Omer Asik and Rockets agree to deal 3 years 25 million

[ballerkingn2]

Hollinger and Larry Coon just confirmed year 3 of Asik deal can be a maximum of $14.1 million.

Still its time for the Bulls to work out a sign and trade with Houston.

Asik + Brewer or Korver to Houston for Kevin Martin.

Aint wrong,try again

[AAU Teammate]

dbl post

[BigUps]

So the deal is 5/5.25/14 now

And that changes nothing.

[AAU Teammate]

Anyone know the center free agency pool this year? IF the Bulls let Asik go.

Thabeet
Camby
Turiaf
Powe

Powe is 6'8

[Judrix]

match it, move him trade deadline of year 2

[fleet]

This is the second beat writer to openly say this. Boozer is getting amnestied.

Doesn't exactly take sources to know that. It's the elephant in the room at this point.

But again, what KC, Nick and all these other beat writers aren't telling you is that with Rose, Noah, Asik, Teague, Butler and a re-signed Taj Gibson, the Bulls are going to be at $56-57M in salary, and won't have the room to fix their offense. You are going to have one of the most imbalanced rosters in the league and Rose will have zero offensive help.

they weren't fixing the offense anyway without trading Deng or Noah. Not happening. Defense was the only thing that saved the Bulls from hell. Once that D (as much as you deny its value to the team) is gone off the bench to bail out the starters, not only will the Bulls have their usual offensive problems, they will compound

The Bulls are reserving a seat in basketball hell if they match this contract. You do not bend your franchise over for a stiff backup center.

there you go again

[boogydown]

Save Taj while we can and resign him now.

Need to resign him or trade him this summer. Couple MMLE PF's we can sign if he doesn't want to be extended.

[Mech Engineer]

It is a regular argument people keep throwing out because it is an unknown. The argument is almost like you can find a backup center on the street and there will be a list of 20 names of guys who are 7 feet tall.

Just because Ryan Hollins is a 7 footer and a backup on a NBA team and played the same minutes/has same stats as Asik ...does that mean he can replace Asik and be effective in the playoffs against an elite team or when Noah is hurt?

[pduh01]

http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingblazers?UFA-C-Marcus-Camby-narrows-his-choices-t=1&blockID=733924&feedID=5212

forget about Camby he narrowed choices to Celtics, Spurs, Knicks, Mavs, and Heat.

Anyone know the center free agency pool this year? IF the Bulls let Asik go.

Greg Oden
Kwame Brown
Joel Pry

Those are the ones I know from top of my head, I honestly think we should target Kwame Brown, and then take Oden for the vet min 1 yr(I doubt Oden will take that.) and if he does it will be low risk/high reward if not Oden, then go after someone else.

But target Kwame Brown for a reasonable deal of course.

Unless we can get Chris Kaman.

[blumeany]

I say if they were ready to pay him 5 mil, match it. You then either trade or amnesty him before year three.

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[AirP.]

It'll be hard to let an asset go. I don't think they'll amnesty Boozer(~45 million for 3 years) but I think they'll definitely look to move Noah, Deng or Boozer to keep the most assets they can.

Look at it this way....
If you let Asik just go... you have Noah.
If you match Asik and move Noah for 2-3 smaller pieces would that be better for the team?

We're at a position where we could just lose an asset for nothing where as moving Noah or Deng for help elsewhere might be less of a hit for the team while keeping Asik.

[Red Larrivee]

they weren't fixing the offense anyway without trading Deng or Noah. Not happening. Defense was the only thing that saved the Bulls from hell. Once that D (as much as you deny its value to the team) is gone off the bench to bail out the starters, not only will the Bulls have their usual offensive problems, they will compound

The Bulls without Omer's $14M are $43-44M, with a soft cap that could be $60M, which gives you the room to absorb a big contract. It's a huge difference. The summer of 2014 is when Kevin Love might demand a trade out of Minnesota, since he'll have the leverage due to a three-year contract. Keep an eye on that situation.

Regardless, it's purely based on the logic that Omer Asik in no world is worth $14M a year. The contract is not as tradeable as some people in this thread are making it out to be. It's going to be poisonous and a bad contract the day it's signed.

We lost a prime Ben Gordon for nothing. Should I really be in tears that we lose Omer Asik for nothing?

[U boj]

I say if they were ready to pay him 5 mil, match it. You then either trade or amnesty him before year three.

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You can not amnesty him and trade is also pretty impossible if you are not taking trash on long term deals.

[bulletbill]

Why are people advocating keeping Omer saying that we can just move Noah? That means we're trading Noah for just expiring contracts now? So now we keep one bad deal to make another bad deal? Solely to keep an inferior player? Who at the time would be making more money than be an unrestricted free agent in a market that has clearly decided that centers will be overpaid? How is this a good thing? How is keeping Omer Asik smart? I don't see a way the Bulls keep him and not pay massive tax amounts (like LA Lakers high) or they lose better players down the road.

I think those that want to resign Omer / open to trading Noah, is about balancing the roster, ex. trade Noah for an SG (Gordon, Harden). Doubt anybody wants the B. Wallace/Tyson dump situation.

[Mech Engineer]

http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingblazers?UFA-C-Marcus-Camby-narrows-his-choices-t=1&blockID=733924&feedID=5212

forget about Camby he narrowed choices to Celtics, Spurs, Knicks, Mavs, and Heat.

Anyone know the center free agency pool this year? IF the Bulls let Asik go.

Greg Oden
Kwame Brown
Joel Pry

Those are the ones I know from top of my head, I honestly think we should target Kwame Brown, and then take Oden for the vet min 1 yr(I doubt Oden will take that.) and if he does it will be low risk/high reward if not Oden, then go after someone else.


But target Kwame Brown for a reasonable deal of course.

Unless we can get Chris Kaman.

I would be worried Kwame will injure Boozer in practice because Kwame will be on the second team.

[ManualRam]

I wonder if we can sign and trade him for lamb. That pick was a real head scratcher pick to me at the time,but maybe makes more sense if we can get him for omer which would be a bargin and a solid swap. Now if you recall we got offered omer for lee for sometime and always declined I wonder if they might now use lamb as the sacrificial lamb ha get it. Anyway not sure if its possible,but otherwise I say let him go. And we should go after either anthony randolph or mike beasley instead with the cap spaced opened. Use noah,boozer and taj at the 5 and we have extra length at the 4 or scoring with either randoplth or beasley. Just again my 2 cent,can't wait to see what happens and hopefully the bulls do the smart thing.

doubt it. they want to get rid of kevin martin.

i think a cheap option to explore is derrick's old teammate, joey dorsey. he's not a C, but is strong as hell and can hold his position in the post and is a solid defender overall. taj can shift to the back up C. he flamed out of the NBA but has improved overseas. not sure of his contract situation, but i think he'd want back in the NBA.

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[Red Larrivee]

It is a regular argument people keep throwing out because it is an unknown. The argument is almost like you can find a backup center on the street and there will be a list of 20 names of guys who are 7 feet tall.

Just because Ryan Hollins is a 7 footer and a backup on a NBA team and played the same minutes/has same stats as Asik ...does that mean he can replace Asik and be effective in the playoffs against an elite team or when Noah is hurt?

Ryan Hollins is an adequate backup. I would be fine with him compared to overpaying Asik. Backup center is not a position of importance. Asik has spoiled people into thinking it is and now the franchise is actually contemplating behding over for him.

If I told you two years ago that we'd be having a discussion about paying Omer Asik $14M for one year, what would you have said?

[fleet]

Why are people advocating keeping Omer saying that we can just move Noah? That means we're trading Noah for just expiring contracts now? So now we keep one bad deal to make another bad deal? Solely to keep an inferior player?

thats not what I'm saying. I'm saying that once you pay Asik, you have to spread the center money around to other positions. But you have no choice but to spend. If the Bulls decide not to spend more money (for the bench and the defense that bailed out the starters time and time again), then they are about to be a worse team no matter what. What I'm saying is, there is no way to stay as good without matching Omer. That killer defense was key to the Bulls, not the starting unit.

[DJhitek]

Isn't the last year BYC if he signs this deal? If that's the case, you can forget about trading that contract.

[MAQ]

I wonder if we can sign and trade him for lamb. That pick was a real head scratcher pick to me at the time,but maybe makes more sense if we can get him for omer which would be a bargin and a solid swap. Now if you recall we got offered omer for lee for sometime and always declined I wonder if they might now use lamb as the sacrificial lamb ha get it. Anyway not sure if its possible,but otherwise I say let him go. And we should go after either anthony randolph or mike beasley instead with the cap spaced opened. Use noah,boozer and taj at the 5 and we have extra length at the 4 or scoring with either randoplth or beasley. Just again my 2 cent,can't wait to see what happens and hopefully the bulls do the smart thing.

doubt it. they want to get rid of kevin martin.

i think a cheap option to explore is derrick's old teammate, joey dorsey. he's not a C, but is strong as hell and can hold his position in the post and is a solid defender overall. taj can shift to the back up C. he flamed out of the NBA but has improved overseas. not sure of his contract situation, but i think he'd want back in the NBA.

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Do you think they'd be interested in an Asik and Martin swap?