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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#221 » by prolific passer » Wed Apr 23, 2025 2:49 am

Way I look at Zion is that he gives you a legit #1 option which could help with Matas development and make him the #2 and Giddy can be his near triple double self in the flow of the game with his assists being better with having a guy like Zion to pass the ball to for buckets.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#222 » by PJSteven22 » Wed Apr 23, 2025 6:04 am

bullskokie wrote:G Giddey, Jones, Ball
G Huerter, Dosunmo
F Buzelis, Phillips, Terry
F Williamson, Smith
C Vucevic, Collins

When healthy all year… legit #6 and up to 2nd round.

Nah not enough shooting or defense.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#223 » by bullskokie » Wed Apr 23, 2025 12:06 pm

PJSteven22 wrote:
bullskokie wrote:G Giddey, Jones, Ball
G Huerter, Dosunmo
F Buzelis, Phillips, Terry
F Williamson, Smith
C Vucevic, Collins

When healthy all year… legit #6 and up to 2nd round.

Nah not enough shooting or defense.


Thats the best we could possibly do…
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#224 » by sco » Wed Apr 23, 2025 12:49 pm

bullskokie wrote:
PJSteven22 wrote:
bullskokie wrote:G Giddey, Jones, Ball
G Huerter, Dosunmo
F Buzelis, Phillips, Terry
F Williamson, Smith
C Vucevic, Collins

When healthy all year… legit #6 and up to 2nd round.

Nah not enough shooting or defense.


Thats the best we could possibly do…

I like:
Giddey, Jones/Ayo
Huerter, Ball
Matas, Terry
Zion, Phillips
Collins, Smith

I think we'd need to experiment with which G pairs best with this group and which C is more viable from 3 and gives D. But this would be exciting to watch. Still, the deal for Zion needs to be no more than Coby, #12 and Por 1st + filler. Coby likely becomes "old Coby" when you add a Zion to the mix...Zion pairs better with guys who are 3pt catch and shoot guys and defense guys...we have better options for that role than Coby (who's main strength is shooting off the dribble, and little else when the ball isn't in his hands).
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#225 » by sco » Wed Apr 23, 2025 12:51 pm

League Circles wrote:I'm probably against any specific plausible offer to get Zion. I wouldn't say Coby is untouchable for example, but I do think Coby is our most complementary player to his style, so I'd want to try to keep him. Maybe a deal with Giddey in a S&T plus more could be possible. But mostly I'm just injury-shy with him. Dealt with that enough with this org to last a lifetime.


I said this elsewhere, Coby likely becomes "old Coby" when you add a Zion to the mix...Zion pairs better with guys who are 3pt catch and shoot guys and defense guys...we have better options for that role than Coby (who's main strength is shooting off the dribble, and little else when the ball isn't in his hands). Especially if we had to choose between adding our '26 pick or Coby. Now NO doesn't really have a need for Coby, but they could trade CJ elsewhere for value and get younger with Coby.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#226 » by Red8911 » Wed Apr 23, 2025 3:19 pm

Other than Zion keep an eye on Giannis especially if they lose in the first round. Will most definitely take a lot more to than Zion to trade for him. Probably 5 years worth of picks and more.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#227 » by sco » Wed Apr 23, 2025 3:32 pm

Red8911 wrote:Other than Zion keep an eye on Giannis especially if they lose in the first round. Will most definitely take a lot more to than Zion to trade for him. Probably 5 years worth of picks and more.

I'd go 4 plus Coby. I'm not sure Giannis could/would force his destination, but if he wants a championship, it would probably be elsewhere, but if he liket he area, maybe.

I think teams like NY, MEM, LAL or DEN might go hard. NO could try to make a Zion deal. In any case, we should be all over the situation given our expirings and picks to come away with a secondary asset.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#228 » by jnrjr79 » Wed Apr 23, 2025 3:48 pm

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Red8911 wrote:Other than Zion keep an eye on Giannis especially if they lose in the first round. Will most definitely take a lot more to than Zion to trade for him. Probably 5 years worth of picks and more.

I'd go 4 plus Coby. I'm not sure Giannis could/would force his destination, but if he wants a championship, it would probably be elsewhere, but if he liket he area, maybe.

I think teams like NY, MEM, LAL or DEN might go hard. NO could try to make a Zion deal. In any case, we should be all over the situation given our expirings and picks to come away with a secondary asset.


I raised this in the trade thread, but does Milwaukee want Coby if they trade Giannis? I assume if they trade Giannis, they're basically going to try to move off all their big vets, tear it down, get a bunch of picks, etc. Maybe they take Coby simply as an expiring, but I wonder if they'd want to give him a new deal when he hits UFA.

I have a hard time seeing the Bulls putting together a competitive offer without including Matas.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#229 » by WindyCityBorn » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:10 pm

prolific passer wrote:Way I look at Zion is that he gives you a legit #1 option which could help with Matas development and make him the #2 and Giddy can be his near triple double self in the flow of the game with his assists being better with having a guy like Zion to pass the ball to for buckets.


For 35 games a season.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#230 » by prolific passer » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:13 pm

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prolific passer wrote:Way I look at Zion is that he gives you a legit #1 option which could help with Matas development and make him the #2 and Giddy can be his near triple double self in the flow of the game with his assists being better with having a guy like Zion to pass the ball to for buckets.


For 35 games a season.

Ok negative Nancy.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#231 » by drosestruts » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:18 pm

Red8911 wrote:Other than Zion keep an eye on Giannis especially if they lose in the first round. Will most definitely take a lot more to than Zion to trade for him. Probably 5 years worth of picks and more.


I'd be keeping an eye on Durant too.

I have no idea what it will cost to trade for Durant, but he's clearly the best player of the bunch. He's also the oldest, most expensive, and is not signed for very long.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#232 » by prolific passer » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:20 pm

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Red8911 wrote:Other than Zion keep an eye on Giannis especially if they lose in the first round. Will most definitely take a lot more to than Zion to trade for him. Probably 5 years worth of picks and more.


I'd be keeping an eye on Durant too.

I have no idea what it will cost to trade for Durant, but he's clearly the best player of the bunch. He's also the oldest, most expensive, and is not signed for very long.

No thanks to Durant. Been on too many teams as is for the last decade it seems. Also he's old and injured.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#233 » by drosestruts » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:22 pm

prolific passer wrote:Way I look at Zion is that he gives you a legit #1 option which could help with Matas development and make him the #2 and Giddy can be his near triple double self in the flow of the game with his assists being better with having a guy like Zion to pass the ball to for buckets.


I like the point about Zion kind of pushing everyone else down into what is probably a better and more natural place for them in terms of #1 option and things like that.

I like our young talent, but it's easy to look across the league and see that many teams top options came via trade:

Cleveland - Mitchell
Knicks - not a single player in their starting 5 was drafted by them
Pacers - Haliburton and Siakam
Thunder - SGA
Lakers - Luka and LeBron
Clippers - Kawhi and Harden


We're almost too young at this point. Some veteran talent that fits our roster would be very welcomed.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#234 » by bullskokie » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:24 pm

Getting Zion is doable, not so much for Giannis and id skip KD.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#235 » by prolific passer » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:26 pm

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prolific passer wrote:Way I look at Zion is that he gives you a legit #1 option which could help with Matas development and make him the #2 and Giddy can be his near triple double self in the flow of the game with his assists being better with having a guy like Zion to pass the ball to for buckets.


I like the point about Zion kind of pushing everyone else down into what is probably a better and more natural place for them in terms of #1 option and things like that.

I like our young talent, but it's easy to look across the league and see that many teams top options came via trade:

Cleveland - Mitchell
Knicks - not a single player in their starting 5 was drafted by them
Pacers - Haliburton and Siakam
Thunder - SGA
Lakers - Luka and LeBron
Clippers - Kawhi and Harden


We're almost too young at this point. Some veteran talent that fits our roster would be very welcomed.

Well you don't have to have aging all star veterans. Could get some solid role playing ones to help fill the roster out.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#236 » by Ice Man » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:30 pm

prolific passer wrote:Ok negative Nancy.


Well, that is the point. Nobody is debating his ability. I also don't think that anybody is disputing that we should trade for him, even if we gave up a lot, if we knew that he would average 60 games per season.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#237 » by prolific passer » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:33 pm

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prolific passer wrote:Ok negative Nancy.


Well, that is the point. Nobody is debating his ability. I also don't think that anybody is disputing that we should trade for him, even if we gave up a lot, if we knew that he would average 60 games per season.

He did play in 70 games last season so he can do it if he is motivated enough. He hasn't been motivated since joining the pels because of what they did to AD before they drafted him. So a change of scenery is the only thing that is left for him to save his career why is still young at like 23-24.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#238 » by jStuNNa » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:36 pm

I think Giannis is really the player to keep an eye on. I'm hoping for an Indiana sweep. However, any first round exit will increase the chances of Giannis wanting out.

The Bulls not have the best pieces to trade for him, but Giannis seems fond of the Bulls brand based on past comments. Plus, it's not a far move for him, and that matters to some people.

The Bulls did sign one of his brothers in the past as well :wink:
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#239 » by prolific passer » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:42 pm

jStuNNa wrote:I think Giannis is really the player to keep an eye on. I'm hoping for an Indiana sweep. However, any first round exit will increase the chances of Giannis wanting out.

The Bulls not have the best pieces to trade for him, but Giannis seems fond of the Bulls brand based on past comments. Plus, it's not a far move for him, and that matters to some people.

The Bulls did sign one of his brothers in the past as well :wink:

Giannis and the bucks did that to themselves. Fired Budenholzer after taking them to the best record in the league and Giannis was hurt and unavailable for the playoffs which is why they lost. Fired Griffin after a 30-13 start because the players just didn't like him for some reason. Guess winning doesn't cure anything for some franchises.
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Re: The Bulls should go all in for Zion 

Post#240 » by kodo » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:45 pm

Why would Giannis want to come to Chicago rather than a more guaranteed championship destination like CLE or NYK? I could see a top team like OKC not wanting to rock the boat, but NYK surely does the deal. Or Denver, or Houston.

Chicago is worse than Milwaukee, the team he'd be leaving.

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