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2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2121 » by BullsSD » Yesterday 11:46 pm

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ThisGuyFawkes wrote:We still have 2 weeks until the draft??? Can we just draft a player already so I can talk myself into them?


And then rabidly turn on them before Easter.


In our defense, nobody reasonable turned on Matas? Lol. :lol:
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2122 » by DuckIII » Yesterday 11:47 pm

drosestruts wrote:All the Euro guys measuring well. Saraf's measurements in now too

6'6" barefoot, 200 pounds, 6'8,75" wingspan, 8'4" standing reach, 9.5" hand-size

Easily 6'7" in shoes will help Saraf's value tremendously. Long arms and big hands too.


Someone’s going to really like having him. If theoretically we traded down to get two firsts, or traded to add a second first, he would almost certainly be one of the two I would want. Assuming the other was not also a guard.

That said, and to be clear, I am strongly opposed to trading down for two picks in this draft. Hate it. Trading to add a second first though? I’d love that.

I think this is a terrific draft.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2123 » by VolumePoster » Yesterday 11:48 pm

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Think he goes 8 to BKN.

Dude is 6’11 in shoes and could still be growing.

He has great hands. Unlike Pat. His hands are like Velcro. Catches everything.


Exactly. Watching him, I knew he wasn’t 6’9. He could end up in the Giannis category of outliers, just in terms of length and coordination.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2124 » by VolumePoster » Yesterday 11:49 pm

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drosestruts wrote:All the Euro guys measuring well. Saraf's measurements in now too

6'6" barefoot, 200 pounds, 6'8,75" wingspan, 8'4" standing reach, 9.5" hand-size

Easily 6'7" in shoes will help Saraf's value tremendously. Long arms and big hands too.


Someone’s going to really like having him. If theoretically we traded down to get two firsts, or traded to add a second first, he would almost certainly be one of the two I would want. Assuming the other was not also a guard.

That said, and to be clear, I am strongly opposed to trading down for two picks in this draft. Hate it. Trading to add a second first though? I’d love that.

I think this is a terrific draft.


Saraf is a great talent. He pops every time you watch the film.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2125 » by DuckIII » Yesterday 11:49 pm

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ThisGuyFawkes wrote:We still have 2 weeks until the draft??? Can we just draft a player already so I can talk myself into them?


And then rabidly turn on them before Easter.


In our defense, nobody reasonable turned on Matas? Lol. :lol:


Matas is hate resistant.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2126 » by drosestruts » Yesterday 11:50 pm

Jvaughn wrote:Jase Richardson breakdown. Seems like the board talk about him has quieted down considerably.




Ben Gordon 2.0

Jase remains one of my top preferred options. It's pretty simple with Jase - he's really really good, at like, everything. He's just small, but not like - no one else in the league is that small small. So I think he'll be a productive player in the NBA.


KJ
Kalkbrenner
Richardson
Clifford
Saraf
Beringer

Are the guys I keep circling


I like the stat in the video of Freshman to have 60+ TS%, A/TO of 2+, and a BPM of 7+

Lonzo Ball
Reed Sheppard
Tyrese Haliburton
Landry Shamet
Kon Knueppel
Jase Richardson
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Post#2127 » by Chi town » Yesterday 11:51 pm

DuckIII wrote:I haven’t worked my way through every conceivable option at 12. Sometimes I turn to one who gets hot in this thread, this time it’s Beringer. I had seen some video before but hadn’t dug in.

Add him to the top of my “can live with” list. The speed and general athleticism fit the model I am hoping AK is going for: Give the ball to Giddey and Lonzo and run like your hair is on fire.

Obviously the offense is crazy raw.

But the thing that really explodes off the screen about him is his ability to hedge and recover. His speed is really unusually exceptional in that regard. I saw clips in which he extended out several feet beyond the 3 point line and fully recovered to protect the rim in a way that was almost shocking.

Doesn’t upset my top 4 of KJ, Essenge, CMB, Demin (in that order) but he goes ahead of 3/D guys like Bryant and Coward due to the uniqueness factor.

I’m sold.


Kid can literally shut down the PNR.

I’ve never seen a big be able to do that.

Let see if he can do it in the NBA.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2128 » by Chi town » Yesterday 11:52 pm

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drosestruts wrote:All the Euro guys measuring well. Saraf's measurements in now too

6'6" barefoot, 200 pounds, 6'8,75" wingspan, 8'4" standing reach, 9.5" hand-size

Easily 6'7" in shoes will help Saraf's value tremendously. Long arms and big hands too.


Someone’s going to really like having him. If theoretically we traded down to get two firsts, or traded to add a second first, he would almost certainly be one of the two I would want. Assuming the other was not also a guard.

That said, and to be clear, I am strongly opposed to trading down for two picks in this draft. Hate it. Trading to add a second first though? I’d love that.

I think this is a terrific draft.


I fully agree.

Just don’t think AK will trade the POR pick or Zo to get that 1st. He think he can get that 1st for Vuc but I see no way that happens unless he takes bad money.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2129 » by drosestruts » Yesterday 11:53 pm

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drosestruts wrote:All the Euro guys measuring well. Saraf's measurements in now too

6'6" barefoot, 200 pounds, 6'8,75" wingspan, 8'4" standing reach, 9.5" hand-size

Easily 6'7" in shoes will help Saraf's value tremendously. Long arms and big hands too.


Someone’s going to really like having him. If theoretically we traded down to get two firsts, or traded to add a second first, he would almost certainly be one of the two I would want. Assuming the other was not also a guard.

That said, and to be clear, I am strongly opposed to trading down for two picks in this draft. Hate it. Trading to add a second first though? I’d love that.

I think this is a terrific draft.


The fun thing about this draft is that after Flagg and Harper it's wide open in my eyes.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2130 » by Chi town » Today 12:09 am

drosestruts wrote:All the Euro guys measuring well. Saraf's measurements in now too

6'6" barefoot, 200 pounds, 6'8,75" wingspan, 8'4" standing reach, 9.5" hand-size

Easily 6'7" in shoes will help Saraf's value tremendously. Long arms and big hands too.


Wow. Great measurements for Saraf.

I’d take him over Demin all day. Elite competitor and motor. The opposite of Demin.

Saraf is just a baller. Much like KJ. I could see him getting his shot dialed and being better than KJ. He’s more elusive and a better defender.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2131 » by DuckIII » Today 12:16 am

drosestruts wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
drosestruts wrote:All the Euro guys measuring well. Saraf's measurements in now too

6'6" barefoot, 200 pounds, 6'8,75" wingspan, 8'4" standing reach, 9.5" hand-size

Easily 6'7" in shoes will help Saraf's value tremendously. Long arms and big hands too.


Someone’s going to really like having him. If theoretically we traded down to get two firsts, or traded to add a second first, he would almost certainly be one of the two I would want. Assuming the other was not also a guard.

That said, and to be clear, I am strongly opposed to trading down for two picks in this draft. Hate it. Trading to add a second first though? I’d love that.

I think this is a terrific draft.


The fun thing about this draft is that after Flagg and Harper it's wide open in my eyes.


We both love the talent pool. I don’t think I love it quite as much as you, which is why I’m opposed to trading down from 12. I do believe there are tiers. I’ll take a crack at a very unscientific and incomplete one to demonstrate my view generally. Tiers separated by a space, players in my order and based on how I feel about them as Bulls only:

Flagg

Harper

Edgecombe
Johnson
Jakucionis
Kon

Bailey
Fears (I don’t know much here - trusting the consensus)

Essenge
CMB
Maluach
Demin
Beringer

That’s 13 guys. I would be excited to have any of those guys and think they all have tantalizing upsides in different ways and could - in theory - become significant impact players over time.

I do not feel that way about the next tiers, which is why I do not want a trade down. Even though I like quite a few of these guys and would love to acquire a pick to get one.

Coward
Fleming
Bryant

Riley
Saraf
Sorber

That’s the next 6 which gets us to 19, the first spot I see discussed as our first trade down destination.

Then you have guys that I think are fine and project as reliable role players with lesser upside, or lesser fit, or both, than the prior 6:

Queen
Newell
Jase
Clifford
Powell
McNeeley
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2132 » by Muzbar » Today 12:18 am

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Muzbar wrote:I was originally not all that interested in Jase but the more I watched of him the more I liked him. I think him measuring smaller (in height) made quite a few sour on him. He does still have a nice wingspan though.

If the Bulls trade Coby, I'd love for the Bulls to pick up Jase as a 'replacement'.


i've definitely also softened on jase a lot after initially putting him in the 'do not consider' pile after the combine measurements

still don't love the fit here with the guard glut but yeah, my interest in him would spike if coby is not sticking around. (in a vacuum, honestly seems like he could be a good guy to pair with giddey?)

I 100% agree he'd be a great fit with Giddey at the 'PG' spot whilst just being a scorer.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2133 » by Infinity2152 » Today 12:34 am

Denim really shouldn't be on the table, IMO. Pretty sure Giddey's here the next 4 years at least. At 12, there will most likely be other players the team rates in the same range as far as potential, but far better fits. Said weeks ago, preference at 12 is to get a primary defense player, guys like Essengue or Beringer or CMB could end up the top defenders in the draft, rather than the 8th best offensive player.

Don't think Jase Richardson is even an option, unless Coby is traded draft night or they're already working on a deal to trade him. We could deal with the size if he's a good POA defender at the next level, 6'6 wingspan, but much more valuable to us if Coby is traded. He could be a great backcourt partner with giddey.

Time to offer Portland their pick back for pick 11. I'll throw in pick 45.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2134 » by DuckIII » Today 12:39 am

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DuckIII wrote:I haven’t worked my way through every conceivable option at 12. Sometimes I turn to one who gets hot in this thread, this time it’s Beringer. I had seen some video before but hadn’t dug in.

Add him to the top of my “can live with” list. The speed and general athleticism fit the model I am hoping AK is going for: Give the ball to Giddey and Lonzo and run like your hair is on fire.

Obviously the offense is crazy raw.

But the thing that really explodes off the screen about him is his ability to hedge and recover. His speed is really unusually exceptional in that regard. I saw clips in which he extended out several feet beyond the 3 point line and fully recovered to protect the rim in a way that was almost shocking.

Doesn’t upset my top 4 of KJ, Essenge, CMB, Demin (in that order) but he goes ahead of 3/D guys like Bryant and Coward due to the uniqueness factor.

I’m sold.


Kid can literally shut down the PNR.

I’ve never seen a big be able to do that.



Ben Wallace could do it. Wemby can do it. At the NBA level that’s about the list among centers, that I’ve seen. I’d bet Wilt and Russell could do it. Regardless, that’s that uniqueness factor.

At 12 guys who having some kind of outlier skill or talent or attribute matters a lot to me. I’m not looking to add a “solid guy who will help us immediately next year.”
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2135 » by Repeat 3-peat » Today 12:40 am

jump wrote:Does anyone have a source or an update on which players the Bulls have worked out or interviewed?


The Bulls keep their workouts private, so it takes a reporter or the prospect to report the workout.

But per Hoops hype. Asa Newell, Drake Powell, are the only draft worthy prospect that's been confirmed, others are UDFA.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2025-nba-draft-workout-tracker-where-are-prospects-working-out/
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Post#2136 » by Infinity2152 » Today 12:51 am

jump wrote:Does anyone have a source or an update on which players the Bulls have worked out or interviewed?


Chicago has had official workouts with at least nine prospects, per USA Today. They include:

G John Blackwell (returned to Wisconsin)
F Mohamed Diawara (France): Measured 6-foot-9 in shoes, 223 pounds, 7-foot-3 ¾ wingspan, 9-foot-2 ¼ standing reach at the 2024 Adidas Eurocamp according to NBADraft.net.
F Juwan Gary, Nebraska: 6-foot-6, 225 pounds, averaged 1.9 stocks each of his last three years in college.
F Coleman Hawkins, Kansas State: 6-foot-9, 215 pounds, NBA-ready stretch four.
F CJ Huntley, Appalachian State: 6-foot-10, 190 pounds, averaged 16 points, eight rebounds, 1.3 stocks as a senior
G Drake Powell, North Carolina: 6-foot-6, 200 pounds, most athletic prospect at NBA combine
F Asa Newell, Georgia: 6-foot-10, 225 pounds, athletic interior presence with upside
G Miles Kelly, Auburn: 6-foot-6, 190 pounds, shot 38 percent from three, 91 percent from the free-throw line and averaged 1.0 steals
The Bulls also worked out guard Mark Sears, an experienced, steady, hard-nosed point guard who was a leader for several good Alabama teams. But Chicago clearly has an archetype in mind this offseason: No one on that list is shorter than 6-foot-6, almost all of them are long and/or strong and most are experienced college players.
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Post#2137 » by JohnnyKILLroy » Today 1:01 am

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Post#2138 » by Flopper » Today 1:05 am

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And then rabidly turn on them before Easter.


In our defense, nobody reasonable turned on Matas? Lol. :lol:


Matas is hate resistant.

Must be his reflective white coating.
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Post#2139 » by Jvaughn » Today 1:56 am

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Jvaughn wrote:Jase Richardson breakdown. Seems like the board talk about him has quieted down considerably.


I was originally not all that interested in Jase but the more I watched of him the more I liked him. I think him measuring smaller (in height) made quite a few sour on him. He does still have a nice wingspan though.

If the Bulls trade Coby, I'd love for the Bulls to pick up Jase as a 'replacement'.


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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#2140 » by VolumePoster » Today 2:00 am

Chi town wrote:
drosestruts wrote:All the Euro guys measuring well. Saraf's measurements in now too

6'6" barefoot, 200 pounds, 6'8,75" wingspan, 8'4" standing reach, 9.5" hand-size

Easily 6'7" in shoes will help Saraf's value tremendously. Long arms and big hands too.


Wow. Great measurements for Saraf.

I’d take him over Demin all day. Elite competitor and motor. The opposite of Demin.

Saraf is just a baller. Much like KJ. I could see him getting his shot dialed and being better than KJ. He’s more elusive and a better defender.


That’s a nice call with respect to Demin. Not sure why Saraf isn’t higher. His game in unorthodox but in a good way. I need to do a little more research with respect to his deep ball.

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