Bears 8.0: Matt Eberflus FIRED

[TheGOATRises007]

I was listening to the rich eisen show and he mentioned that he “keeps hearing” that Ben Johnson wants the bears job. Eisen is usually better than solid with he “reports” on these types of rumors

Hopefully we get him.

[GetBuLLish]

I would bet that the locker room has completely lost confidence in the coaching staff. The coaches (primarily Flus and Waldron) have made way too many stupid decisions to justify any belief in their competence. Their disastrous situational play calling only leads me to believe that they are screwing up things at an even broader level than a few errant calls here and there.

These two tweets support that:

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So not only are you overusing a clearly over-the-hill receiver, but you're using him in a completely idiotic way!

All of this incompetence makes me really question Poles.

[Michael Jackson]

A big part of the reason I’ve never liked Eberflus and wanted him replaced this summer is that when he speaks he sounds like a boob; exactly like Vinny Del Negro used to. Every press conference I’m expecting him to say “We don’t go into these games with any predeceived notions, right?”

At least VDN could coach at a .500 level his whole time here.

[Bandit King]

Kmet pissed off the bears upper management with his media comments eberflus and Waldron they are purposely not getting the ball to him!

They had him blocking the whole game!

[Bandit King]

I would bet that the locker room has completely lost confidence in the coaching staff. The coaches (primarily Flus and Waldron) have made way too many stupid decisions to justify any belief in their competence. Their disastrous situational play calling only leads me to believe that they are screwing up things at an even broader level than a few errant calls here and there.

These two tweets support that:

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So not only are you overusing a clearly over-the-hill receiver, but you're using him in a completely idiotic way!

All of this incompetence makes me really question Poles.

They are using keenan as a X wr instead of ozdunze.

Keenan not use to being used in that position!

[dice]

PFF midseason divisional rankings by position group:

OT + blocking TEs

80.5 vikes
77.4 lions
71.3 pack
65.7 bears

IOL

69.8 lions
68.0 bears
60.5 vikes
57.2 pack

backs

80.5 lions
80.0 pack
70.9 vikes
62.8 bears

WR

70.1 vikes
69.6 lions
63.3 pack
62.8 bears

front 7

68.8 lions
65.3 vikes
64.2 bears
58.2 pack

secondary

69.8 lions
69.3 bears
68.6 pack
64.7 vikes

question is, how is the vikings defense head and shoulders best in the nfl w/o an abundance of standout individual performers?

[panthermark]

When Lovie Smith was fired, he gave the Bears a gift, but....

When Houston drafted Stroud #2 overall, they fired Smith and paired their prized rookie QB with a good HC/OC

When the Skins drafted JD #2 overall, they fired Rivera and paired their prized rookie QB with a good HC/OC.

What did Poles do? (And don't forget the Bears held the #1 pick in both of those drafts).

I think Flus has to go 6-3.....maybe 5-4 with some tough, close losses to keep his job IMO.

If the Bears finish no better than 6-11, I think Poles should be let go...maybe even 7-10 is worth moving on. If not, he would be on the lava seat regardless.

[Almost Retired]

Here’s the clip of eisen talking about Johnson. It’s around the last 45 seconds of the video

https://youtu.be/Bxuq4yb90dQ?si=h-DKV71Itysxv0J8

That would be the best outcome I believe. No more defense minded Head Coaches. Clean house. Fire the entire coaching staff the day after our season ends against Green Bay. Hire Ben Johnson the day after the Lion's playoff run ends. Let him hire the staff he wants. We regroup next season with 3 top 50 Draft choices and some FA acquisitions. Go from there.

[Dresden]

I was hoping we would move Allen.
At the moment, CW isn't accurate enough, and this offense isn't efficient enough to feed everyone. Given Allen's stats, I doubt he is back next year.

I didn't mind the trade for Allen because at the time we only had Moore, VJJ and Scott under contract. But with Rome on the roster, Allen does not have much of a future here, especially if he wants a big contract. And the Bears need the assets for the O-line.

I'd wait and see how Allen does the rest of the year. He missed the first several games, and he has had a bigger role in recent games. It does seem like there's not enough to go around right now though, so I wouldn't make re-signing him a priority. Allen is also impeding the development of Scott right now.

[Dresden]

PFF midseason divisional rankings by position group:

OT + blocking TEs

80.5 vikes
77.4 lions
71.3 pack
65.7 bears

IOL

69.8 lions
68.0 bears
60.5 vikes
57.2 pack

backs

80.5 lions
80.0 pack
70.9 vikes
62.8 bears

WR

70.1 vikes
69.6 lions
63.3 pack
62.8 bears

front 7

68.8 lions
65.3 vikes
64.2 bears
58.2 pack

secondary

69.8 lions
69.3 bears
68.6 pack
64.7 vikes

question is, how is the vikings defense head and shoulders best in the nfl w/o an abundance of standout individual performers?

This is why I don't put much stock in PFF grades. How the heck can the Bears IOL be 2nd best in the division, just a hair behind Detroit's? IOL is by far the biggest weakness on the team. It surely isn't WR, which is what these grades suggest.

[Dresden]

When Lovie Smith was fired, he gave the Bears a gift, but....

When Houston drafted Stroud #2 overall, they fired Smith and paired their prized rookie QB with a good HC/OC

When the Skins drafted JD #2 overall, they fired Rivera and paired their prized rookie QB with a good HC/OC.

What did Poles do? (And don't forget the Bears held the #1 pick in both of those drafts).

I think Flus has to go 6-3.....maybe 5-4 with some tough, close losses to keep his job IMO.

If the Bears finish no better than 6-11, I think Poles should be let go...maybe even 7-10 is worth moving on. If not, he would be on the lava seat regardless.

Each situation is different. Poles deserves at least another year to get things right. I don't think we're that far away. I think his biggest mistake has been not doing enough to upgrade the O line. And Waldron might be the bigger problem than Flus, although Flus has done enough to get canned right now too. But if the offense was at least average, the Bears might be 6-2 or 7-1 and everyone would be happy.

[dice]

When Lovie Smith was fired, he gave the Bears a gift, but....

When Houston drafted Stroud #2 overall, they fired Smith and paired their prized rookie QB with a good HC/OC

When the Skins drafted JD #2 overall, they fired Rivera and paired their prized rookie QB with a good HC/OC.

What did Poles do? (And don't forget the Bears held the #1 pick in both of those drafts).

I think Flus has to go 6-3.....maybe 5-4 with some tough, close losses to keep his job IMO.

If the Bears finish no better than 6-11, I think Poles should be let go...maybe even 7-10 is worth moving on. If not, he would be on the lava seat regardless.

hey, if there's a shot of poles getting canned after the season, let the losing commence!

[dice]

How the heck can the Bears IOL be 2nd best in the division, just a hair behind Detroit's? IOL is by far the biggest weakness on the team.

for starters, minny and the pack have IOLs that make the bears look like the chiefs

shelton, after a rough start, has rebounded to #9 in the league in IOL pass blocking (96 starting positions!). and that's ESPN's metric. 1 penalty and 1 sack allowed on the year. of course, we all know that jenkins is good when healthy. that leaves the RG position

the lions have a bad-performing G and their IOL backups have been atrocious

It surely isn't WR, which is what these grades suggest.

not sure what you've been watching, but i've seen lots of dropped passes and bad route running by bears receivers. certainly nobody playing well, though odunze has improved. chalk some of that up to bad chemistry w/ caleb and bad play calling if you want

[GinWeary]

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Billings out for the season.

[patryk7754]

I think eventually, once we get our main issues fixed (OL and coaching) the one over the edge/cherry on top move we will need to make is adding an elite DT. Veta Vea is the one that comes to mind. He's maybe the best run stuffer in the NFL and he's pretty good at rushing the passer. Pressure up the middle might be the most disruptive thing a defesen can do, and if we add that to Sweat and another above average DE, we'd be in pole position for a superbowl.

Mason Graham out of Michigan could be that guy too. He might go top 5. Reminds me a lot of Dexter Lawrence. Elite play recognition, has great patience, and is a flat out bully.

[madvillian]

How the heck can the Bears IOL be 2nd best in the division, just a hair behind Detroit's? IOL is by far the biggest weakness on the team.

for starters, minny and the pack have IOLs that make the bears look like the chiefs

shelton, after a rough start, has rebounded to #9 in the league in IOL pass blocking (96 starting positions!). and that's ESPN's metric. 1 penalty and 1 sack allowed on the year. of course, we all know that jenkins is good when healthy. that leaves the RG position

the lions have a bad-performing G and their IOL backups have been atrocious

It surely isn't WR, which is what these grades suggest.

not sure what you've been watching, but i've seen lots of dropped passes and bad route running by bears receivers. certainly nobody playing well, though odunze has improved. chalk some of that up to bad chemistry w/ caleb and bad play calling if you want

this is def not true. The one game ragnow missed glasgow slid over to center and Awosika started at guard. They did perfectly fine, didn't even miss a beat really. Only problem on the line in Detroit has been Decker's decline as he ages at RT. The interior is rock solid, there is no reality where Chicago is basically the same grade as Detroit on IOL, PFF grades are just one subjective measure. I'm sure there are others, like yards before contact, (4.4 average yards before contact for Gibbs) that show how good Detroit's line is. Montie is only at 2 yards before contact but he's a back that seeks out contact so I wouldn't read too much into that. They are able to spring Gibbs into the 2nd levelconsistently. I do not see that in Chicago with Swift, a similar type of back. In fact Swift is at only 2.2 yards before contact.

[Dresden]

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Billings out for the season.

He was the linchpin of our interior defense. Our defense is getting decimated by injuries. I hope Pickens is ready to show what he can do.

[patryk7754]

A lot of talk about replacing the HC and OC but replacing Washington with the right DC is just as important, imo. Robert Saleh is a must hire. He brings the same type of player's coach energy the Eberflus, but it seems to be better/less forced. But, more importantly, he's an elite defensive mind who has experience coaching Superbowl caliber defenses.

If we land Ben Johnson and Rober Saleh as our coaches, then we'd have an amazing foundation for what could be one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL

[Dresden]

How the heck can the Bears IOL be 2nd best in the division, just a hair behind Detroit's? IOL is by far the biggest weakness on the team.

for starters, minny and the pack have IOLs that make the bears look like the chiefs

shelton, after a rough start, has rebounded to #9 in the league in IOL pass blocking (96 starting positions!). and that's ESPN's metric. 1 penalty and 1 sack allowed on the year. of course, we all know that jenkins is good when healthy. that leaves the RG position

the lions have a bad-performing G and their IOL backups have been atrocious

It surely isn't WR, which is what these grades suggest.

not sure what you've been watching, but i've seen lots of dropped passes and bad route running by bears receivers. certainly nobody playing well, though odunze has improved. chalk some of that up to bad chemistry w/ caleb and bad play calling if you want

Maybe Shelton hasn't allowed many sacks, but how often is his man getting pressure on Caleb and forcing him out of the pocket? And how good is he at run blocking? Sacks allowed and penalties aren't the whole story. We've had a lot of trouble running the ball inside, and some of that has to fall on Shelton.

You have a point on WR's dropping balls. But I would guess they get a low grade simply because we aren't getting them the ball very often, which isn't really on them.

[Dresden]

I think eventually, once we get our main issues fixed (OL and coaching) the one over the edge/cherry on top move we will need to make is adding an elite DT. Veta Vea is the one that comes to mind. He's maybe the best run stuffer in the NFL and he's pretty good at rushing the passer. Pressure up the middle might be the most disruptive thing a defesen can do, and if we add that to Sweat and another above average DE, we'd be in pole position for a superbowl.

Mason Graham out of Michigan could be that guy too. He might go top 5. Reminds me a lot of Dexter Lawrence. Elite play recognition, has great patience, and is a flat out bully.

Hopefully we'll get to see a lot of Pickens the rest of the year now and find out if he's any good or not. But there are a number of DT's in the first round or two of this coming draft (projected) that could really help us. Billings, if I'm not mistaken, is not that young so isn't a long term answer anyway.