

It can go both ways. Trusting nagy is like trusting a politician going back to last season.
Or Mitch is hot garbage? You're over thinking it.

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Post#213 » by dice » Mon Nov 4, 2019 5:32 am

bullsnewdynasty wrote:Nagy has his own set of issues but let's get the priorities straight, Mitch had a less than 50% completion and threw for under 100 yards if you look past the one long completion he made. And this is against one of the worst secondaries in the NFL.

Bears FO will give Mitch way more chances than he deserves because they picked him high in the draft, but I've already seen enough to know that he isn't a starting NFL QB. The guy has REGRESSED from last year despite more time, experience, etc. which everyone was using as a crutch for why he wasn't where he needed to be. Still missing simple throws, still throwing uncatchable balls, still playing scared.

This season is basically over. If they wanted to have any chance at the playoffs they would have gone after a Dalton/Fitz at the trade deadline, but that would have involved benching their precious #2 overall pick so they didn't even entertain it.

career QBRs (prior to today):

52.5 fitz
51.8 dalton
50.0 trubisky
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#214 » by MeloRoseNoah » Mon Nov 4, 2019 6:25 am

Mbrahv0528 wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:
A good QB makes any situation better. Deshaun Watson hasn't exactly been playing behind a great offensive line in his career and he still produces.

That's not to say that there aren't obvious flaws with Nagy's system, but one of the significant flaws is that Nagy's offense and play calling is built around the fact that he absolutely does not believe in Trubisky.


Tbh the trust issue is something that ive been meaning to address.
Sure nagy deflects blame by citing mitch’s limitations but as a qb but i feel there is a body of work that mitch isnt confortable with what nagy is providing him.

Which is why mitch is gun shy. Reverse jay, doesnt trust the developments in the secondary.
Doesnt trust the run game.
Doesnt trust protection.
Cant really trust his TE.
Cant really trust the midget receivers who before recently had no idea what it meant to get under the ball.

It can go both ways. Trusting nagy is like trusting a politician going back to last season.
Or Mitch is hot garbage? You're over thinking it.

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The 49ers went from a bottom 3 NFL team to a top 3 team bc of Jimmy Big GPornstar Garoppolo. Yes, great QB play is that much of a difference. Mitch went from a mildly above average starting QB last year to the worst starting QB this year. His play, his laziness over this offseason, his newly adopted IG account, his girlfriend, and his attempt to increase social media exposure have turned him into a scrub. This season has exposed him as a dimwit that can't read a defense. He's done as a NFL starter after this offseason.

The Bears need to rebuild their entire O-line, get a competent or two good TEs, and get Marcus Mariota. They really need to hit on this upcoming FA Qb. I personally have hope for Nagy as a play caller. But, everything looks like garbage when you have the worst starting QB in the NFL. In fact, I personally don't mind the Bears simulating real hits in practice nowadays to wake up Trubisky.

I always hear about Trubisky killing it in practice. Maybe we should give him real NFL defense on him in practice instead of playing vanilla defense.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#215 » by bullsnewdynasty » Mon Nov 4, 2019 6:45 am

dice wrote:
bullsnewdynasty wrote:Nagy has his own set of issues but let's get the priorities straight, Mitch had a less than 50% completion and threw for under 100 yards if you look past the one long completion he made. And this is against one of the worst secondaries in the NFL.

Bears FO will give Mitch way more chances than he deserves because they picked him high in the draft, but I've already seen enough to know that he isn't a starting NFL QB. The guy has REGRESSED from last year despite more time, experience, etc. which everyone was using as a crutch for why he wasn't where he needed to be. Still missing simple throws, still throwing uncatchable balls, still playing scared.

This season is basically over. If they wanted to have any chance at the playoffs they would have gone after a Dalton/Fitz at the trade deadline, but that would have involved benching their precious #2 overall pick so they didn't even entertain it.

career QBRs (prior to today):

52.5 fitz
51.8 dalton
50.0 trubisky


LMAO, I wonder why you didn't use this season's stats. Probably because Trubisky is sitting in dead last out of 32 starting QB's?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

And according to your stat, Fitz is just as good as Aaron Rodgers this year, so you should be thrilled about him.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#216 » by dice » Mon Nov 4, 2019 8:48 am

bullsnewdynasty wrote:
dice wrote:
bullsnewdynasty wrote:Nagy has his own set of issues but let's get the priorities straight, Mitch had a less than 50% completion and threw for under 100 yards if you look past the one long completion he made. And this is against one of the worst secondaries in the NFL.

Bears FO will give Mitch way more chances than he deserves because they picked him high in the draft, but I've already seen enough to know that he isn't a starting NFL QB. The guy has REGRESSED from last year despite more time, experience, etc. which everyone was using as a crutch for why he wasn't where he needed to be. Still missing simple throws, still throwing uncatchable balls, still playing scared.

This season is basically over. If they wanted to have any chance at the playoffs they would have gone after a Dalton/Fitz at the trade deadline, but that would have involved benching their precious #2 overall pick so they didn't even entertain it.

career QBRs (prior to today):

52.5 fitz
51.8 dalton
50.0 trubisky


LMAO, I wonder why you didn't use this season's stats. Probably because Trubisky is sitting in dead last out of 32 starting QB's?

first of all, i can't take anyone seriously who uses 'LMAO'. secondly, i used career numbers because it's a much bigger sample that controls better for the production of, you know, the other 10 guys on the offensive side of the ball. finally, i wonder why you didn't mention that dalton is also bottom of the barrel this season. hmmm...

And according to your stat, Fitz is just as good as Aaron Rodgers this year, so you should be thrilled about him.

no, because, you see...sample size. which is why i used the damn career numbers!
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Post#217 » by dougthonus » Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:03 pm

dice wrote:no, because, you see...sample size. which is why i used the damn career numbers!


Most recent data is far more useful than total data in most cases. Career stats are rarely useful when projecting future performance compared to season stats or some rolling period of time.

In Mitch's case, teams now know to watch out for the run and have taken that way from him and he has never recovered. His last year numbers when he took teams by surprise probably aren't easily obtainable again.

Dalton and Fitz could have very skewed career numbers, I would think with Fitz his career numbers would tend to overstate him since he's 36 and probably on the decline. With Dalton that may or may not be true.

Either way, the Bears sure look like they need a franchise QB still. They are probably better off finding out that Trubisky isn't that guy prior to extending him rather than finding out he's not that guy after extending him, but it means they don't have a clear path either.
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Post#218 » by ATRAIN53 » Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:16 pm

Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan or maybe Eli.

These are the only vet QB out there I think can be had that could take advantage of this Bears Defense the next 2 years.
All would benefit form change of scenery, they have been in big playoff games.

We missed that window to take advantage of the rookie QB contract to spend and build on D
We spent on D but we have no offense.

Gotta bring in one of those guys, protect them and pray.

Mack has maybe 2 more elite years, after that his contract kills us.
No time to develop a QB in that time now.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#219 » by MeloRoseNoah » Mon Nov 4, 2019 7:35 pm

ATRAIN53 wrote:Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan or maybe Eli.

These are the only vet QB out there I think can be had that could take advantage of this Bears Defense the next 2 years.
All would benefit form change of scenery, they have been in big playoff games.

We missed that window to take advantage of the rookie QB contract to spend and build on D
We spent on D but we have no offense.

Gotta bring in one of those guys, protect them and pray.

Mack has maybe 2 more elite years, after that his contract kills us.
No time to develop a QB in that time now.


This team is in extreme trouble. They have too much money locked in deadbeats like Leno, Massie, and Burton. It's still salvageable since they haven't extended that bust Trubisky to 25-30 mil/yr. Thank the football Jesus for exposing this fraud.

Right now, the best bet is to strike gold in a Drew Brees in FA or luck into a Tom Brady in the draft. The chances of that happening are meniscal, but it's better than this current bum at QB. Either way, it's very likely that Nagy and Pace will be fired after next season.

Personally, I will not let Pace mortgage our draft picks in order to draft another QB. He has his chance of two top ten draft picks and picked busts for both of them in Kevin White and Trubisky. The scout who had vouched for She-Teen needs to be fired on the spot.

The only bright spot on offense for this team is David Montgomery. They need to build around him first by building an O-line. Afterward, if the FA QB is a bust, the new GM can draft his QB and hire his own coach.
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Post#220 » by dougthonus » Mon Nov 4, 2019 8:41 pm

ATRAIN53 wrote:Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan or maybe Eli.

These are the only vet QB out there I think can be had that could take advantage of this Bears Defense the next 2 years.
All would benefit form change of scenery, they have been in big playoff games.

We missed that window to take advantage of the rookie QB contract to spend and build on D
We spent on D but we have no offense.

Gotta bring in one of those guys, protect them and pray.

Mack has maybe 2 more elite years, after that his contract kills us.
No time to develop a QB in that time now.


Eli has never been all that good. He's had some special playoff runs twice, but he's never been a consistently good QB. Drew Brees and Tom Brady are two other FAs as is Tony Bridgewater. One of Bridgewater or Brees is probably leaving the Saints this off-season since they are both FAs.

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