DuckIII wrote:Alright, I'll do this again.
Infinity2152 wrote:I don't think some know what build through the draft means. We have like 3 young lottery players starting. The point of building through the draft is to have 4-5 talented young players.
Straw man. Or strawman! No one in the history of the world has every seed "the reason to rebuild through the draft is to have 4-5 talented players." The reason to rebuild through the draft is because it is a unique opportunity to get a legitimate franchise player. Or even more than one.
This importance of this distinction to illustrating your latest in a constant flow of intellectually dishonest recharacteraizations of points actually made follows:
Coby White (25), #7 pick and he's young. Patrick Williams (23) #4 pick and he's young. Josh Giddey (22). Matas Buzelis (20) #11 pick. You might not like Pat, but he's clearly a high pick. Other Bulls draft picks on the team, Dalen Terry, Julian Phillips, Ayo Dosunmu, most of the team is very young players and recent draft picks. Literally half the team has been drafted in the last 4-5 years. And we're adding a lottery pick this year.
Yes. Your straw man that the Bulls "built through the draft" is on full display. When people talk about rebuilding through the draft, they are not talking about having a bunch of mid and late lottery picks, late first round picks, and second round picks that aren't superstar talents. No one - no one at all - wants to be young just to be young. They want to be young as a path to get elite talent. The whole roster could be 19 years old and it would not mean anything to whether or not the Bulls have properly used the draft under AK to build the way
people actually advocate that it be done rather than the made up reasons you create and then knock down. You're not talking about building through the draft.
When I'm actually talking about that, it is. But we aren't doing a tank-based draft rebuild. We just happen to have draft picks that we've used when the clock started ticking on our selection.
We already have a ton of recently drafted players. They're obsessed with the only way to get a superstar is through the draft.
Straw man, one of your favorites. That fans who advocate draft based rebuilds believe its "the only way to get a superstar." Its about likelihoods, not certainties, which has been pointed out to you maybe a hundred times and yet - straw man. As always.
Most of them wanted to trade our young talent Giddey and Coby, to "build through the draft", ie, replacing young players with younger players.
Giddey had some haters early on. But I don't see a board where "most" want to trade Giddey and Coby. Though for me its certainly an option depending on what the trade offers are and what they expect to be paid. But again, these are sliding scale issues not absolutes so, straw man.
You can't build anything if you don't want to pay the players you drafted. Nothing but complaints about all their contracts (Giddey, Coby, Pat) but you want to build thru the draft, lol.
So, I don't want to build through the draft. I did want to, but AK already blew that opportunity years ago and now we find ourselves in a different situation. So not really a straw man, just a lie about about someone's opinion.
And yes you can build by not paying your young players. Often times paying your young players is a crippling mistake. Not sure how crippling it will be, put hard to say Pat's contract doesn't like like a hell of a mistake today. You have to acquire, and then pay, the right players. And if you don't have the right players, you need to let the wrong ones go and keep searching.
Want to get rid of Terry and Phillips too, literally want to build thru the draft by getting rid of our recent draftees.
Again, the fate of late first round and second round picks like these guys have nothing to do with what people are actually talking about when talking about building through the draft. Building through the draft means positioning yourself to get very, very high picks.
Then after AK gets rid of all young drafted players, he doesn't believe in building through the draft. Even though he keeps giving our young draft picks contracts.
I'm not sure how many times you can use this same straw man in the same post, but this is not what building through the draft means except in the fake definition you've given it to burn down your straw man.
Little doubt when he was hired, it was to turn the Bulls into an immediate contender around Zach. Which is pretty tough. No way he makes the moves he makes if the organization wanted to "build through the draft" and tank at that point with Lavine.
How'd you crack that mystery? Was it because he publicly told us he intended to rebuild as fast as possible, never see the lottery again, and then immediately started doing just that his very first full year on the job?
I can do this with every transparently intellectually dishonest post you write. That I often chose to do so with a one liner is because doing this instead is time consuming, boring, and won't change anything about the same tired old sad sack crap you write on this subject every day.
Because as you know, that's not how we thought until quite recently.
