2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

[Guru]

I don't think its bad logic to get another passer. But why not Danny Wolf then? He has more strengths than Demin and they share weaknesses.

His passing is only a "strength" because he is a center not because he is that good at it. He is a turnover machine. While his 3PT% is okay for a 7fter his FT% is bad. He is also a bad defender and not particularly athletic.

Demin is a turnover machine as well. His 3Pt % is bad, his FT % is bad.

The point isn't that Wolf is perfect. It's that he is better than Demin

[Guru]

I don't think its bad logic to get another passer. But why not Danny Wolf then? He has more strengths than Demin and they share weaknesses.

His passing is only a "strength" because he is a center not because he is that good at it. He is a turnover machine. While his 3PT% is okay for a 7fter his FT% is bad. He is also a bad defender and not particularly athletic.

Yeah I do not understand the allure of Danny Wolf. He's got 2nd rounder that will be overseas in 2 years written all over him.

This is an absurd take. With the staying power of bigs in the NBA Wolf is probably a ten year plus guy

[Guru]

Just reading through some scouting stuff...Bumped into Amari Williams. any thoughts on him. Can rebound, block shots and passes well.

[Jvaughn]

His passing is only a "strength" because he is a center not because he is that good at it. He is a turnover machine. While his 3PT% is okay for a 7fter his FT% is bad. He is also a bad defender and not particularly athletic.

Yeah I do not understand the allure of Danny Wolf. He's got 2nd rounder that will be overseas in 2 years written all over him.

This is an absurd take. With the staying power of bigs in the NBA Wolf is probably a ten year plus guy

Poor athlete, turnover heavy, poor defender, not a great shooter. Where exactly do you expect him to excel at the NBA level? We have a center that is way better than him on the roster that struggles to get minutes. Danny Wolf is not about to have a career twice as long as the NBA average.

[Jcool0]

I don't think its bad logic to get another passer. But why not Danny Wolf then? He has more strengths than Demin and they share weaknesses.

His passing is only a "strength" because he is a center not because he is that good at it. He is a turnover machine. While his 3PT% is okay for a 7fter his FT% is bad. He is also a bad defender and not particularly athletic.

Demin is a turnover machine as well. His 3Pt % is bad, his FT % is bad.

The point isn't that Wolf is perfect. It's that he is better than Demin

You dont want your center turning it over 4x a game. So not sure why you are comparing what a PG does to a center. Its not equal.

[2weekswithpay]

The Wolf appeal is straightforward IMO. He's 6'10 and can shoot, dribble, and pass. He does this better than most wings in the draft.

His passing is very much a strength, TOs don't negate that. Jakucionis turns the ball over a lot, but he is also a good passer. Cade had more TOs than assists in college, but no one would claim that he was a bad passer. No NBA team is going to run their offense through Wolf, so the TOs aren't that big of an issue. The more players that can shoot, dribble, and pass, the better.

[Jcool0]

The Wolf appeal is straightforward IMO. He's 6'10 and can shoot, dribble, and pass. He does this better than most wings in the draft.

His passing is very much a strength, TOs don't negate that. Jakucionis turns the ball over a lot, but he is also a good passer. Cade had more TOs than assists in college, but no one would claim that he was a bad passer. No NBA team is going to run their offense through Wolf, so the TOs aren't that big of an issue. The more players that can shoot, dribble, and pass, the better.

One problem. He does not shoot pass or dribble better then any wing in this draft.

[Jvaughn]

The Wolf appeal is straightforward IMO. He's 6'10 and can shoot, dribble, and pass. He does this better than most wings in the draft.

His passing is very much a strength, TOs don't negate that. Jakucionis turns the ball over a lot, but he is also a good passer. Cade had more TOs than assists in college, but no one would claim that he was a bad passer. No NBA team is going to run their offense through Wolf, so the TOs aren't that big of an issue. The more players that can shoot, dribble, and pass, the better.

One problem. He does not shoot pass or dribble better then any wing in this draft.

He MIGHT have a better handle than Ace, but that's Ace's biggest weakness, so.....

[2weekswithpay]

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Just lower the usage and don't have Wolf run so many PNRs as the ballhandler.

[Jvaughn]

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Just lower the usage and don't have Wolf run so many PNRs as the ballhandler.

Isn't the majority of his offense from PnR as a ball handler? Legitimately asking. I don't have the stats, but from what I recall, I saw quite a bit of the offense starting with this.

[2weekswithpay]

The Wolf appeal is straightforward IMO. He's 6'10 and can shoot, dribble, and pass. He does this better than most wings in the draft.

His passing is very much a strength, TOs don't negate that. Jakucionis turns the ball over a lot, but he is also a good passer. Cade had more TOs than assists in college, but no one would claim that he was a bad passer. No NBA team is going to run their offense through Wolf, so the TOs aren't that big of an issue. The more players that can shoot, dribble, and pass, the better.

One problem. He does not shoot pass or dribble better then any wing in this draft.

Ace, Carter Bryant, Liam McNeely, Hugo Gonzalez, Drake Powell. Are you claiming that the extremely low usage, Carter Bryant is a better passer and ball handler?

[Jcool0]

The Wolf appeal is straightforward IMO. He's 6'10 and can shoot, dribble, and pass. He does this better than most wings in the draft.

His passing is very much a strength, TOs don't negate that. Jakucionis turns the ball over a lot, but he is also a good passer. Cade had more TOs than assists in college, but no one would claim that he was a bad passer. No NBA team is going to run their offense through Wolf, so the TOs aren't that big of an issue. The more players that can shoot, dribble, and pass, the better.

One problem. He does not shoot pass or dribble better then any wing in this draft.

He MIGHT have a better handle than Ace, but that's Ace's biggest weakness, so.....

If Wolf was a 7ft wing who could do all those things better then most he would be going in the top 5 in this draft not 15-25.

[Jcool0]

The Wolf appeal is straightforward IMO. He's 6'10 and can shoot, dribble, and pass. He does this better than most wings in the draft.

His passing is very much a strength, TOs don't negate that. Jakucionis turns the ball over a lot, but he is also a good passer. Cade had more TOs than assists in college, but no one would claim that he was a bad passer. No NBA team is going to run their offense through Wolf, so the TOs aren't that big of an issue. The more players that can shoot, dribble, and pass, the better.

One problem. He does not shoot pass or dribble better then any wing in this draft.

Ace, Carter Bryant, Liam McNeely, Hugo Gonzalez, Drake Powell. Are you claiming that the extremely low usage, Carter Bryant is a better passer and ball handler?

Then Wolf? 100% Is this is local kid makes good thing?

[Almost Retired]

I could see Kon Kneuppel being a guy who surprisingly falls a bit. Not sure if he could fall all the way to 12, but he strikes me as a guy that ends up getting overlooked as teams try to hit home runs and make splashier picks.

Kneuppel is a hard pick to predict. I've seen mocks all over the place with him, from #5 or 6 all the way out to the late teens. He's a sharp shooting, high BBIQ glue guy that would be great in the right fit. A perfect Robin to a team that already has their Batman, much like the role he played at Duke next to Flagg. If he were still on the board at #12 AKME would at least have to consider taking him. He's just too good a shooter. And in a league so dependent on the 3 point shot that is always something a team could use.

[Jcool0]

I could see Kon Kneuppel being a guy who surprisingly falls a bit. Not sure if he could fall all the way to 12, but he strikes me as a guy that ends up getting overlooked as teams try to hit home runs and make splashier picks.

Kneuppel is a hard pock to predict. I've seen mocks all over the place with him, from #5 or 6 all the way out to the late teens. He's a sharp shooting, high BBIQ glue guy that would be great in the right fit. A perfect Robin to a team that already has their Batman, much like the role he played at Duke next to Flagg. If he were still on the board at #12 AKME would at least have to consider taking him. He's just too good a shooter. And in a league so dependent on the 3 point shot that is always something a team could use.

If Kon is available at 12... AK better run to turn that card in.

[Jvaughn]

I could see Kon Kneuppel being a guy who surprisingly falls a bit. Not sure if he could fall all the way to 12, but he strikes me as a guy that ends up getting overlooked as teams try to hit home runs and make splashier picks.

Kneuppel is a hard pock to predict. I've seen mocks all over the place with him, from #5 or 6 all the way out to the late teens. He's a sharp shooting, high BBIQ glue guy that would be great in the right fit. A perfect Robin to a team that already has their Batman, much like the role he played at Duke next to Flagg. If he were still on the board at #12 AKME would at least have to consider taking him. He's just too good a shooter. And in a league so dependent on the 3 point shot that is always something a team could use.

If Kon is available at 12... AK better run to turn that card in.

I don't even know how we'd find minutes for him, but that's a problem for tomorrow. A shooter of that caliber opens up a lot for Giddey to operate. He's not my favorite prospect, but you gotta make that pick if he's there.

[Guru]

His passing is only a "strength" because he is a center not because he is that good at it. He is a turnover machine. While his 3PT% is okay for a 7fter his FT% is bad. He is also a bad defender and not particularly athletic.

Demin is a turnover machine as well. His 3Pt % is bad, his FT % is bad.

The point isn't that Wolf is perfect. It's that he is better than Demin

You dont want your center turning it over 4x a game. So not sure why you are comparing what a PG does to a center. Its not equal.

You didnt watch much Michigan basketball huh

[kodo]

Kon would be great at #12. Not the highest upside but it's unlikely he's not an NBA rotation guy.
The biggest knock is that he's been a poor movement & off-the-dribble shooter, but if he was that he wouldn't drop to 12.
I don't think his rim attacking game will work in the NBA, his release is way below the rim and he'll be blocked by guards and wings in the NBA. Ayo or Matas would block his layups to Narnia in practice.

He might be able to do what TJ McConnell did and stop short of the rim and pull up for really high arcing short range jump shots.

[2weekswithpay]

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Just lower the usage and don't have Wolf run so many PNRs as the ballhandler.

Isn't the majority of his offense from PnR as a ball handler? Legitimately asking. I don't have the stats, but from what I recall, I saw quite a bit of the offense starting with this.

I wouldn't say the majority, but a good chunk of his offense was as a ball handler in the PNR or on the perimeter. I don't believe he needs to play like this, though. Passing, shooting, and ball handling are scalable skills. Wolf can be the roll man and make short roll passes like other bigs.

[ImSlower]

I'd be delighted to get Knueppel, but I'm not sure if I've seen any mock that has him drafted after #8.