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Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July"

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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#241 » by othawhitemeat » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:34 pm

musiqsoulchild wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:lol musiq's team is worse than the Cavs now.


If LeBron leaves the Cavs, there are only 2 teams that are faves from the East to come out:

Boston
Philly

Add, whichever team LeBron is in ( Cleveland, Philly, Boston or any other East team).

Now, if LeBron were to join the Bulls, then there are ONLY 2 teams that would be fighting it out for the East:

Boston
Chicago

Milwaukee, Philly, Toronto are all irrelevant when it comes to going against our roster + LeBron.

I am not saying he would choose us. I am saying if he did, we'd win the East in Season 1 of LeBron joining us.

LeBron brings with him a ton of riches. He will construct the team in a way that allows him to beat Boston and GSW. Winning the East is easy. Beating Warriors is not.

If LeBron joins us, then I can see us re-setting our entire roster into a 5 year window. So, trading #7 pick + Lauri for Kawahi is definitely on. And adding on good players on bad salaries is also on.

You cant apply the same roster. You have to think about a massive roster churn. Thats the effect that LeBron has on a team. Its the same effect that max cap space had on us in 2010.


Lebron on Pacers would be good if Oladipo can share spotlight.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#242 » by musiqsoulchild » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:55 am

othawhitemeat wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:lol musiq's team is worse than the Cavs now.


If LeBron leaves the Cavs, there are only 2 teams that are faves from the East to come out:

Boston
Philly

Add, whichever team LeBron is in ( Cleveland, Philly, Boston or any other East team).

Now, if LeBron were to join the Bulls, then there are ONLY 2 teams that would be fighting it out for the East:

Boston
Chicago

Milwaukee, Philly, Toronto are all irrelevant when it comes to going against our roster + LeBron.

I am not saying he would choose us. I am saying if he did, we'd win the East in Season 1 of LeBron joining us.

LeBron brings with him a ton of riches. He will construct the team in a way that allows him to beat Boston and GSW. Winning the East is easy. Beating Warriors is not.

If LeBron joins us, then I can see us re-setting our entire roster into a 5 year window. So, trading #7 pick + Lauri for Kawahi is definitely on. And adding on good players on bad salaries is also on.

You cant apply the same roster. You have to think about a massive roster churn. Thats the effect that LeBron has on a team. Its the same effect that max cap space had on us in 2010.


Lebron on Pacers would be good if Oladipo can share spotlight.


But it's Indiana. And that is not happening.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#243 » by othawhitemeat » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:31 am

musiqsoulchild wrote:
othawhitemeat wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
If LeBron leaves the Cavs, there are only 2 teams that are faves from the East to come out:

Boston
Philly

Add, whichever team LeBron is in ( Cleveland, Philly, Boston or any other East team).

Now, if LeBron were to join the Bulls, then there are ONLY 2 teams that would be fighting it out for the East:

Boston
Chicago

Milwaukee, Philly, Toronto are all irrelevant when it comes to going against our roster + LeBron.

I am not saying he would choose us. I am saying if he did, we'd win the East in Season 1 of LeBron joining us.

LeBron brings with him a ton of riches. He will construct the team in a way that allows him to beat Boston and GSW. Winning the East is easy. Beating Warriors is not.

If LeBron joins us, then I can see us re-setting our entire roster into a 5 year window. So, trading #7 pick + Lauri for Kawahi is definitely on. And adding on good players on bad salaries is also on.

You cant apply the same roster. You have to think about a massive roster churn. Thats the effect that LeBron has on a team. Its the same effect that max cap space had on us in 2010.


Lebron on Pacers would be good if Oladipo can share spotlight.


But it's Indiana. And that is not happening.

No doubt. Just think that would be a dangerous team. Turmer, Oladipo, and other versatile options.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#244 » by Onibuh » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:32 am

Bulls to be a factor could just mean that Bulls have Cap Space and can take Advantage of the Lakers Clearing some Cap Space. Deng and Ingram would free up lots of Money with the return being someone like Holiday. Bulls draft a big and have a young starting lineup with potential.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#245 » by Drellberg » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:11 pm

In the pantheon of LeBron James fans, I likely reside in the top 5%. Still, I do not think he will be as coveted as others believe.

He turns 34 in December. I think he'll want to finish his career in Cleveland, and that makes sense especially if he wants to break all standing NBA career records, which he has a legitimate shot at doing. I do not imagine that he wants to see the cupboard in Cleveland left bare, so I could even imagine him opting into his contract with the knowledge that he'll be traded for some assets for the Cavs.

As such, my sense is that LBJ is a 2-year rental, and even on the second year he'll want to be able to opt out. I think that arrangement actually works to everyone's advantage, because from age 36 or perhaps 37 onward he will be working more on his legacy than on winning championships.

If I were a GM, I would be very cautious. I think it makes sense for LBJ to go to Houston, since they are in a win-now window, or for LBJ to stay in Cleveland. I am less sure that Philly should pull the trigger and my sense of Danny Ainge in Boston is that he gets the better end of every deal -- I cannot imagine him radically changing course for a one- or two-year Hail Mary swing for the fences.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#246 » by erlim » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:21 pm

Drellberg wrote:In the pantheon of LeBron James fans, I likely reside in the top 5%. Still, I do not think he will be as coveted as others believe.

He turns 34 in December. I think he'll want to finish his career in Cleveland, and that makes sense especially if he wants to break all standing NBA career records, which he has a legitimate shot at doing. I do not imagine that he wants to see the cupboard in Cleveland left bare, so I could even imagine him opting into his contract with the knowledge that he'll be traded for some assets for the Cavs.

As such, my sense is that LBJ is a 2-year rental, and even on the second year he'll want to be able to opt out. I think that arrangement actually works to everyone's advantage, because from age 36 or perhaps 37 onward he will be working more on his legacy than on winning championships.

If I were a GM, I would be very cautious. I think it makes sense for LBJ to go to Houston, since they are in a win-now window, or for LBJ to stay in Cleveland. I am less sure that Philly should pull the trigger and my sense of Danny Ainge in Boston is that he gets the better end of every deal -- I cannot imagine him radically changing course for a one- or two-year Hail Mary swing for the fences.


If Winhorst says we have enough to land Kawhi, and if we somehow signed Lebron; those two guys and a Paxson styled roster of steady contributors would still get swepped by the Warriors in a seven game series.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#247 » by musiqsoulchild » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:27 pm

Drellberg wrote:In the pantheon of LeBron James fans, I likely reside in the top 5%. Still, I do not think he will be as coveted as others believe.

He turns 34 in December. I think he'll want to finish his career in Cleveland, and that makes sense especially if he wants to break all standing NBA career records, which he has a legitimate shot at doing. I do not imagine that he wants to see the cupboard in Cleveland left bare, so I could even imagine him opting into his contract with the knowledge that he'll be traded for some assets for the Cavs.

As such, my sense is that LBJ is a 2-year rental, and even on the second year he'll want to be able to opt out. I think that arrangement actually works to everyone's advantage, because from age 36 or perhaps 37 onward he will be working more on his legacy than on winning championships.

If I were a GM, I would be very cautious. I think it makes sense for LBJ to go to Houston, since they are in a win-now window, or for LBJ to stay in Cleveland. I am less sure that Philly should pull the trigger and my sense of Danny Ainge in Boston is that he gets the better end of every deal -- I cannot imagine him radically changing course for a one- or two-year Hail Mary swing for the fences.


From a basketball perspective, I might agree. But for any franchise, getting LeBron = MAD, MAD MONEY! Thats important and will be a factor till the last day he retires.

Now about the basketball: If he stays in the East, then he extends his useful basketball life until age 39 or 40. If he moves to the West, he is just one among a few really good players.

It's why I think he will stay on in the East.
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#248 » by ATRAIN53 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:19 pm

I'm scared were looking at Nurkic in POR
We DID technically draft that guy in 2014 before trading him. So they scouted and know him well.
They may let him walk and opt for developing Collins.

LeBron.....
You know for years we wondered why Pippen was defending LeBron and not laying the smack down when people compared him to MJ.

I didn't realize it was because they had kids the same age who are both bball prodigies.
I also never realized LeBron wants to play with his kid in the NBA

He's gotta get Bronny Jr on the fast track to be drafted as a FR, age is a factor here.
So committing his kid and then him, Scottie and KMart hanging at Sierra Canyon games WILL attract scouts and put Bronny in best position to succeed quickly. This is gonna be like when USC Football dominated and celebs all over the sidelines. Remember Snoop trying to get his kid to the NFL.....

If they can get Dennis Rodfman Jr to transfer up there........

People have no idea how bad MJ wanted to see Marcus or Jeffrey make it in the NBA.
It killed him they didn't.

This is the one place LeBron can one up the GOAT :o
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Re: Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July" 

Post#249 » by cubd8 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:06 pm

Rowland Garrett wrote:I can't say I'm "pro signing LeBron." But I'm sure if we could it would be great. I know many of you were too young during the Jordan years, but I can assure you there was not a more hated player by Bull fans than Denis Rodman. Yet we came to accept and love him. So yes, LeBron could find that on the Bulls as well.

Do I think LeBron would come here? Maybe a 1.7 % chance.

Thinking about it though. Draft Mikal Bridges and then the team looks like a great fit.

Dunn/Bridges
LeBron/Markkanen
Lopez

Porter/Holliday/Payne/Valentine plus any ring chasers.


Why would you not be in favor of signing LeBron?

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