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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#201 » by dice » Wed Jul 8, 2020 12:01 am

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dice wrote:trump administration considering deporting international students whose colleges choose online instruction in the fall



1 Million international students here.

They pay 3 times the State tuition fee, rent out apartments here and then end up as being an overall plus to the GDP.

This doesnt even begin to reconcile the fact that most of these folks have spent their family's lifetime savings to just come here to study.

Not to mention that all of these students could potentially be taking back COVID to places they are from - because Trump's response to Covid has been stellar here.

Stephen Miller and Trump are in full flow.

Lets write in Bernie or sit out this election. Or vote for Biden in a lukewarm fashion :noway:

i suspect that it's a political ploy rather than a stephen miller-driven ideological consideration. it pressures "bleeding heart liberal" college administrations to hold in-person classes. both morally and financially. trump just said publicly that he thinks schools are talking about staying closed to make him look bad
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#202 » by dice » Wed Jul 8, 2020 12:11 am

mcconnell saying that birther party is consulting with the white house on a proposed 2nd and final round of COVID-19 relief legislation. they want it to be as little as $1 tril, whereas the dems passed a $3.5 tril bill at the end of may. the last package was $2.2 tril. my educated estimate on final amount for this one is $1.9 tril
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#203 » by dice » Wed Jul 8, 2020 1:06 am

projected economic contractions this year:

4.5% sweden
4.1% denmark
3.9% norway

in an effort to spare their economy, sweden did not lock down. their death rate is 10x that of their neighbors
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#204 » by PlayerUp » Wed Jul 8, 2020 1:46 pm

dice wrote:obama left office with an approval rating of 57%. the people wanted him to make that supreme court pick. and, of course, the people picked hillary over the donald as well. trump got to make the pick. and another one. he has NEVER had 50% approval, topping out at 49%. every other president since FDR has had at least 66% approval at some point


Would be a slam dunk win if the democratic party didn't go with Joe Biden. Saw this snippet on Twitter earlier what Kanye West said today:

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The energy is just not there with Biden. Nobody here would pick Biden over Obama. I do hope both parties approach things differently in 2024, 2028 and go with better younger candidates that can bring congress together, a real problem solver and one that the country will actually respect.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#205 » by ATRAIN53 » Wed Jul 8, 2020 2:07 pm

We noticed my kid seemed kind sick on Wednesday, then Thursday my wife also exhibited some sickness. So something was in the house.....

I did one of those drive in testing last Friday.

It's drive up. Takes like an hour of waiting and they give you a kit and tell you what to do and then you swab yourself while they watch.
Took 4 days to get the call.

My company has been making me work 2 days a week downtown so I figured I caught it.
Luckily I tested negative-

but it still makes you think how easily this spreads and how paranoid you get thinking you may have brought it home.

That's my biggest fear - bringing it home and killing my wife or kid with it.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#206 » by MrSparkle » Wed Jul 8, 2020 2:20 pm

PlayerUp wrote:
dice wrote:obama left office with an approval rating of 57%. the people wanted him to make that supreme court pick. and, of course, the people picked hillary over the donald as well. trump got to make the pick. and another one. he has NEVER had 50% approval, topping out at 49%. every other president since FDR has had at least 66% approval at some point


Would be a slam dunk win if the democratic party didn't go with Joe Biden. Saw this snippet on Twitter earlier what Kanye West said today:

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The energy is just not there with Biden. Nobody here would pick Biden over Obama. I do hope both parties approach things differently in 2024, 2028 and go with better younger candidates that can bring congress together, a real problem solver and one that the country will actually respect.


Well in regards to what Kanye said...

I don’t really need my president to be “special.” Clinton was an adulterer and narcissist. “Special“ alright. Most normal, Good people aren’t like that.

I’d argue that Obama was just about as plain and straight-up a guy from humble beginnings we’ve ever had in the office. He wasn’t “special.” I’ve known many strong folks who remind me of Obama’s virtues. It’s just a 1-wife/2-kids family guy with a work ethic and strong leadership skills, and an open mind and ability to extend an olive branch.

Trump is a lying sociopath in the same grade as Castro, Kim and Bolsonaro who needs/needed mental therapy.

Kanye has demonstrated mental instability for over 10 years - he needs therapy.

How about we stop having mental cases make policy decisions? This isn’t supposed to be entertainment or a roller coaster ride. I’m A-OK with a stable economy and trying to improve broken communities. Don’t need to have a circus led by a pompous prick who I can’t imagine ever entrusting my life to, who can’t get through an interview without embarrassing themselves and offending an entire sector.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#207 » by PlayerUp » Wed Jul 8, 2020 3:41 pm

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PlayerUp wrote:
dice wrote:obama left office with an approval rating of 57%. the people wanted him to make that supreme court pick. and, of course, the people picked hillary over the donald as well. trump got to make the pick. and another one. he has NEVER had 50% approval, topping out at 49%. every other president since FDR has had at least 66% approval at some point


Would be a slam dunk win if the democratic party didn't go with Joe Biden. Saw this snippet on Twitter earlier what Kanye West said today:

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The energy is just not there with Biden. Nobody here would pick Biden over Obama. I do hope both parties approach things differently in 2024, 2028 and go with better younger candidates that can bring congress together, a real problem solver and one that the country will actually respect.


Well in regards to what Kanye said...

I don’t really need my president to be “special.” Clinton was an adulterer and narcissist. “Special“ alright. Most normal, Good people aren’t like that.

I’d argue that Obama was just about as plain and straight-up a guy from humble beginnings we’ve ever had in the office. He wasn’t “special.” I’ve known many strong folks who remind me of Obama’s virtues. It’s just a 1-wife/2-kids family guy with a work ethic and strong leadership skills, and an open mind and ability to extend an olive branch.

Trump is a lying sociopath in the same grade as Castro, Kim and Bolsonaro who needs/needed mental therapy.

Kanye has demonstrated mental instability for over 10 years - he needs therapy.

How about we stop having mental cases make policy decisions? This isn’t supposed to be entertainment or a roller coaster ride. I’m A-OK with a stable economy and trying to improve broken communities. Don’t need to have a circus led by a pompous prick who I can’t imagine ever entrusting my life to, who can’t get through an interview without embarrassing themselves and offending an entire sector.


It's not just Kanye, it's most of America. Here is another article just released a couple hours ago:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/08/joe-biden-young-black-voters-say-not-excited-candidate/5344135002/

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Here is another poll

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There is a reason Michael Bloomberg jumped into the race because he thought Joe Biden wasn't a good candidate. He eventually realized nobody wanted him and swung Biden.

Point here is America needs a well respected president, right now more than ever that can retool and rebuild this country and slowly put it back together. Biden isn't that. He is too old and not even mentally with it anymore.

I'm tired of bad politicians in office.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#208 » by Ccwatercraft » Wed Jul 8, 2020 4:02 pm

PlayerUp wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:
PlayerUp wrote:
Would be a slam dunk win if the democratic party didn't go with Joe Biden. Saw this snippet on Twitter earlier what Kanye West said today:

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The energy is just not there with Biden. Nobody here would pick Biden over Obama. I do hope both parties approach things differently in 2024, 2028 and go with better younger candidates that can bring congress together, a real problem solver and one that the country will actually respect.


Well in regards to what Kanye said...

I don’t really need my president to be “special.” Clinton was an adulterer and narcissist. “Special“ alright. Most normal, Good people aren’t like that.

I’d argue that Obama was just about as plain and straight-up a guy from humble beginnings we’ve ever had in the office. He wasn’t “special.” I’ve known many strong folks who remind me of Obama’s virtues. It’s just a 1-wife/2-kids family guy with a work ethic and strong leadership skills, and an open mind and ability to extend an olive branch.

Trump is a lying sociopath in the same grade as Castro, Kim and Bolsonaro who needs/needed mental therapy.

Kanye has demonstrated mental instability for over 10 years - he needs therapy.

How about we stop having mental cases make policy decisions? This isn’t supposed to be entertainment or a roller coaster ride. I’m A-OK with a stable economy and trying to improve broken communities. Don’t need to have a circus led by a pompous prick who I can’t imagine ever entrusting my life to, who can’t get through an interview without embarrassing themselves and offending an entire sector.


It's not just Kanye, it's most of America. Here is another article just released a couple hours ago:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/08/joe-biden-young-black-voters-say-not-excited-candidate/5344135002/

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Here is another poll

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There is a reason Michael Bloomberg jumped into the race because he thought Joe Biden wasn't a good candidate. He eventually realized nobody wanted him and swung Biden.

Point here is America needs a well respected president, right now more than ever that can retool and rebuild this country and slowly put it back together. Biden isn't that. He is too old and not even mentally with it anymore.

I'm tired of bad politicians in office.


Bloomberg looks better now than ever if there was a vote today. But then again the cop from paw patrol doesnt sound terrible, and I think hes looking for work right now.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#209 » by DuckIII » Wed Jul 8, 2020 4:09 pm

The energy - also known as votes - for Biden comes from Trump’s weak handling of COVID and his poorly received reaction to rapidly escalating racial tensions.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#210 » by PlayerUp » Wed Jul 8, 2020 4:09 pm

Ccwatercraft wrote:Bloomberg looks better now than ever if there was a vote today.


Well I wanted Yang but the democratic party didn't want him. Bloomberg started too late. I agree Bloomberg is a far better candidate but also not what we need. Ironically both Bernie and Bloomberg are older than Biden but aren't showing signs of mental decline.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#211 » by dice » Wed Jul 8, 2020 10:31 pm

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Ccwatercraft wrote:Bloomberg looks better now than ever if there was a vote today.


Well I wanted Yang but the democratic party didn't want him. Bloomberg started too late. I agree Bloomberg is a far better candidate but also not what we need. Ironically both Bernie and Bloomberg are older than Biden but aren't showing signs of mental decline.

i'm sure that yang would make a fine president. he's just too much of a wildcard as someone new to the game. and his primary policy proposal (which i love) had no shot of being implemented. his campaign was a gimmick presumably designed to build his name recognition

obama was a relatively exciting candidate, but that didn't get him very far once he was in office. the only reason he got anything significant accomplished was his pragmatism. if anything he was TOO willing to compromise. but his steady hand got us through the great recession and his personal experience with his mother's health issues inspired him to make a huge political sacrifice in order to secure major health care reform. most democratic presidents would have gotten nothing done. and no republican since nixon has even tried

clinton was also a comparatively exciting candidate. but his somewhat ambitious health care plan, spearheaded by his wife, didn't get very far. and he became the ultimate triangulator. but he, like obama, at least didn't do anything to screw up the economy

competence is a baseline requirement for a president. and each of the last two birther party presidents have failed spectacularly on that end. we don't need trust fund kids/failed businessmen with virtually zero governing experience pretending to be populist outsiders (trump, bush). we don't need sociopathic, race-baiting, attention craving twitter troll game show hosts (trump). we don't need a president who takes a daily afternoon nap (bush) or doesn't emerge from his residence until mid-day (trump). we don't need executives who don't surround themselves with competence and fire everyone with a different perspective (trump). we don't need puppets who take their marching orders from destructive ideologues (bush). most of all, we don't need a president who doesn't like to read and is severely lacking in intellectual curiosity (bush, trump). one who ****s the bed when confronted with extraordinary adversity (bush 9/11 and katrina, trump COVID-19) or miserably fails to show leadership in the face of social unrest (trump)

it's quite ironic that bush's failures came in large part from listening to john bolton while trump's have come in part from not listening to john bolton

biden ain't exciting. but he's competent. and that makes him a ginormous step up from the status quo. i think this idea that it would have been a "slam dunk" had the democrats put up anyone else is off-the-mark. primary voters chose biden over everyone else in the most diverse field of candidates ever. and it wasn't particularly close. and electability was surely part of that. the enthusiasm to get rid of trump from the base would have been there regardless. and someone like sanders or warren may well have turned off swing voters. a stuffed shirt may well be the ideal candidate to take down trump by allowing him to hang himself. and that's exactly what has happened so far - biden has stayed largely in the shadows and trump's incompetence has thus been magnified
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#212 » by dice » Wed Jul 8, 2020 11:45 pm

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#213 » by DuckIII » Thu Jul 9, 2020 12:19 am

Good grief. Thanks dipsticks! Hope you enjoyed your “freedom.” I’ll be thinking of how you helped screw my kids out of multiple sports seasons of their youth that they can never get back. You **** fake patriot idiots.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#214 » by _txchilibowl_ » Thu Jul 9, 2020 12:33 am

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What a disgusting graph.... shameful really.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#215 » by DuckIII » Thu Jul 9, 2020 2:43 am

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What a disgusting graph.... shameful really.


And so totally unsurprising.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#216 » by Dan Z » Thu Jul 9, 2020 4:37 am

ATRAIN53 wrote:We noticed my kid seemed kind sick on Wednesday, then Thursday my wife also exhibited some sickness. So something was in the house.....

I did one of those drive in testing last Friday.

It's drive up. Takes like an hour of waiting and they give you a kit and tell you what to do and then you swab yourself while they watch.
Took 4 days to get the call.

My company has been making me work 2 days a week downtown so I figured I caught it.
Luckily I tested negative-

but it still makes you think how easily this spreads and how paranoid you get thinking you may have brought it home.

That's my biggest fear - bringing it home and killing my wife or kid with it.


Scary stuff. I'm glad to hear that you tested negative and that you and your family are okay.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#217 » by TheEndIsNigh » Thu Jul 9, 2020 4:59 am

Enthusiasm does not equal electability. Enthusiasm is the kind of narrative a rag like Fox News starts pushing when literally every other metric looks terrible for your candidate. The turn out in the Dem primaries has been large, in the midst of a pandemic no less. So what if they aren't enthusiastic about Biden? People are voting for him in high numbers. This isn't an election cycle where disruptive candidates are going to thrive. This is an election cycle where most of the electorate yearns for the re-establsihments of norms in government. Where revitalization of institutional democracy will be prioritized. That said, I don't think people understand just how badly Trump and his swamp monsters have destroyed or institutions from within. The utter lack of transparency, cooperation and accountability shown by this administration is absolutely mind boggling. I believe that once a responsible party is allowed to audit the actions of this administration we will see that the scandals that have made it into public view are just the tip of the ice berg.

So enthusiasm about Joe Biden as a candidate means little in my view when people want experience and stability in government in order to attempt to tackle some pretty monstrous problems.
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Post#218 » by TheStig » Thu Jul 9, 2020 5:40 am

DuckIII wrote:The energy - also known as votes - for Biden comes from Trump’s weak handling of COVID and his poorly received reaction to rapidly escalating racial tensions.

I agree that Trump has handled this poorly but do we really believe that Biden would have done much better? Luckily for him there is a much better basement in the White House for him to hang out in....... Biden just doesn't instill confidence of him tackling major issues.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#219 » by TheEndIsNigh » Thu Jul 9, 2020 5:57 am

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DuckIII wrote:The energy - also known as votes - for Biden comes from Trump’s weak handling of COVID and his poorly received reaction to rapidly escalating racial tensions.

I agree that Trump has handled this poorly but do we really believe that Biden would have done much better? Luckily for him there is a much better basement in the White House for him to hang out in....... Biden just doesn't instill confidence of him tackling major issues.


Yes, absolutely. I am 100% confident Biden would have done a better job. Why? Because he would have listened to the advice of Dr. Fauci and other specialists who the Trump administration has been marginalizing for fear of the response causing an economic downturn which would deflate his ego and risk his re-election. Biden would have actually taken steps to maximize public health instead of eschew for the sake of the stock market.

Other countries are having much greater success preventing the spread of carona virus than we are. Why is that? Because they are putting human lives ahead of economic concerns.

The formula is really pretty simple.

1. Lock down and flatten the curve.
2. Implement aggressive testing policies.
3. Quarantine and contact trace anyone who tests positive
4. Wear masks

It's really not that difficult. Unfortunately we have a conspirqcy theorist in the White House who views this as a liberal plot to undermine his re-election chances. The democrats don't suffer from deep seeded anti-intelectualism, and therefore would take the necessary steps as dictated by experts to do what is necessary to suppress the spread of the virus.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#220 » by RedBulls23 » Thu Jul 9, 2020 9:01 am

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DuckIII wrote:The energy - also known as votes - for Biden comes from Trump’s weak handling of COVID and his poorly received reaction to rapidly escalating racial tensions.

I agree that Trump has handled this poorly but do we really believe that Biden would have done much better? Luckily for him there is a much better basement in the White House for him to hang out in....... Biden just doesn't instill confidence of him tackling major issues.

Yeah Biden would have handled this better. I'm not a fan of Biden by any means, but he wouldn't have acted like the virus didn't exist and continously say it would just disappear. He'd actually listen to the medical professionals from the get go, wouldn't push conspiracy theories, and promote wearing masks. He wouldn't have sat on the information for months before even attempting to do anything about it.

Hell even before this started he wouldn't have made cuts to the cdc that handles infectious diseases.

There's absolutely no doubt Biden would have handled this better.
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