Coronavirus

[dice]

What does one have to do with the other? Why would we compare after-the-fact flu data to an in-process Coronovirus epidemic?

the flu ain't "after the fact". it's very much ongoing and very much deadlier than coronavirus. it's just not new, so it doesn't induce panic

This is the type of dangerous rhetoric that causes people to not take things seriously and literally gets people killed. People can prepare for something without panicking.

don't be an ass. I NEVER suggested that people shouldn't take things seriously. you made that up. in fact, if you WEREN'T so panicked and took the time to comprehend information, I specifically said that it's perfectly OK to be concerned about coronavirus...IF YOU'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FLU. which again, is MUCH deadlier. and requires pretty much the exact same preventative actions to reduce your susceptibility

The flu comes every year. It has a vaccine. We have build up antibodies to the flu over time. We spend lots and lots of money every year to prepare by giving people flu shots and on treating people after they get the flu.

and yet it kills way more people than coronavirus. and yet we STILL need to be vigilant. This is the type of dangerous rhetoric that causes people to not take things seriously and literally gets people killed

see how that works?

Adding a bunch of other sick people to the health system that is trying to deal with a strong flu season doesn't seem like it will help things.

of course not. so what do you do about it? do you panic or do you let the professionals do their jobs while you do yours by engaging in the exact same preventative measures that you should during an ordinary flu season? you do the same thing unless the professionals tell you otherwise (seniors not flying, nobody taking cruises)!

Flu aint destroying the lungs like COVID-19 does and hampers one´s breathing. Flu has multiple vaccines, COVID-19 has none. People have immunity against flu, no one has immunity against COVID as it is a new virus. COVID has a LOT bigger mortality rate than flu, so far death rate is pretty low but rate is around 100 times more than a flu. In Italy mortality rate at the moment is around 5-6%. What is worrying too is that it can incapacitate the healthcare system if the infections start to pile up as they have been in Italy. There is limited amount of respirators in hospitals. One of the reasons for the outbreak in Italy is that people havent been obeying the quarantine.

i've already been over this several times. NOBODY disputes that coronavirus is much more dangerous...IF you contract it. but you are miles more likely to contract the flu! that's just the reality. particularly in the USA. that reality could change, of course, but until then there's no reason that we should be turning our lives upside down. obey the orders of health professionals (which you should have been doing all along every flu season) and your government (if you happen to be under quarantine, by all means obey the quarantine)...and live your life. you have no control over what happens with the virus on the macro level

[Taikuri]

I highly recommend watching this. Joe Rogan has some infectious disease expert talking about Corona with him.

I didn't watch it fully yet but I can already tell that this is very interesting and for those of you who on this thread have been comparing Corona to flu here, well here is a professional telling about the comparison to flu. In the start of it he said: "Corona could be at least 10-15 times worse than then worst seasonal flu we see". He also said that this is only the beginning and we will get a lot more deaths and so on. Well check yourself:

Watch on YouTube

The guy estimates 48 million (I'm guessing world wide) will be hospitalized and 500k will die. 96 million infections. All this can occur in next 3-7 months.

EDIT: I just saw the 15 min thing fully and it's scary as hell what the infectious disease expert is saying here about how easily this thing spreads.

Here is the full episode by the way:

Watch on YouTube

[Michael Jackson]

I just had another trade show canceled for next week. Definitely going to burn the economy This year. The global recession is going to be as interesting as the actual virus I think.

[dice]

I highly recommend watching this. Joe Rogan has some infectious disease expert talking about Corona with him.

I didn't watch it fully yet but I can already tell that this is very interesting and for those of you who on this thread have been comparing Corona to flu here, well here is a professional telling about the comparison to flu. In the start of it he said: "Corona could be at least 10-15 times worse than then worst seasonal flu we see". He also said that this is only the beginning and we will get a lot more deaths and so on. Well check yourself:

The guy estimates 48 million (I'm guessing world wide) will be hospitalized and 500k will die. 96 million infections. All this can occur in next 3-7 months.

EDIT: I just saw the 15 min thing fully and it's scary as hell what the infectious disease expert is saying here about how easily this thing spreads.

Here is the full episode by the way:

which is 1% of the world population infected...and 0.006% dead...still less than the flu, which kills 650K worldwide annually. still scary as hell?

coronavirus should not be scary as hell unless you or someone you know actually has it or thinks they might have it. full stop. unless you're someone who gets a kick out of being scared (or scaring others), in which case you can turn your daily existence into a horror movie!

[Taikuri]

which is 1% of the world population infected...and 0.006% dead...still less than the flu, which kills 650K worldwide annually. still scary as hell?

coronavirus should not be scary as hell unless you or someone you know actually has it or thinks they might have it. full stop. unless you're someone who gets a kick out of being scared (or scaring others), in which case you can turn your daily existence into a horror movie!

Well I don't know all the facts about flu so I don't want to make a long argument about that but that guy in the video did say it's 10-15x times worse than the worst seasonal flu. It must mean something when a infectious disease expert says that.

I'm personally mostly watching Italy and 100 deaths 2 days ago and 168 more people died the day after. I don't think that it's normal in Italy for that many people to die per day, especially to a single disease. Italy's population is 60 million so its not the largest country in that category. Maybe a lot of them were old and the death numbers per day go down eventually. I'm just fearing that the Italy situation might happen in everywhere else soon. There's no medication for Corona that cures it so it's not looking good if the Italy situation happens in other countries as well. Let's hope that the medical expert is wrong I guess or that once summer hits, this disease would get weaker.

[dice]

which is 1% of the world population infected...and 0.006% dead...still less than the flu, which kills 650K worldwide annually. still scary as hell?

coronavirus should not be scary as hell unless you or someone you know actually has it or thinks they might have it. full stop. unless you're someone who gets a kick out of being scared (or scaring others), in which case you can turn your daily existence into a horror movie!

Well I don't know all the facts about flu so I don't want to make a long argument about that but that guy in the video did say it's 10-15x times worse than the worst seasonal flu. It must mean something when a infectious disease expert says that.

matches up w/ the fatality rate numbers...IF you get infected

There's no medication for Corona that cures it so it's not looking good if the Italy situation happens in other countries as well.

if there are indeed 100+ deaths per day in italy, that's a big problem. equivalent of close to a quarter of a million deaths in a year in the USA, which would be several times the normal flu death totals

...once summer hits, this disease would get weaker.

probably. but we won't have a vaccine by the start of next winter most likely, so it'll probably start gaining strength again

[Taikuri]

probably. but we won't have a vaccine by the start of next winter most likely, so it'll probably start gaining strength again

The scientist or health expert what ever in the vid is also comparing it to MERS aka camel flu (fatality rate 38% but might not be accurate). It's another corona virus, relative to this covid-19 and relative to SARS also. 2000 people have had it aprox 2012-2017 something said wiki with a quick glance. Anyways, MERS does well in the warmer areas of the world and if our current covid-19 is similar to MERS aka camel flu instead of SARS then summer might not help us. That's kinda what the expert said in the video.

He did say something positive that once you've had covid-19, apparently your body can build immunity vs it like against many other diseases. I'm not so sure did he base that on a fact or what. I actually didn't finish the full version of that vid as I had other things to do, but will finish it later.

Oh yeah the health expert said it again now that 480k deaths he estimates to happen in the next 6-12 months (earlier he said 3-7 months) are in USA alone. First time he said it I thought he meant world wide but now he said that he meant USA alone. I'm guessing that he would say a lot higher death count to happen world wide, so that would make the flu death count that you mentioned earlier I believe lower than the estimation this expert has about covid-19.

[SimonFish]

So China is already rewriting history on the coronavirus outbreak.

https://www.la-croix.com/Monde/Asie-et-Oceanie/Chine-reecrit-deja-lhistoire-coronavirus-Wuhan-2020-03-09-1201082887

Original link in French. Here's the extract of English version by google translate:

Chinese virus becomes "Japanese virus"

More insidious, the Chinese Embassy in Tokyo last week sent all its nationals a message on certain directives to apply if they are confronted with ... "Japanese coronavirus". As if the virus once arrived in Japan took Japanese nationality.

"The world must thank China"
In recent days in the official media are disseminated information on several dozen cases of "import" of the virus into China from abroad, Italy or Iran, and suggests that it is foreigners who come today to contaminate the China, when they are Chinese back home.

Finally, several official messages call on the world to thank China for the sacrifices it has made in fighting the virus and that it is ready to share the experience with those who need it today. " While continuing our prevention work in China (…) we will provide support to foreign countries, within the limits of our capabilities, " said a Chinese deputy foreign minister.

[Ccwatercraft]

which is 1% of the world population infected...and 0.006% dead...still less than the flu, which kills 650K worldwide annually. still scary as hell?

coronavirus should not be scary as hell unless you or someone you know actually has it or thinks they might have it. full stop. unless you're someone who gets a kick out of being scared (or scaring others), in which case you can turn your daily existence into a horror movie!

Well I don't know all the facts about flu so I don't want to make a long argument about that but that guy in the video did say it's 10-15x times worse than the worst seasonal flu. It must mean something when a infectious disease expert says that.

matches up w/ the fatality rate numbers...IF you get infected

There's no medication for Corona that cures it so it's not looking good if the Italy situation happens in other countries as well.

if there are indeed 100+ deaths per day in italy, that's a big problem. equivalent of close to a quarter of a million deaths in a year in the USA, which would be several times the normal flu death totals

...once summer hits, this disease would get weaker.

probably. but we won't have a vaccine by the start of next winter most likely, so it'll probably start gaining strength again

two days does not a year make.
...Shakespeare or someone similar.

[dougthonus]

probably. but we won't have a vaccine by the start of next winter most likely, so it'll probably start gaining strength again

I would think the reverse and that it is more likely that they will have a vaccine out by next fall than not.

[coldfish]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/us/new-rochelle-attorney-containment-area/index.html

This is why I think its all bull crap. One attorney in NY got the disease and has infected AT LEAST 50 people. Basically, anyone who got near him is testing positive.

This virus moves incredibly fast. There is absolutely positively no way that China kept their cases down to 100,000 people in a nation of 1.4 billion particularly since many of their cities are like living on a cruise ship and they spent the first month or two denying its existence.

Don't believe the infection numbers from anywhere. They are wildly understated. The real question I have is if China lied on their death count.

[Habs72]

probably. but we won't have a vaccine by the start of next winter most likely, so it'll probably start gaining strength again

I would think the reverse and that it is more likely that they will have a vaccine out by next fall than not.

Don´t bet on it though, none of the corona viruses have no vaccine or cure yet.

[dougthonus]

Don´t bet on it though, none of the corona viruses have no vaccine or cure yet.

There hasn't been an intense pressure to find a vaccine for other corona virus's that I'm aware of.

Here's one article talking about it that I thought was kind of interesting:
https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-by-april-chinese-officials-say/

Ready soon but only for emergency situations, could take a year to 18 months to prove safe for general public use.

[Habs72]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/us/new-rochelle-attorney-containment-area/index.html

This is why I think its all bull crap. One attorney in NY got the disease and has infected AT LEAST 50 people. Basically, anyone who got near him is testing positive.

This virus moves incredibly fast. There is absolutely positively no way that China kept their cases down to 100,000 people in a nation of 1.4 billion particularly since many of their cities are like living on a cruise ship and they spent the first month or two denying its existence.

Don't believe the infection numbers from anywhere. They are wildly understated. The real question I have is if China lied on their death count.

Weird is also why it hasnt spread that much into 3rd world countries, India and Africa in general and most of the cases are in industrial countries. Germany´s federal chancellor(kinda like a president) Angela Merkel said today in a press conference that Germany expects 60-70% of their population getting infected. That is 58 million people out of 83 million Germans. Dunno how they got the number.

[coldfish]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/us/new-rochelle-attorney-containment-area/index.html

This is why I think its all bull crap. One attorney in NY got the disease and has infected AT LEAST 50 people. Basically, anyone who got near him is testing positive.

This virus moves incredibly fast. There is absolutely positively no way that China kept their cases down to 100,000 people in a nation of 1.4 billion particularly since many of their cities are like living on a cruise ship and they spent the first month or two denying its existence.

Don't believe the infection numbers from anywhere. They are wildly understated. The real question I have is if China lied on their death count.

Weird is also why it hasnt spread that much into 3rd world countries, India and Africa in general and most of the cases are in industrial countries. Germany´s federal chancellor(kinda like a president) Angela Merkel said today in a press conference that Germany expects 60-70% of their population getting infected. That is 58 million people out of 83 million Germans. Dunno how they got the number.

H1N1 hit something like 20% of the US and the flu doesn't spread super easy. This one seems to move much easier than the flu as you can see in the link I provided. 60-70% isn't surprising to me.

The question we should ask is: Did 60-70% of China *already* get this and the symptoms were so minor for the vast majority of people that they didn't bother testing?

Again, I'm not downplaying here. If a whole city gets this at virtually the same time and a small percentage develop severe symptoms, that's a lot of people in the hospital. As you have been saying, normal flu and cold has some resistance in the population. That prevents it from spreading rapidly and completely. This doesn't have those brakes.

[Habs72]

Don´t bet on it though, none of the corona viruses have no vaccine or cure yet.

There hasn't been an intense pressure to find a vaccine for other corona virus's that I'm aware of.

Here's one article talking about it that I thought was kind of interesting:
https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-by-april-chinese-officials-say/

Ready soon but only for emergency situations, could take a year to 18 months to prove safe for general public use.

Might be the reason yes, as SARS and MERS havent been infecting so many people but WHO list them for urgent research and development. Its been years when those viruses were met the first time and still no cure vaccine. Might be cause of small amounts of infected and short life cycle of epidemic. This is already a fourth corona epidemic in the last decade, although less deadly but by far more infectious.

[DuckIII]

My niece just got sent home from University of Illinois for 2 weeks. They are shutting down.

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[Habs72]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/us/new-rochelle-attorney-containment-area/index.html

This is why I think its all bull crap. One attorney in NY got the disease and has infected AT LEAST 50 people. Basically, anyone who got near him is testing positive.

This virus moves incredibly fast. There is absolutely positively no way that China kept their cases down to 100,000 people in a nation of 1.4 billion particularly since many of their cities are like living on a cruise ship and they spent the first month or two denying its existence.

Don't believe the infection numbers from anywhere. They are wildly understated. The real question I have is if China lied on their death count.

Weird is also why it hasnt spread that much into 3rd world countries, India and Africa in general and most of the cases are in industrial countries. Germany´s federal chancellor(kinda like a president) Angela Merkel said today in a press conference that Germany expects 60-70% of their population getting infected. That is 58 million people out of 83 million Germans. Dunno how they got the number.

H1N1 hit something like 20% of the US and the flu doesn't spread super easy. This one seems to move much easier than the flu as you can see in the link I provided. 60-70% isn't surprising to me.

The question we should ask is: Did 60-70% of China *already* get this and the symptoms were so minor for the vast majority of people that they didn't bother testing?

Again, I'm not downplaying here. If a whole city gets this at virtually the same time and a small percentage develop severe symptoms, that's a lot of people in the hospital. As you have been saying, normal flu and cold has some resistance in the population. That prevents it from spreading rapidly and completely. This doesn't have those brakes.

Yea, those China numbers feels weird compared to what Merkel said. China took drastic measures against the virus and i would think Chinese people do what their government is telling them, unlike western people who wont take their governments that serious. Especially Italians when northern Italy were closed for quarantine, their reaction was a mass escape to south. But like said numbers are weird, im also baffled why India has so low numbers.
What makes this one also different from flu virus is how much longer it can live on surfaces as it is a lot more resilient than a flu virus.

[dougthonus]

im also baffled why India has so low numbers.

Would guess lack of testing.