2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

[Guru]

With the versatility of Buz and Giddey we can pretty much pick the best player who drops. Thats a great place to be.

However, with Giddeys and Whites defense I'd lean towards someone who was at least an average defender.

[drosestruts]

Any Euro Hoops fans able to fill me in about Joan Beringer?

Dosn't play much which isn't abnormal for young players in the Euroleague. Stats aren't really eye popping.

When watching his highlights though - I really like just how fluid and athletic he looks. A lot of big men often look awkward with their movements, he seems very fluid, looks to have good bounce and good hand eye coordination.

He'll sprint up the court, grab a pass on the move, and gets up quick for his finishes.

Sticks with guards on switches, looks to have great shot blocking instincts.

Again it's more how he looks than anything showing up in the stat sheet. Curious if any Eruoleague watchers have any additional insights on him?

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I can't think of a player i want less. Not athletic enough. Not a good enough shooter. Not a good enough passer. Johnny Davis, Denzel Washington vibes.

Jase shot 41% from 3 and 83% from the line. Davis shot 30% from 3 and 79% from in the line in his predraft season.

Jase got 89 shots at the rim and 122 free throw attempts. These numbers are higher than anything Denzel got in 4 collegiate seasons, and Jase is only 18 years old. Jase has 5 dunks as a 6'1/6'2 freshman, and Denzel had the same amount as a senior. Denzel was unique, you rarely see an athlete as bad as him make it to the NBA.

Good luck to Jase. I hope he applies his trade well for some other team. I see a guy with no juice off the dribble, with below average length and athleticism for a wing. Not a good enough off the bounce to play guard, not big or athletic enough to play wing. He needs to be a lights out shooter to contribute. He can be someone else's project. The upside isn't there for me in the top 20. I actually wouldn't give him a 1st round grade. There are 20 guys like him every draft.

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These are huge red flags to me.

[Jcool0]

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These are huge red flags to me.

Depends what your expectations are. If you need a #1 guy you might not like what Kon brings. If you want Kevin Heurter 2.0 (In his last 20 games Bulls are 15-5 w/him averaging 15/3/3 with an +/- of +9) you will love this kid on your team.

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These are huge red flags to me.

Depends what your expectations are. If you need a #1 guy you might not like what Kon brings. If you want Kevin Heurter 2.0 (In his last 20 games Bulls are 15-5 w/him averaging 15/3/3 with an +/- of +9) you will love this kid on your team.

Kevin Huerter has played on 3 teams in the last 5 years. I don't think he projects to be anywhere near the defender that Huerter is which was Huerter's appeal coming out of college - a guy who can shoot 3s and defend wings and guards. He's like Huerter without the defense.

I just would go with higher upside pick where the Bulls are going to likely be. In that 12-15 to range I think guys likes CMB, Denim and Sorber have higher upside. (The irony of this is Kon will almost definitely be gone by the time Bulls pick according to most mocks I've seen.)

[Jcool0]

These are huge red flags to me.

Depends what your expectations are. If you need a #1 guy you might not like what Kon brings. If you want Kevin Heurter 2.0 (In his last 20 games Bulls are 15-5 w/him averaging 15/3/3 with an +/- of +9) you will love this kid on your team.

Kevin Huerter has played on 3 teams in the last 5 years. I don't think he projects to be anywhere near the defender that Huerter is which was Huerter's appeal coming out of college - a guy who can shoot 3s and defend wings and guards. He's like Huerter without the defense.

I just would go with higher upside pick where the Bulls are going to likely be. In that 12-15 to range I think guys likes CMB, Denim and Sorber have higher upside. (The irony of this is Kon will almost definitely be gone by the time Bulls pick according to most mocks I've seen.)

Huerter was never seen as a 3-D guy coming out of college. He was an average athlete with a neutral wingspan. FWIW Huerter signed a four-year, $65 million deal in Atlanta and got traded for cap reasons & Atlanta wanted a 1st round pick (they didn't control there's in 25, 26 or 27). He played well his 1st season in Sac with 15/3/3 but something wasn't working the last two seasons. Obviously wasn't talent with how he is playing in Chicago.

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[sco]

Any Euro Hoops fans able to fill me in about Joan Beringer?

Dosn't play much which isn't abnormal for young players in the Euroleague. Stats aren't really eye popping.

When watching his highlights though - I really like just how fluid and athletic he looks. A lot of big men often look awkward with their movements, he seems very fluid, looks to have good bounce and good hand eye coordination.

He'll sprint up the court, grab a pass on the move, and gets up quick for his finishes.

Sticks with guards on switches, looks to have great shot blocking instincts.

Again it's more how he looks than anything showing up in the stat sheet. Curious if any Eruoleague watchers have any additional insights on him?

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Thanks. I love his ability to get out and cover guys on the perimeter.

[Bulls Fan 23]

Yanic
Konan Niederhauser

Athletic rim running, shot blocking center. If he stays in the draft. We can grab him with our second round pick.

[sco]

Yanic
Konan Niederhauser

Athletic rim running, shot blocking center. If he stays in the draft. We can grab him with our second round pick.

Given our roster size constraint. I wonder what we'll do with our 2nd. I'd be fine using it in trade to dump one of our guys and free-up salary and a roster spot.

[WindyCityBorn]

Yanic
Konan Niederhauser

Athletic rim running, shot blocking center. If he stays in the draft. We can grab him with our second round pick.

Given our roster size constraint. I wonder what we'll do with our 2nd. I'd be fine using it in trade to dump one of our guys and free-up salary and a roster spot.

Don’t see a 2nd round pick making our active roster for sure. Only a possible two way players.

[pipfan]

Any Euro Hoops fans able to fill me in about Joan Beringer?

Dosn't play much which isn't abnormal for young players in the Euroleague. Stats aren't really eye popping.

When watching his highlights though - I really like just how fluid and athletic he looks. A lot of big men often look awkward with their movements, he seems very fluid, looks to have good bounce and good hand eye coordination.

He'll sprint up the court, grab a pass on the move, and gets up quick for his finishes.

Sticks with guards on switches, looks to have great shot blocking instincts.

Again it's more how he looks than anything showing up in the stat sheet. Curious if any Eruoleague watchers have any additional insights on him?

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Thanks. I love his ability to get out and cover guys on the perimeter.

Looks pretty good-he moves well
I'd love to grab a 2nd 1st somehow-lots of interesting bigs (Sorber, Wolf, Fleming and now this guy)

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He had a high offensive rebound percentage during the season - top 10 in the NCAAs… but the 2nd post about some guy’s website and stats is meaningless. Especially when considering that he averaged 1.2 ORB per game over 5 games in the tourney, or 1.5 per game over the first 4 … yet that is somehow translated into 99th percentile or video game score or whatever that number is supposed to mean. Even worse on defensive rebounds, where he averaged just over 6 per game over the first 4, or 5 per game over all 4 in the tourney … compared to a guy like Toppin who had 10 rpg, over 3 of which would be Orb. And can look at plenty of other guys in tourney that were similar.

The stats don’t tell you much. It’s the potential.

Why are you posting stats then??????? do better.

You were the one who raised numbers. I showed that the numbers largely don’t provide any basis for significant optimism in Maluach - that the numbers that you pointed out, in context, show very little or are themselves without opaque ratings lacking obvious basis when compared to other players’ production.

But, trying to have a decent discussion, I also noted that you can like Maluach as a prospect due to his size and movement skills - despite the red flags that his numbers don’t match the physical gifts. Where you could not tolerate anyone having concerns about that.

That is why I mentioned numbers - but you give a bad faith response - “why mention numbers, do better” - the baseless pretense that you are in any position to say “do better” or otherwise in a position to judge. A sophisticated version of taunting, a la “it’s ok to admit that you are wrong or “that’s just bizarre” or emojis.

It would be nice if you and a few others showed the ability to have reasonable conversations; but for some people whose instinct is trolling, that’s asking too much.

[Rose2Boozer]

Carter Byrant vs. Adou Thiero vs. Liam McNeeley

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These are huge red flags to me.

Kid is flat footed and hunched over on every defensive possession. On top of that he lacks any lateral quickness to make up for it. I really hate him as a prospect. Seems like a poor man's McDermott all over again.

[Jvaughn]

Carter Byrant vs. Adou Thiero vs. Liam McNeeley

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I didn't watch a ton of AZ games this year. Why were Bryant's minutes so low? He looks like a baller.

[Guru]

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I didn't watch a ton of AZ games this year. Why were Bryant's minutes so low? He looks like a baller.

Its strange because you watch those highlights and you can't help but be excited but we all know what happened with PWill. Is that what we want?

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I mentioned Markovic earlier, and with so many players returning to college, he seems like the best bet in the 2nd round. You can watch full games on ABA's youtube channel.

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[WesPeace]

Any Euro Hoops fans able to fill me in about Joan Beringer?

Dosn't play much which isn't abnormal for young players in the Euroleague. Stats aren't really eye popping.

When watching his highlights though - I really like just how fluid and athletic he looks. A lot of big men often look awkward with their movements, he seems very fluid, looks to have good bounce and good hand eye coordination.

He'll sprint up the court, grab a pass on the move, and gets up quick for his finishes.

Sticks with guards on switches, looks to have great shot blocking instincts.

Again it's more how he looks than anything showing up in the stat sheet. Curious if any Eruoleague watchers have any additional insights on him?

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I love the kid,said it couple of times.. he actually played some games a lot, not just European Cup but also ABA league. Those leagues are pretty solid and he just turned 18 few months ago and had to play vs grown man, some hard nosed centers. He was bought by Olimpija to play for junior team, but coach needed only 3 training sessions and he was included to senior team.

He is very mobile, solid skills, very good instincts, high BB IQ, good defender already for his age.. I think he started playing basketball pretty late, few years ago.