Deng to GS PG.13 / PG.43 Bulls Say Otherwise

SpinninHouse · Post #241 » by **SpinninHouse** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:15 am

dougthonus wrote:
Irregular wrote:Bulls have a better chance at winning with younger athletic core, then a failed model that has resulted in getting Rose hurt, and putting an inefficient offensive team on the court that has no clear number 2 player!

Not to state the obvious in too stupid of a way, but the Bulls have a better chance to win with better players. Swapping Deng for a pick only works out if the pick/cap room yield better players than the ones they lose. Making this trade [or some other trade] doesn't necessarily solve the problem you are concerned with. It might not solve the problem and then also reduce the Bulls assets.

I have been saying this over and over. If the FO is convinced that the player they are drafting will be a legitimate #2, you have to make the trade. If you are not convinced, you don't make the trade. That is really all there is to it.

At some point we need to acquire a #2. If it's this draft, great. If it's not, we bide our time and see what opportunity in the future presents itself. Sometimes when doubtful, the best thing to do is pause and not do anything. If we need to sit on the sidelines this Thursday, we sit on the sidelines.

BIGGIEsmalls 23 · Post #242 » by **BIGGIEsmalls 23** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:29 am

I have said for weeks that Luol Deng is the Bulls most attractive asset to trade. I believed then & I believe now that he's the odd man out.

I would pull the trigger on the reported Warriors trade.

Red Larrivee · Post #243 » by **Red Larrivee** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:32 am

The Bulls I think want to be in a position to possibly get Barnes or Robinson. #7 doesn't do that, though I would love to have Jeremy Lamb.

The other problem with the Warriors deal is it doesn't save the Bulls the amount of $$$ they want. Sacramento can offer a money-saving deal because they're under the cap by a good bit.

I think if any major deal gets done it's Sacramento and Chicago, but even then it seems like a long shot.

dice · Post #244 » by **dice** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:33 am

dougthonus wrote:I'm not sure how much of Salmon's final year is guaranteed, but if it's none or close to none then Salmons + #5 for Deng crushes the GS offer. I'd think there's a pretty good shot that Sacramento would do that.

i dunno about that. salmons has fallen off a cliff the past couple of years

incoming salary - 23.6
outgoing - 27.6

even that mere 4 mil over 2 years in savings might marginally help us avoid lux tax this year (?), re-sign omer and/or taj. along with the potential in the draft pick might make make the deal worthwhile, but hardly something to be excited about

Vampire Diaries · Post #245 » by **Vampire Diaries** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:35 am

Hey Guys, Miami Heat fan here....

I am just a casual basketball fan. I watch the big televised games on tv during the regular season, highlights on sportscenter, and EVERY playoff game. I care more about the game itself than the other stuff (salaries, drafts, etc.), so I don't keep up with salary cap issues, team chemistry in the offseason. I have one question, because I'm a little confused....

Last I heard, Bulls were a contender. Rose goes down. Heat win title. Bulls look to trade Deng. HUH? I dont understand. From what I understood, Rose comes back next season, Bulls are contender again. Why is Deng getting traded? Better player coming in? Salary problems?

pb-ceo · Post #246 » by **pb-ceo** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:36 am

SpinninHouse wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
Irregular wrote:Bulls have a better chance at winning with younger athletic core, then a failed model that has resulted in getting Rose hurt, and putting an inefficient offensive team on the court that has no clear number 2 player!

Not to state the obvious in too stupid of a way, but the Bulls have a better chance to win with better players. Swapping Deng for a pick only works out if the pick/cap room yield better players than the ones they lose. Making this trade [or some other trade] doesn't necessarily solve the problem you are concerned with. It might not solve the problem and then also reduce the Bulls assets.

I have been saying this over and over. If the FO is convinced that the player they are drafting will be a legitimate #2, you have to make the trade. If you are not convinced, you don't make the trade. That is really all there is to it.

At some point we need to acquire a #2. If it's this draft, great. If it's not, we bide our time and see what opportunity in the future presents itself. Sometimes when doubtful, the best thing to do is pause and not do anything. If we need to sit on the sidelines this Thursday, we sit on the sidelines.

why? deng is not a #2. So the bulls don't need to get a #2 from trading him. I believe CHI wants to get younger and have the chance to get a legit #2. but would settle for just a young athletic wing.

Gray Poster · Post #247 » by **Gray Poster** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:38 am

WTF!! Trading Deng and getting no cap space and no top 5 pick? I would not be happy. I would be happy with a top 10 pick and cap space. Or trading Noah for a top 3 pick.

CHITOWNGREG · Post #248 » by **CHITOWNGREG** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:41 am

As bad as any trade outside of the top 5 and cap relief would be to me there could be something to this. If the Bulls traded pick #7 and the rights to the Bobcats pick back to the them. It could be a win if the Bulls want Barnes or Beal and the Cats keep there pick and stay in the top ten this yr. I still would pass but I do think the Bulls want to make moves and need to just doubt a rookie and no cap relif is the answer.

Fabo · Post #249 » by **Fabo** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:44 am

http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/22166 ... mid_Rumors

I found this at the realgm home page, apparently Deng's agent was told that Deng is not getting traded? I have no idea what that means in regards to how that could quickly change come draft day but if the bulls did tell that to the agent it might mean Deng is not going anywhere, especially amidst of all the rumors

jcuuofd · Post #250 » by **jcuuofd** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:52 am

People should keep in mind that Biedrins makes $9 million per year. That is very reasonable for a starting center in the NBA. His contract would be very easy to trade if the Bulls decided later in the season that they did not want him. A team like Portland with no good center might be willing to trade Batum for Biedrins.

If the Warriors wanted the Bulls to take on Richard Jefferson's contract that would be a deal killer because the Bulls would never be able to trade him if they had to.

Wonzo23 · Post #251 » by **Wonzo23** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:55 am

jcuuofd wrote:People should keep in mind that Biedrins makes $9 million per year. That is very reasonable for a starting center in the NBA. His contract would be very easy to trade if the Bulls decided later in the season that they did not want him. A team like Portland with no good center might be willing to trade Batum for Biedrins.

If the Warriors wanted the Bulls to take on Richard Jefferson's contract that would be a deal killer because the Bulls would never be able to trade him if they had to.

Batum for Biedrins? Are you kidding?

bullsnewdynasty · Post #252 » by **bullsnewdynasty** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:55 am

jcuuofd wrote:People should keep in mind that Biedrins makes $9 million per year. That is very reasonable for a starting center in the NBA. His contract would be very easy to trade if the Bulls decided later in the season that they did not want him. A team like Portland with no good center might be willing to trade Batum for Biedrins.

If the Warriors wanted the Bulls to take on Richard Jefferson's contract that would be a deal killer because the Bulls would never be able to trade him if they had to.

Yeah um Biedrins is awful...he is overpaid about $6 million per year.

jkudia · Post #253 » by **jkudia** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:56 am

Assume the golden state rumor happens and the bulls get 7.

If Charlotte did the rumored 2 for 4 and 24 swap with Cleveland, think they'd be interested in moving back from 4 to 7 to get their pick back?

Wonzo23 · Post #254 » by **Wonzo23** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:57 am

bullsnewdynasty wrote:
jcuuofd wrote:People should keep in mind that Biedrins makes $9 million per year. That is very reasonable for a starting center in the NBA. His contract would be very easy to trade if the Bulls decided later in the season that they did not want him. A team like Portland with no good center might be willing to trade Batum for Biedrins.

If the Warriors wanted the Bulls to take on Richard Jefferson's contract that would be a deal killer because the Bulls would never be able to trade him if they had to.

Yeah um Biedrins is awful...he is overpaid about $6 million per year.

Agreed, he has zero value. People should not look at him as an Asik type cuz he's so much worse than Asik defensively. He also is somehow a worse free throw shooter and worse rebounder.

Mech Engineer · Post #255 » by **Mech Engineer** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:58 am

IMO, the Bulls are not going to give up Deng for junk + a unknown draft pick as this trade suggests.
GS has to add a lot more before this trade gains any legs.

Vicino · Post #256 » by **Vicino** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:59 am

For those of you that say we shouldn't make this trade...how the hell else are we going to improve this ball-club?

This team will not beat Miami or even OKC, no way - And the people that say "hey we need to see what we have and let this team make another run" are basically consenting to throwing away a season without adding any kind of potential for the future. If the only thing you're relying on to get better is that Charlotte pick that we probably won't get for at least 3 years, good luck.

Many of you have said it and it cannot be emphasized enough, SELL HIGH! Deng will never again have this much value - but even his value right now is not worth another All-Star or even a top-4 pick, no matter how much we love what he does for this team he's just not.

Some of you are focusing on how much Deng does for us, and ideally we would keep him and be able to get a high pick by trading Boozer, but that's just not going to happen. Of-course no one knows whether we'll get a bona-fide #2 option at #7 (or whatever lottery pick we're able to get for Deng), but that's a risk you have to take 10/10 times.

After what Miami showed this postseason, even the Derrick of old cannot propel this team into the Finals. I don't want to have my head in my hands after next years conference Finals thinking "we have no young players getting better (besides maybe Rose), Deng's stock has fallen, and Boozer/Hamilton are one year older - Oh and we won't have any cap-space anytime soon."

GarPax love Deng just as much as anybody, and they know they'll piss off Thibs by trading him, but they fully realize that trading him is really the only option we have at this point.

We build around Derrick and Jo' and maybe Taj, with the rest of the roster we have to take chances. The risk of Lamb being a bust at #7 is more than worth the reward of him possibly being the #2 scorer/creator we need so badly.

Ralphb07 · Post #257 » by **Ralphb07** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:00 am

Was just told we're in 3 team talks with Utah n GS. I'll give details in a few guys. On my phone right now

blumeany · Post #258 » by **blumeany** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:03 am

Ralphb07 wrote:Was just told we're in 3 team talks with Utah n GS. I'll give details in a few guys. On my phone right now

We need to put a comma in there...
:lol:

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ChicaGOrilla06 · Post #259 » by **ChicaGOrilla06** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:03 am

jcuuofd wrote:People should keep in mind that Biedrins makes $9 million per year. That is very reasonable for a starting center in the NBA. His contract would be very easy to trade if the Bulls decided later in the season that they did not want him. A team like Portland with no good center might be willing to trade Batum for Biedrins.

If the Warriors wanted the Bulls to take on Richard Jefferson's contract that would be a deal killer because the Bulls would never be able to trade him if they had to.

$9 million per year is NOT reasonable when you're putting up Asik numbers:

Biedrins
2010-11: 5.0 ppg, 7.2 rebs, 0.9 blks
2011-12: 1.7 ppg, 3.7 rebs, 1.0 blks

Asik
2010-11: 2.8 ppg, 3.7 rebs, 0.7 blks
2011-12: 3.1 ppg, 5.3 rebs, 1.0 blks

Ralphb07 · Post #260 » by **Ralphb07** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:04 am

Boogy please don't post on twitter for realgm only