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Re: bulls draft cameron bairstow 

Post#241 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:21 pm

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Ralphb07 wrote:Since Boozer and Gibson are likely to both be gone if we land Melo we need some cheap NBA bodies off the bench. The MMLE will need to be used on a vet like big baby to start.

We'd have Rose, Butler, Melo, Big Baby and Noah with Kirk, Snell, Doug, Bairstow, Randolph and Smith isn't a bad bench. Young but young is not a bad thing. Melo and Doug can play small ball too. I'd expect Rose, Butler, Melo, Big Baby, Noah, Kirk, Snell and McDermott and Smith being the main 9 playing time wise.


Do not want Big Baby. I need took at FA PF's available - but I have to believe there is an alternative Davis.


Kris Humphries, Jordan Hill, or Jason Smith
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Re: bulls draft cameron bairstow 

Post#242 » by Stratmaster » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:31 pm

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Benedict Miller wrote:
The no step vertical reach is just as important.

Despite weighing more than all the power forwards listed. Check out some the names that Bairstow is greater than or equal to in this aspect.


Cameron Bairstow 11'6
Julius Randle 11'2.5
Patrick Young 11'3.5
Aaron Gordon 11'5.5
James McAdoo 11'4
Al Horford 11'6
Carl Landry 11'2
Tyler Hansbrough 11'1
Blake Griffin 11'5
Taj Gibson 11'2.5
Anthony Randolph 11'6
Michael Beasley 11'5
DeMarcus Cousins 11'4.5
Larry Sanders 11'5.5
Greg Smith 11'4
Erik Murphy 11'0.5

Bairstow is more likely to dunk alot at a standstill more than most power forwards if he catches the ball in the paint. [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MqyHqIovvs[/youtube] That combined with skills we see in this video.


He really has the full repertoire of post moves including that fadeaway crossing INTO the paint (as compared to the longer distance shots we are used to seeing from Bulls PF's when they can't get inside). He also looks effectively sneaky on the baseline without the ball. Scores from either side of the court and with either hand. What I didn't expect was the nice touch on his mid-range jumper, from the elbow and free throw extended. He looked very confident in shooting those if the defender sagged and gave him room. Question in my mind is how much of that post game is due to size advantage over the competition he was playing.


Not sure about the post moves. Definitely could be something that doesn't translate to the next level.

However, I think his ticket could be that jumper. He's a guy who you can put in the corner on the baseline and the opposing C or PF has to go with him because he is so money on that shot. That spreads the floor for Rose and others. The most exciting possibility is if he can just a few more feet of range and be a 45%+ 3 point shooter from the corner. In the new NBA, "3 and D" works for just about any position on the floor.


Agreed, I have the concern about his post effectiveness being mostly due to size advantage. From the draft position though, my expectation is if he sticks his playing time is going to be based on match-ups anyway. He may not be the throwaway pick you would have expected under the circumstances.
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Re: bulls draft cameron bairstow 

Post#243 » by Jahensle » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:09 pm

Due to the ridiculous depth of this draft, we made out IMO. Bairstow has early 2nd round late 1st in some drafts. :D
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Re: bulls draft cameron bairstow 

Post#244 » by Chitownbulls » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:22 pm

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Ralphb07 wrote:Since Boozer and Gibson are likely to both be gone if we land Melo we need some cheap NBA bodies off the bench. The MMLE will need to be used on a vet like big baby to start.

We'd have Rose, Butler, Melo, Big Baby and Noah with Kirk, Snell, Doug, Bairstow, Randolph and Smith isn't a bad bench. Young but young is not a bad thing. Melo and Doug can play small ball too. I'd expect Rose, Butler, Melo, Big Baby, Noah, Kirk, Snell and McDermott and Smith being the main 9 playing time wise.


Do not want Big Baby. I need took at FA PF's available - but I have to believe there is an alternative Davis.


Kris Humphries, Jordan Hill, or Jason Smith


Blatche, McRoberts, Shawn Marion, Jeff Adrien, Kenyon Martin, Emeka Okafor are a couple others available
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Post#245 » by rtblues » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:39 pm

He had 24/8 against a Wiggins/Embiid Kansas team.
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Post#246 » by DJHill » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:41 pm

Might have been a nice find here. Looks like a stronger, more physical version of Luis Scola.
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Post#247 » by LoveDaBoo » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:51 pm

Bairstow was really good this year. In fact, he was 8th in the NCAA in PER. McBuckets was second. FO clearly wanted guys who are ready, and they drafted two top-8 guys in PER.
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Post#248 » by Ralphb07 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:53 pm

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Ralphb07 wrote:Since Boozer and Gibson are likely to both be gone if we land Melo we need some cheap NBA bodies off the bench. The MMLE will need to be used on a vet like big baby to start.

We'd have Rose, Butler, Melo, Big Baby and Noah with Kirk, Snell, Doug, Bairstow, Randolph and Smith isn't a bad bench. Young but young is not a bad thing. Melo and Doug can play small ball too. I'd expect Rose, Butler, Melo, Big Baby, Noah, Kirk, Snell and McDermott and Smith being the main 9 playing time wise.


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Gibson is gone if we land Love who we will go for if we can't get Love.

If The Bulls can't talk the Knicks into it or find a 3rd team for Boozer, Gibson is gone.
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Re: bulls draft cameron bairstow 

Post#249 » by ManualRam » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:00 pm

musketeer wrote:Not sure about the post moves. Definitely could be something that doesn't translate to the next level.

However, I think his ticket could be that jumper. He's a guy who you can put in the corner on the baseline and the opposing C or PF has to go with him because he is so money on that shot. That spreads the floor for Rose and others. The most exciting possibility is if he can just a few more feet of range and be a 45%+ 3 point shooter from the corner. In the new NBA, "3 and D" works for just about any position on the floor.


good eye. while he does post extremely hard, probably was the most physical player i saw in college at establishing position, i don't see a whole lot of his post repertoire translating. it's good that he's comfortable turning over either shoulder for that turnaround. i just don't know if he gets enough elevation and separation for those shots to be effective in the nba. he is comfortable using either hand, so i could see the occasional deep position jump hook working. his physicality works there because he knows how to punch his defender before getting off a hook. he could possibly take advantage of a physically weak, jumpy big trying to check him because he does have nice fakes.
i do like his ability to shoot across the lane, so maybe we could see him in some mid-post action where he can turn, face and wheel across the lane for shots.
overall, i see him being more effective facing up his opponent than with his back to the basket.
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Re: bulls draft cameron bairstow 

Post#250 » by musketeer » Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:14 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:
theanimal23 wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:Since Boozer and Gibson are likely to both be gone if we land Melo we need some cheap NBA bodies off the bench. The MMLE will need to be used on a vet like big baby to start.

We'd have Rose, Butler, Melo, Big Baby and Noah with Kirk, Snell, Doug, Bairstow, Randolph and Smith isn't a bad bench. Young but young is not a bad thing. Melo and Doug can play small ball too. I'd expect Rose, Butler, Melo, Big Baby, Noah, Kirk, Snell and McDermott and Smith being the main 9 playing time wise.


1. I hope you're doing better. Best wishes to you.

2. Does it seem highly likely from what you are hearing, that Gibson will be gone? (Versus S&T)

3. Any input on our back-up plan? Any rumblings about Love?



Gibson is gone if we land Love who we will go for if we can't get Love.

If The Bulls can't talk the Knicks into it or find a 3rd team for Boozer, Gibson is gone.


So the Bulls would fe fine amnestying Boozer and including Gibson in a sign and trade for Melo?

Am I understanding you correctly?

If so, who plays PF? Just Mirotic and a cheap backup?
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Post#251 » by Costa78 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:27 pm

bigfan26 wrote:Anyone know how he plays defense? I saw a couple blocks but they didn't show much else.

If he's at least better than boozer on defense this year we could use him.


He doesn't have great lateral quickness but will provide max effort. He is not Boozer bad by any stretch. He will take charges and play some decent Help D.
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Post#252 » by EastBayFJ » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:40 pm

Will sorta be like when we lost AD that pacelled with Eddy Curry's sign an trade to the Knicks
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Re: bulls draft cameron bairstow 

Post#253 » by MisterRoy » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:00 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:Since Boozer and Gibson are likely to both be gone if we land Melo we need some cheap NBA bodies off the bench. The MMLE will need to be used on a vet like big baby to start.

We'd have Rose, Butler, Melo, Big Baby and Noah with Kirk, Snell, Doug, Bairstow, Randolph and Smith isn't a bad bench. Young but young is not a bad thing. Melo and Doug can play small ball too. I'd expect Rose, Butler, Melo, Big Baby, Noah, Kirk, Snell and McDermott and Smith being the main 9 playing time wise.


We were talking about this at work yesterday and Big Baby came up as an option. I would be interested in what he and Granger would be looking for since they both opted out.
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Post#254 » by JohnnyKILLroy » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:25 pm

We should call him Dingo.

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Post#255 » by wonderboy2 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:32 pm

This is the full game of Cameron Bairstow dominating Kansas this year.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK-wSDmG5pY
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Re: bulls draft cameron bairstow 

Post#256 » by JohnnyKILLroy » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:33 pm

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musketeer wrote:Not sure about the post moves. Definitely could be something that doesn't translate to the next level.

However, I think his ticket could be that jumper. He's a guy who you can put in the corner on the baseline and the opposing C or PF has to go with him because he is so money on that shot. That spreads the floor for Rose and others. The most exciting possibility is if he can just a few more feet of range and be a 45%+ 3 point shooter from the corner. In the new NBA, "3 and D" works for just about any position on the floor.


good eye. while he does post extremely hard, probably was the most physical player i saw in college at establishing position, i don't see a whole lot of his post repertoire translating. it's good that he's comfortable turning over either shoulder for that turnaround. i just don't know if he gets enough elevation and separation for those shots to be effective in the nba. he is comfortable using either hand, so i could see the occasional deep position jump hook working. his physicality works there because he knows how to punch his defender before getting off a hook. he could possibly take advantage of a physically weak, jumpy big trying to check him because he does have nice fakes.
i do like his ability to shoot across the lane, so maybe we could see him in some mid-post action where he can turn, face and wheel across the lane for shots.
overall, i see him being more effective facing up his opponent than with his back to the basket.


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Post#257 » by Vintage » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:37 pm

He's a better prospect than Murphy.

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Post#258 » by theanimal23 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:32 am

I hope we look at Josh McRoberts as a potential PF.
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Post#259 » by GimmeDat » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:49 am

I'm looking forward to seeing him get an opportunity in Summer League. Should get plenty of touches down low to show off the post game, and he should be a man amongst boys against most of the SL bigs.
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Post#260 » by othawhitemeat » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:20 am

wonderboy2 wrote:I've seen bairstow play a couple of times and the only comparison that came to mind was Scola. The guys is a beast. I wanted Either bairstow,dinwiddie, or Jordan Bacynski. What I like about Baistow is that he gets to the line at a very high rate. I also like that he improves his game every year.


Same thing here except Bairstow can post up with a fade-away jumper while Scola was right hand hook or up-and-under. I do think Bairstow will be able to post in the NBA due to lack of size in today's NBA and a fade-away jumper. He just needs to make his moves a little more fluid and less mechanical. However, I think we have a second round steal here folks. Plus teams will not be able to post him up very well either.

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