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Post#221 » by TheStig » Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:49 pm

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R3AL1TY wrote:I agree that nobody is really worth the supermax from a team building perspective. Even during MJ's era, if he had gotten the money he deserved or even more, it would've been difficult for the FO to add key pieces, especially for the 2nd 3 peat. As for Jimmy's situation, GarPax basically gave up on the Thibs' era and whoever was left over from it. They figured why spend big money if the team was barely an 8th seed and the top free agent options weren't in their favor. Let's save and start a new era. But the problems that lingered were the injury bugs and the lack of a strong environment.

Yep, for the most part, the players who are getting it are being stuck in bad situations with their teams not reaching far, not being the destination of choice for top free agents, and not having the right circumstances or luck to land the next big thing from the draft.

I wouldn't say that. Curry is in a good situation. Harden is also in a good situation. He's just not a playoff performer. The game has passed Russ by. And Wall has been injured.

Yeah, but when you compare those 2 + Lillard to guys like Westbrook, Wall, Walker, then you got those who left or got traded from their teams due to not being interested in the franchise anymore or the team underachieving with Cousins, KD, Leonard, CP3 and PG, the numbers aren't in the pro-supermax favor. Then when you throw in other guys who probably think they deserve this supermax too, but they're affected by another supermax player with Klay (warriors should still be good for a while), Beal, AD at the time with the Pelicans, and CJ, it's still hard seeing this type of contract keeping good teams intact for the long-haul due to the pyramid of money + ego. I think the NBA is just better off getting rid of the salary cap anyway, but they should keep the luxury tax at a high premium since top players still may not stay with their initial teams, but their initial teams can still have a premium budget to prevent from falling off completely. Plus, the fear of certain top players leaving their teams may not be as bad if the salary cap isn't around, especially if the team is a contender making good money.

I mean I get your point. Any team with a superstar would put a lot of pressure on his team and I agree it shouldn't exist.

To me, the NBA should have no salary rules and a hard cap. If your cap is a 100 million and you want to give Bron 80 mill a year. That's your team. Parity would be great because no one is passing up a giant salary to form a superteam. There is no KD to the Warriors because he could get 40-50 mill instead of being capped at the max.
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Re: Around The NBA 

Post#222 » by Michael Jackson » Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:53 pm

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TheStig wrote:I wouldn't say that. Curry is in a good situation. Harden is also in a good situation. He's just not a playoff performer. The game has passed Russ by. And Wall has been injured.

Yeah, but when you compare those 2 + Lillard to guys like Westbrook, Wall, Walker, then you got those who left or got traded from their teams due to not being interested in the franchise anymore or the team underachieving with Cousins, KD, Leonard, CP3 and PG, the numbers aren't in the pro-supermax favor. Then when you throw in other guys who probably think they deserve this supermax too, but they're affected by another supermax player with Klay (warriors should still be good for a while), Beal, AD at the time with the Pelicans, and CJ, it's still hard seeing this type of contract keeping good teams intact for the long-haul due to the pyramid of money + ego. I think the NBA is just better off getting rid of the salary cap anyway, but they should keep the luxury tax at a high premium since top players still may not stay with their initial teams, but their initial teams can still have a premium budget to prevent from falling off completely. Plus, the fear of certain top players leaving their teams may not be as bad if the salary cap isn't around, especially if the team is a contender making good money.

I mean I get your point. Any team with a superstar would put a lot of pressure on his team and I agree it shouldn't exist.

To me, the NBA should have no salary rules and a hard cap. If your cap is a 100 million and you want to give Bron 80 mill a year. That's your team. Parity would be great because no one is passing up a giant salary to form a superteam. There is no KD to the Warriors because he could get 40-50 mill instead of being capped at the max.



I am all about that honestly. Let the team manage their assets and spend whatever they want in a player. It could create more team ups but I it likely would create less. Also Otto Porter is not worth anything close to Lebron in any metric there is no way they should make similar salaries that are even close to each other. I get the Players association likes it better because it spreads the wealth more but still
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Post#223 » by Jeffster81 » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:20 pm

Man, I just ready about Danny Green and his fiancée receiving death threats after Green missed a 3p that would have won the game for the Lakers. Those people who would make those threats, really should stop following sports if they are that emotional about a loss.
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Post#224 » by Andi Obst » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:27 pm

Jeffster81 wrote:Man, I just ready about Danny Green and his fiancée receiving death threats after Green missed a 3p that would have won the game for the Lakers. Those people who would make those threats, really should stop following sports if they are that emotional about a loss.


The saddest part is that it didn't surprise me to hear that. People just say anything online and think it's okay because you get away with it. The dude missed a shot, that's it ffs.
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Post#225 » by R3AL1TY » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:41 pm

Danny Green receiving death threats sounds like part of that "toxic environment" KD was talking about with LeBron. But you can't blame LeBron for stupid, emotional fans.
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Post#226 » by TheStig » Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:19 pm

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R3AL1TY wrote:Yeah, but when you compare those 2 + Lillard to guys like Westbrook, Wall, Walker, then you got those who left or got traded from their teams due to not being interested in the franchise anymore or the team underachieving with Cousins, KD, Leonard, CP3 and PG, the numbers aren't in the pro-supermax favor. Then when you throw in other guys who probably think they deserve this supermax too, but they're affected by another supermax player with Klay (warriors should still be good for a while), Beal, AD at the time with the Pelicans, and CJ, it's still hard seeing this type of contract keeping good teams intact for the long-haul due to the pyramid of money + ego. I think the NBA is just better off getting rid of the salary cap anyway, but they should keep the luxury tax at a high premium since top players still may not stay with their initial teams, but their initial teams can still have a premium budget to prevent from falling off completely. Plus, the fear of certain top players leaving their teams may not be as bad if the salary cap isn't around, especially if the team is a contender making good money.

I mean I get your point. Any team with a superstar would put a lot of pressure on his team and I agree it shouldn't exist.

To me, the NBA should have no salary rules and a hard cap. If your cap is a 100 million and you want to give Bron 80 mill a year. That's your team. Parity would be great because no one is passing up a giant salary to form a superteam. There is no KD to the Warriors because he could get 40-50 mill instead of being capped at the max.



I am all about that honestly. Let the team manage their assets and spend whatever they want in a player. It could create more team ups but I it likely would create less. Also Otto Porter is not worth anything close to Lebron in any metric there is no way they should make similar salaries that are even close to each other. I get the Players association likes it better because it spreads the wealth more but still

I think it could still lead to team ups but if it did, it would just be those two guys. Let's take the Nets for example. Kyrie and KD get 40 Mill a year each. DJ still gets around 10 as his cut lol. That leaves 10 million to fill out the roster. So you've basically got 10 (1 million dollar players) to get to where they need to.

That team is beatable if you've got a stacked team.
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Post#227 » by BullsFTW » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:05 pm

R3AL1TY wrote:Danny Green receiving death threats sounds like part of that "toxic environment" KD was talking about with LeBron. But you can't blame LeBron for stupid, emotional fans.

Unfortunately there are fans like that, probably the same cult of emotional fans that thinks LeBron is the GOAT.
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Post#228 » by jc23 » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:26 pm

CJ Watson got death threats for that pass to Asik if i remember correctly.
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Post#229 » by dumbell78 » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:43 pm

Interesting that Vogel(James) has inserted Caruso into the starting lineup to replace Howard. Probably means Lebron has to guard Jimmy unless they stay with Davis and throw Lebron on Bam. Could work or it could play right into Miami's hands.

Quicks side note, just how crazy is it that Jimmy is doing this while guarding LeBron all game and being guarded by AD? What a load he is carrying. Trying to think back recent Finals, listing guys that did the same thing and producing such elite play.
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Post#230 » by Jeffster81 » Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:24 pm

jc23 wrote:CJ Watson got death threats for that pass to Asik if i remember correctly.


Those kinds of fans need to give up sports.
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Post#231 » by dumbell78 » Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:52 pm

Dragic now active. This could be an epic game 6.
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Post#232 » by ImSlower » Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:02 pm

dumbell78 wrote:Dragic now active. This could be an epic game 6.


It would be pretty amazing if Goran managed to play a strong game. I could even see a world where Jimmy plays fewer than 47 minutes!

I'm hyped for tonight.
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Post#233 » by jc23 » Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:23 pm

i though Goran was out for good? wild.
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Post#234 » by Chi town » Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:50 pm

MIA missing bunnies. Playing tight
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Post#235 » by DASMACKDOWN » Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:51 pm

Seems like Tyler Herro starts off every game absolutely horrible.
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Post#236 » by Chi town » Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:56 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:Seems like Tyler Herro starts off every game absolutely horrible.


That back door cut w 1.4 left on the inbounds was nice
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Post#237 » by Chi town » Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:58 pm

Nunn is an X factor
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Post#238 » by DASMACKDOWN » Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:00 am

I dont know right now. Jimmy is falling for what the Lakers are doing. They are doubling him early and he is letting them.
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Post#239 » by Chi town » Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:08 am

Lebron looks like mamba tonight. No bueno. Focused and determined.
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Post#240 » by DASMACKDOWN » Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:13 am

I dont feel any fire in Miami right now. I think its a wrap.

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