David Kaplan: There will be meaningful change after this season

[RedBulls23]

There will be minimum 5 years too late change after this season. Refixed

We didn’t mind the needless wait. No really, we did not
I’d postpone getting rid of GarPax if I knew ownership was changed. Ultimately, the core problem. The Reinsdorfs just gonna put their issues on some new FO that will prob carry the same nonsense forward.

What's Reinsdorf core problem? That they operate like a small market team? There are small market teams in the league that consistently put out a better product than the Bulls, and haven't built a toxic losing culture. I'd love new ownership, but an actual good front office would find success here.

The loyalty to Pax (and Gar) is what's set this franchise back. That certainly can't be argued.

The Reinsdorf’s make too much money to justify operating as a small market team. Their problem is both that and the loyalty that they have shown to the wrong people. I’ll also throw in that Reinsdorf doesn’t even really have love for the Bulls like he does for the White Sox. The Bulls are just a means for him to make money which he is now using to try and build a World Series Roster with the Sox. He wants to see the White Sox win another World Series before he dies. I wish he felt the same way about bringing another championship to the Bulls.

No where did I say it was justifiable. I simply said a good front office can still build a consistently good team here.

Also, the Bulls and Sox don't operate in any different manner. It's irrelevant if he "likes" the sox more because he doesn't do anything differently for them.

The only difference between the Sox and the Bulls...Rick Hanh is actually showing to be competent at his job. So like I said, a good front office would find success under Reinsdorf.

Blaming it on ownership is just another excuse people make for Pax and Gar. As if these milk toast unimaginative duds would be any better if Steve Balmer was the owner.

[aguifs]

The guys who traded Buckets for peanuts should be banned from the city!

[Mech Engineer]

What's Reinsdorf core problem? That they operate like a small market team? There are small market teams in the league that consistently put out a better product than the Bulls, and haven't built a toxic losing culture. I'd love new ownership, but an actual good front office would find success here.

The loyalty to Pax (and Gar) is what's set this franchise back. That certainly can't be argued.

The Reinsdorf’s make too much money to justify operating as a small market team. Their problem is both that and the loyalty that they have shown to the wrong people. I’ll also throw in that Reinsdorf doesn’t even really have love for the Bulls like he does for the White Sox. The Bulls are just a means for him to make money which he is now using to try and build a World Series Roster with the Sox. He wants to see the White Sox win another World Series before he dies. I wish he felt the same way about bringing another championship to the Bulls.

No where did I say it was justifiable. I simply said a good front office can still build a consistently good team here.

Also, the Bulls and Sox don't operate in any different manner. It's irrelevant if he "likes" the sox more because he doesn't do anything differently for them.

The only difference between the Sox and the Bulls...Rick Hanh is actually showing to be competent at his job. So like I said, a good front office would find success under Reinsdorf.

Blaming it on ownership is just another excuse people make for Pax and Gar. As if these milk toast unimaginative duds would be any better if Steve Balmer was the owner.

Exactly....Cuban or Ballmer could own the Bulls but GarPax are the main problem here. Reinsdorf is a problem...no doubt about it. But, we Bulls fans need to see a world without GarPax. They have held us hostage to crappy GMing for almost 2 decades.

And, there is a good to great chance that a new GM can make things work even with Reinsdorf's restrictions. Paxson being the GM after all these failures is one of the weirdest things I have seen in Sports Management. It is almost unexplainable. I can't believe Reinsdorf has employed him because he thinks Pax has done a good job. It just cannot be true.

[Am2626]

What's Reinsdorf core problem? That they operate like a small market team? There are small market teams in the league that consistently put out a better product than the Bulls, and haven't built a toxic losing culture. I'd love new ownership, but an actual good front office would find success here.

The loyalty to Pax (and Gar) is what's set this franchise back. That certainly can't be argued.

The Reinsdorf’s make too much money to justify operating as a small market team. Their problem is both that and the loyalty that they have shown to the wrong people. I’ll also throw in that Reinsdorf doesn’t even really have love for the Bulls like he does for the White Sox. The Bulls are just a means for him to make money which he is now using to try and build a World Series Roster with the Sox. He wants to see the White Sox win another World Series before he dies. I wish he felt the same way about bringing another championship to the Bulls.

No where did I say it was justifiable. I simply said a good front office can still build a consistently good team here.

Also, the Bulls and Sox don't operate in any different manner. It's irrelevant if he "likes" the sox more because he doesn't do anything differently for them.

The only difference between the Sox and the Bulls...Rick Hanh is actually showing to be competent at his job. So like I said, a good front office would find success under Reinsdorf.

Blaming it on ownership is just another excuse people make for Pax and Gar. As if these milk toast unimaginative duds would be any better if Steve Balmer was the owner.

If Steve Ballmer were the Bulls Owner, GarPax would be relieved of their duties immediately. I guarantee that he would bring in a much more competent FO. It’s 100% on Reinsdorf that he continues to keep these clowns employed.

[Am2626]

The Reinsdorf’s make too much money to justify operating as a small market team. Their problem is both that and the loyalty that they have shown to the wrong people. I’ll also throw in that Reinsdorf doesn’t even really have love for the Bulls like he does for the White Sox. The Bulls are just a means for him to make money which he is now using to try and build a World Series Roster with the Sox. He wants to see the White Sox win another World Series before he dies. I wish he felt the same way about bringing another championship to the Bulls.

No where did I say it was justifiable. I simply said a good front office can still build a consistently good team here.

Also, the Bulls and Sox don't operate in any different manner. It's irrelevant if he "likes" the sox more because he doesn't do anything differently for them.

The only difference between the Sox and the Bulls...Rick Hanh is actually showing to be competent at his job. So like I said, a good front office would find success under Reinsdorf.

Blaming it on ownership is just another excuse people make for Pax and Gar. As if these milk toast unimaginative duds would be any better if Steve Balmer was the owner.

Exactly....Cuban or Ballmer could own the Bulls but GarPax are the main problem here. Reinsdorf is a problem...no doubt about it. But, we Bulls fans need to see a world without GarPax. They have held us hostage to crappy GMing for almost 2 decades.

And, there is a good to great chance that a new GM can make things work even with Reinsdorf's restrictions. Paxson being the GM after all these failures is one of the weirdest things I have seen in Sports Management. It is almost unexplainable. I can't believe Reinsdorf has employed him because he thinks Pax has done a good job. It just cannot be true.

According to reports, Reinsdorf has no plans to get rid of Paxson. He thinks that he is doing a great job. I don’t think there is anyone outside of the Reinsdorf’s they think this but the Reinsdorf’s are the only people that can actually remove Paxson which will never happen.

They are thinking about adding a new voice to the Front Office. There are 2 problems here. The first is with Paxson still around this new voice will not be able to make decisions independent of Paxson. The second problem is no one that is any good will want to come in and have to report to Paxson. History has shown that anyone that has gone against Paxson has gotten fired. You have to be a puppet like Boylen in order to have job security within the Bulls organization.

[Michael Jackson]

The Reinsdorf’s make too much money to justify operating as a small market team. Their problem is both that and the loyalty that they have shown to the wrong people. I’ll also throw in that Reinsdorf doesn’t even really have love for the Bulls like he does for the White Sox. The Bulls are just a means for him to make money which he is now using to try and build a World Series Roster with the Sox. He wants to see the White Sox win another World Series before he dies. I wish he felt the same way about bringing another championship to the Bulls.

No where did I say it was justifiable. I simply said a good front office can still build a consistently good team here.

Also, the Bulls and Sox don't operate in any different manner. It's irrelevant if he "likes" the sox more because he doesn't do anything differently for them.

The only difference between the Sox and the Bulls...Rick Hanh is actually showing to be competent at his job. So like I said, a good front office would find success under Reinsdorf.

Blaming it on ownership is just another excuse people make for Pax and Gar. As if these milk toast unimaginative duds would be any better if Steve Balmer was the owner.

Exactly....Cuban or Ballmer could own the Bulls but GarPax are the main problem here. Reinsdorf is a problem...no doubt about it. But, we Bulls fans need to see a world without GarPax. They have held us hostage to crappy GMing for almost 2 decades.

And, there is a good to great chance that a new GM can make things work even with Reinsdorf's restrictions. Paxson being the GM after all these failures is one of the weirdest things I have seen in Sports Management. It is almost unexplainable. I can't believe Reinsdorf has employed him because he thinks Pax has done a good job. It just cannot be true.

Yeah it is GarPax for sure. For all the talk about Jerry, he has been willing to shell out cash for good teams. He lets Hahn do what he wants and let Kenny. He let Krause. Hell he let Paxson go after LeBron, Wade and later Melo. He has never prevented any moves of import, the FO just hasn’t been bale to pull off anything of import.

The fact that the FO is still employed is on Jerry though and that is why he is a frustrating owner. Dolan would have had more changes not that makes Dolan any better. Just way richer.

[Leslie Forman]

Also, the Bulls and Sox don't operate in any different manner. It's irrelevant if he "likes" the sox more because he doesn't do anything differently for them.

There is absolutely a difference. He's good with the Sox just being profitable. The Bulls on the other hand have to always be wildly profitable. I'm not about to go and do the numbers, but I'd wager that the ratio of profits:revenue is waaaaay higher for the Bulls than the Sox over the last 30 years.

Who knows, maybe this is actually because of the other Bulls owners that aren't Sox owners, but functionally it doesn't matter.

[Michael Jackson]

No where did I say it was justifiable. I simply said a good front office can still build a consistently good team here.

Also, the Bulls and Sox don't operate in any different manner. It's irrelevant if he "likes" the sox more because he doesn't do anything differently for them.

The only difference between the Sox and the Bulls...Rick Hanh is actually showing to be competent at his job. So like I said, a good front office would find success under Reinsdorf.

Blaming it on ownership is just another excuse people make for Pax and Gar. As if these milk toast unimaginative duds would be any better if Steve Balmer was the owner.

Exactly....Cuban or Ballmer could own the Bulls but GarPax are the main problem here. Reinsdorf is a problem...no doubt about it. But, we Bulls fans need to see a world without GarPax. They have held us hostage to crappy GMing for almost 2 decades.

And, there is a good to great chance that a new GM can make things work even with Reinsdorf's restrictions. Paxson being the GM after all these failures is one of the weirdest things I have seen in Sports Management. It is almost unexplainable. I can't believe Reinsdorf has employed him because he thinks Pax has done a good job. It just cannot be true.

According to reports, Reinsdorf has no plans to get rid of Paxson. He thinks that he is doing a great job. I don’t think there is anyone outside of the Reinsdorf’s they think this but the Reinsdorf’s are the only people that can actually remove Paxson which will never happen.

They are thinking about adding a new voice to the Front Office. There are 2 problems here. The first is with Paxson still around this new voice will not be able to make decisions independent of Paxson. The second problem is no one that is any good will want to come in and have to report to Paxson. History has shown that anyone that has gone against Paxson has gotten fired. You have to be a puppet like Boylen in order to have job security within the Bulls organization.

Don’t think that would be the case honestly though. Paxson doesn’t want the job and would take a backseat. He tried already. Ideally he would end up like Kenny and we find a Rick Hahn. Gar was supposed to be that but he just didn’t do the job. Keeping Paxson employed isn’t an issue if someone else is doing the work. That’s just on Jerry’s payroll.

As far as going against Paxson (whom I hate) Gar did and he wasn’t a Paxson guy reportedly. If Gar was any good when he got the reins we wouldn’t be having this discussion. We woukd barely even know Oaxson was still employed by the Bulls. Gar is all Michaels fault IMO.

[Mech Engineer]

The Reinsdorf’s make too much money to justify operating as a small market team. Their problem is both that and the loyalty that they have shown to the wrong people. I’ll also throw in that Reinsdorf doesn’t even really have love for the Bulls like he does for the White Sox. The Bulls are just a means for him to make money which he is now using to try and build a World Series Roster with the Sox. He wants to see the White Sox win another World Series before he dies. I wish he felt the same way about bringing another championship to the Bulls.

No where did I say it was justifiable. I simply said a good front office can still build a consistently good team here.

Also, the Bulls and Sox don't operate in any different manner. It's irrelevant if he "likes" the sox more because he doesn't do anything differently for them.

The only difference between the Sox and the Bulls...Rick Hanh is actually showing to be competent at his job. So like I said, a good front office would find success under Reinsdorf.

Blaming it on ownership is just another excuse people make for Pax and Gar. As if these milk toast unimaginative duds would be any better if Steve Balmer was the owner.

If Steve Ballmer were the Bulls Owner, GarPax would be relieved of their duties immediately. I guarantee that he would bring in a much more competent FO. It’s 100% on Reinsdorf that he continues to keep these clowns employed.

That's true. But, I'm still surprised that Paxson is still employed even with Reinsdorf. I know he thinks Pax has a smart basketball brain. And, I know they are profitable but Reinsdorf also is smart enough to know that MJ's impact has carried the Bulls from 1998 onwards.

It is really weird that he hasn't looked around the league even superficially and realized what a crappy GM Paxson has been.

[RedBulls23]

The Reinsdorf’s make too much money to justify operating as a small market team. Their problem is both that and the loyalty that they have shown to the wrong people. I’ll also throw in that Reinsdorf doesn’t even really have love for the Bulls like he does for the White Sox. The Bulls are just a means for him to make money which he is now using to try and build a World Series Roster with the Sox. He wants to see the White Sox win another World Series before he dies. I wish he felt the same way about bringing another championship to the Bulls.

No where did I say it was justifiable. I simply said a good front office can still build a consistently good team here.

Also, the Bulls and Sox don't operate in any different manner. It's irrelevant if he "likes" the sox more because he doesn't do anything differently for them.

The only difference between the Sox and the Bulls...Rick Hanh is actually showing to be competent at his job. So like I said, a good front office would find success under Reinsdorf.

Blaming it on ownership is just another excuse people make for Pax and Gar. As if these milk toast unimaginative duds would be any better if Steve Balmer was the owner.

If Steve Ballmer were the Bulls Owner, GarPax would be relieved of their duties immediately. I guarantee that he would bring in a much more competent FO. It’s 100% on Reinsdorf that he continues to keep these clowns employed.

Yeah, which is why I said that's also a problem.

My point is that a good front office would be successful here. No matter who the owner is, gar/pax would suck.

I'd love to get new ownership, but that's not realistic. Gar and Pax going away could happen soon enough. It's more likely to happen.

[RedBulls23]

Also, the Bulls and Sox don't operate in any different manner. It's irrelevant if he "likes" the sox more because he doesn't do anything differently for them.

There is absolutely a difference. He's good with the Sox just being profitable. The Bulls on the other hand have to always be wildly profitable. I'm not about to go and do the numbers, but I'd wager that the ratio of profits:revenue is waaaaay higher for the Bulls than the Sox over the last 30 years.

Who knows, maybe this is actually because of the other Bulls owners that aren't Sox owners, but functionally it doesn't matter.

Yeah, that's because the Sox are the 2nd baseball team in town and have much smaller fanbase in the world let alone Chicago.

As far as how they operate (coaching, free agency, spending on payroll) it's not any different. Only difference is Hahn is looking like he's actually good at his job.

[MeloRoseNoah]

Leslie Forman has Michael Reinsdorf by the balls.

Michael would be sexiled to the bad boy room for months by his wife if there’s any danger to Gar job status.

[Leslie Forman]

Also, the Bulls and Sox don't operate in any different manner. It's irrelevant if he "likes" the sox more because he doesn't do anything differently for them.

There is absolutely a difference. He's good with the Sox just being profitable. The Bulls on the other hand have to always be wildly profitable. I'm not about to go and do the numbers, but I'd wager that the ratio of profits:revenue is waaaaay higher for the Bulls than the Sox over the last 30 years.

Who knows, maybe this is actually because of the other Bulls owners that aren't Sox owners, but functionally it doesn't matter.

Yeah, that's because the Sox are the 2nd baseball team in town and have much smaller fanbase in the world let alone Chicago.

As far as how they operate (coaching, free agency, spending on payroll) it's not any different. Only difference is Hahn is looking like he's actually good at his job.

The White Sox usually make pretty much the same annual revenue as the Bulls.

Guess which one always makes far more in profit, though?

[RedBulls23]

There is absolutely a difference. He's good with the Sox just being profitable. The Bulls on the other hand have to always be wildly profitable. I'm not about to go and do the numbers, but I'd wager that the ratio of profits:revenue is waaaaay higher for the Bulls than the Sox over the last 30 years.

Who knows, maybe this is actually because of the other Bulls owners that aren't Sox owners, but functionally it doesn't matter.

Yeah, that's because the Sox are the 2nd baseball team in town and have much smaller fanbase in the world let alone Chicago.

As far as how they operate (coaching, free agency, spending on payroll) it's not any different. Only difference is Hahn is looking like he's actually good at his job.

The White Sox usually make pretty much the same annual revenue as the Bulls.

Guess which one always makes far more in profit, though?

Yeah, and so what? I'm honestly not even sure what your point is.

Please show me how Reinsdorf favors the white Sox more in actuall results on the field, team spending, roster construction, and coaching hires. They operate the exact same way. They just recently spent money in free agency with the white Sox (Grandal with a record signing of 70 million) which isn't even close to that much when you consider what players in MLB sign for on a year basis.

He doesn't give Kenny or Hanh untethered leash do what ever it takes to land a player.

Like I said the only difference is Rick Hahn is actually showing to be good at his job unlike Gar Forman who sucks.

John Paxson and Kenny William's are the same as far as JR being loyal to them. Yeah kenny built one championship team, but otherwise he's built a consistently garaged losing product over the last 15 years and JR has still kept him around. Sound familiar?

[Leslie Forman]

Yeah, and so what? I'm honestly not even sure what your point is.

If you think profit margins are literally meaningless, then there is no discussion to be had.

[RedBulls23]

Yeah, and so what? I'm honestly not even sure what your point is.

If you think profit margins are literally meaningless, then there is no discussion to be had.

Comparing how MLB team and an NBA team generates profit margins is comparing apples and oranges.

Outside of that, you haven't been able to explain to me how that in anyway has resulted in the White Sox being a better product over the last 14/15 years on the field? Here's some help: it hasn't.

The only difference is that recently Rick Hahn has done a better job at building a young roster with potential during this rebuild than the Bulls FO has.

[Leslie Forman]

Yeah, and so what? I'm honestly not even sure what your point is.

If you think profit margins are literally meaningless, then there is no discussion to be had.

Comparing how MLB team and an NBA team generates profit margins is comparing apples and oranges.

Outside of that, you haven't been able to explain to me how that in anyway has resulted in the White Sox being a better product over the last 14/15 years on the field? Here's some help: it hasn't.

The only difference is that Rick Hahn has done a better job at building a young roster with potential during this rebuild than the Bulls FO has.

You really don't see the cognitive dissonance of saying profit margin doesn't matter at all, and then mentioning the catcher they just gave $18mil a year to?

Really?

[RedBulls23]

If you think profit margins are literally meaningless, then there is no discussion to be had.

Comparing how MLB team and an NBA team generates profit margins is comparing apples and oranges.

Outside of that, you haven't been able to explain to me how that in anyway has resulted in the White Sox being a better product over the last 14/15 years on the field? Here's some help: it hasn't.

The only difference is that Rick Hahn has done a better job at building a young roster with potential during this rebuild than the Bulls FO has.

You really don't see the cognitive dissonance of saying profit margin doesn't matter at all, and then mentioning the catcher they just gave $18mil a year to?

Really?

The money they gave to Grandal isn't close to the type of large contracts that are handed out in baseball and the Sox payroll is still not above league average. This is the first time the Sox have ever come close to spending that much in free agency. The Bulls have spent similarly in free agency in the past as well.

Just like the Bulls, the sox failed at doing what it takes to land the superstar last season.

JR doesn't give the White Sox more leeway in team building than he does the Bulls. He could, because there isn't anything stopping him from offering the most money on the market. There is no such thing as max contracts in mlb, and the CBa in the mlb works much differently.

[fleet]

The guys who traded Buckets for peanuts should be banned from the city!

Always, the problem has been determined to be, the Bulls seemed at the time to be at a dead end. So trade Jimmy and start fresh. But do it the right way, don’t duck it up. Weeelllll, whoops. How real the dead end was, I don’t know. But too bad we couldn’t make a go at it with a good FO and kept Jimmy. That was a part that always helped fuel the trade Jimmy idea too. That the 2 bozos were incapable of getting the team off the Schnied as things were. GarPax’s dysfunction was a factor in the way some Bulls fans saw the idea of the Buckets deal.

[RedBulls23]

According to my source (which is myself, having watched the Bulls for 35 years):

1. John Paxson will be promoted to 'Double-Secret Executive Vice President Of Basketball Operations'
2. Gar Forman will be promoted to 'Definitely not the GM'
3. The last guy Gar went fishing with will be named GM
4. Jim Boylen will be let go, after a bare-knuckle boxing match with John Paxson
5. Jerry and Michael Reinsdorf will proceed with an exhaustive search of head coaching candidates that will include such notables as every player who has ever worn a Bulls uniform
6. Ticket prices will be increasing to reflect the excitement of the upcoming season

This post still cracks me up