Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[dpucane]

Ntilikina and Courtney Lee for Jabari

I'd 100% do this if Knicks were willing to. None of the 2019 FA's interest me anyway aside from KD who has no interest in coming here.

[Onibuh]

Do we have anything to give for Jaylen Brown? I'd Play him at the 3.

BOS already has anything and Lauri is the piece I wouldn't move. Portis is not going to get it done

[dpucane]

Do we have anything to give for Jaylen Brown? I'd Play him at the 3.

BOS already has anything and Lauri is the piece I wouldn't move. Portis is not going to get it done

They'd do it for the pick but no thank you

[sco]

Do we have anything to give for Jaylen Brown? I'd Play him at the 3.

BOS already has anything and Lauri is the piece I wouldn't move. Portis is not going to get it done

They'd do it for the pick but no thank you

Portis plus a top 10 protected 2020 1st.

[StunnerKO]

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[sco]

What about Holiday for Chriss, Anthony and Houston's 1st (which will be better than originally thought). We can buy-out Anthony (or keep him as a mentor for Parker - LOL).

[Repeat 3-peat]

I mentioned this weeks ago and still think it's a worthy swap of end of the rotation players.

Payne to Suns for Troy Daniels.

Suns add a PG to the roster and the Bulls acquire a shooter.

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[RakimAbdulJabar]

Do we have anything to give for Jaylen Brown? I'd Play him at the 3.

BOS already has anything and Lauri is the piece I wouldn't move. Portis is not going to get it done

I'm a huge fan of Brown and believe he will be a multiple time allstar.

I wouldn't hesitate to include Markkanen IF we could lock up Brown on a long term reasonable contract.

I'd look at a deal of Markkanen, Payne and Valentine for Brown, Rozier and Ojeleye but doubt the Celtics would be interested

I'd start both Rozier and Brown

I'd be looking to deal everyone else on the team for expiring contracts so we could be players in the 2019 free agency market

I'd be OK with keeping Dunn and Carter Jr, assuming I can't get a good deal for LaVine I'd probably just keep him too

I want to see a young, athletic, scrappy team that can knock down 3's and finish strong.

Leonard and Brown on the same team would be sick.

[N.O.R.E.]

With the latest news re Jabari, what do you fellow armchair GM's think about the following deal (which includes the Wall to NY nonsense) :

Bulls give: Jabari, 2nd
Receive: protected '19 NYK 1st (let's say top 8-10), C. Lee, L. Thomas

The Bulls take on salary for a 1st. Lance Thomas is only partially guaranteed and Lee should be easily movable. We also help feed the KD to Knicks pipe dream...

Wiz give: Wall, Porter, Markieff
Receive: Frank, Jabari (EC), Skal, Hezonja (EC), Z bo (EC - cut), Bulls 2nd

The Wiz slash $50 million off the books going forward and add a young defensive guard who hopefully would be part of the core alongside Beal going forward. Ironically the Wiz could talk themselves into a KD come home pipe dream with newfound flexibility...


Knicks give: Frank, '19 top 8-10 protected 1st, Hezonja, C. Lee, L. Thomas
Receive: John Wall, J. Jackson, Markieff Morris (EC)

The Knicks land a star at a fairly low price asset-wise. They also pick up a cheap wing to take a look at along with a vet who provides fake hustle and muscle on an expiring deal. With Wall, KP and *Knox (*or star player acquired for package based around he and perhaps timmy hardaway, who's value is decent atm).


Kings give: Skal, Jackson, cash, Z bo, Shump
Receive: Otto Porter

Kings gain a starter on a huge contract who could be a decent contributor for a playoff push. They also cut the glut up front somewhat...

[ralphisBullsFan]

When will the Bulls start seriously shopping Holiday? KCP at 12m and Trevor Ariza at 20m are both getting interest and being talked about, at less than 5m Holiday is putting up better numbers than both. The Rockets seem desperate and will probably overpay for the shooter they are looking for, if the Bull's FO keeps stalling the Rockets might just take KCP and we'll miss out on an even better deal the Rocket's would'v given for Holiday.

The FO can't mess this up

[RastaBull]

When will the Bulls start seriously shopping Holiday? KCP at 12m and Trevor Ariza at 20m are both getting interest and being talked about, at less than 5m Holiday is putting up better numbers than both. The Rockets seem desperate and will probably overpay for the shooter they are looking for, if the Bull's FO keeps stalling the Rockets might just take KCP and we'll miss out on an even better deal the Rocket's would'v given for Holiday.

The FO can't mess this up

I don't think Holiday alone would net you a 1st, which is what I'm assuming the Bulls are itching for in any trade of Holiday or Portis. You'd have to take on another contract. Where would your threshold be on taking another contract?

I was thinking Holiday to Pelicans for Solomon Hill (13 mil next year) + Pels top 10 protected first. (We'd have to add another 2 mil in ... so we could throw in Cam Payne to make it work. Sure Archie would at least have SOME value, but his salary is not enough alone)

WHY PELS DO IT:
Holiday (and Payne) expires. So No salary taken on. Holiday will play very good defense at SF, part of Gentry's team identity. He'll hit open shots, big part of the identity with Jrue and AD sucking ALL the attention. A plus in tradeoff of talent (Hill does nothing). Start Justin for better matchup on opponents forwards than Moore, let Moore backup both guard spots and still be able to go small with Payton/Jrue/Moore for stretches.

Not to mention, Holiday brothers already have some chemistry you'd think (just a lil plus).

But big thing is moving Hill's salary. They have ONE MORE YEAR to take the final step for AD pitch (of course, supermax is on table so that COULD be enough, but AD wants a real winner). Right now, they'll have 87 mil on roster in 2019, at project 109 cap = 22 mil in space. No max players, gonna have to piece together good deals again like they have been (not enough for a real winner).

Get rid of Hill and you can show AD you going big time for him. They'd have 35 mil in cap space. They can max a 7-9 year pro (~32 mil). That's Klay, Jimmy, Kwahi, Cousins, Kemba. KLAY THOMPSON! If I'm the Pels I want KLAY badly (he has ties to Gentry from GS so leg up on most teams). He'd be fire in a lineup with AD and Jrue.

10+ yea pros will be ~38 mil. Pels could even get Durant to come for a visit (and if serious, offload Jahlil and another scrub to give the room for a max ... or if Randle declines his 9 mil player option they have enough room).

You add Klay or Butler to AD and Jrue, and I THAT IS ABSOLUTELY a title contender. Make some smart vet decisions around it and you will go toe-to-toe with Hous/GS/LebLakers/Clips(KD+Kawhi).

AND THIS IS WHERE JUSTIN HOLIDAY COMES BACK INTO VALUE ... when you are making pitches, you wanna show playoff tape. Wanna show you got made a fight in playoffs WITHOUT Klay/Jimmy. You got some pretty awesome tape from last year. But you don't want to miss the playoffs this year. Holiday for Hill isn't game changing for a title... but it could make a difference for playoff spot.

Payne is a throw away to make salaries work ... prolly never play with them, and off book anyways.

WHY BULLS DO IT:
Another 1st. Tank. So we get a top 5 pick + a Pels pick between 12 and 22. Maybe Pels still just miss playoffs (West is crazy fight to the end), so we get a second lotto (and why you make it top 10/12 protected, not lotto protected). If Pels make playoffs, pick drops to 18/19 automatically because East is so bad. Maybe they rise to 5th/6th seed like last year and we get 21st pick or something. Still a decent asset.

If we do nothing, with Jabari gone, we are at 53 mil next year. That 54 mil in cap. Enough for one max and a bunch of extra change. This FO is absolute trash, the Bulls have put on the most embarrassing season of any team so far ... Klay, Butler, KD, none of prime time dudes are coming. We have no real pitch except the 6 rings/legacy. Even adding Hill, we still have 41 in cap. We can still throw big money at Tobias Harris if we want, or Middleton, AND resign Portis to a fair deal if you like (or haven't traded him).

Hill comes of the next season, if all you do is sign a Tobias Harris, it's just him and Lavine on books 2020, and rookie deals still with Lauri, Carter, Hutch ... (I'd pray we found way to buy out or offload Felicio's final year haha).

[ATRAIN53]

What about WCJ for Jaylen Brown straight up?

I think Ainge might bite on that, they could use his size and Jaylen is signed for 2 more years.

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[Pelon chingon]

Kings fan here: what's up windy city! Holiday seems like he could be a nice fit in Sacramento I think he would help us force more TO's and get us more fast break pts. How much value does he hold with the bulls? I see hes approaching 30 and expiring but he could help us indiana Jones ourselves into the western playoffs. Thx in advance.

[sco]

Kings fan here: what's up windy city! Holiday seems like he could be a nice fit in Sacramento I think he would help us force more TO's and get us more fast break pts. How much value does he hold with the bulls? I see hes approaching 30 and expiring but he could help us indiana Jones ourselves into the western playoffs. Thx in advance.

I'd do Holiday/Felicio for Koufos and your 2nd pick. Gets out of 2 years of Felicio's contract which isn't terrible, but may help signing a FA.

[GimmeDat]

Kings fan here: what's up windy city! Holiday seems like he could be a nice fit in Sacramento I think he would help us force more TO's and get us more fast break pts. How much value does he hold with the bulls? I see hes approaching 30 and expiring but he could help us indiana Jones ourselves into the western playoffs. Thx in advance.

I think, looking at your roster, there's not a great middle-ground to be found on trading players - I don't hold Mason or Skal with much value, and the next step up is someone like Giles, which I would assume would be a vast overpay in your eyes. I just forgot Justin Jackson, again I'm not really a fan, but he's on a rookie scale deal, maybe he's the closest value in that regard.

That said, you've got some 2nd round picks there. Could help bridge value gaps in deals.

I think these are the offers that I would take as a Bulls fan -

- Skal, ORL 2nd, MIN 2nd for Holiday

- J.Jackson and one 2nd rounder for Holiday

- Giles for Portis, Holiday, and maybe something extra?

[Pelon chingon]

Kings fan here: what's up windy city! Holiday seems like he could be a nice fit in Sacramento I think he would help us force more TO's and get us more fast break pts. How much value does he hold with the bulls? I see hes approaching 30 and expiring but he could help us indiana Jones ourselves into the western playoffs. Thx in advance.

I think, looking at your roster, there's not a great middle-ground to be found on trading players - I don't hold Mason or Skal with much value, and the next step up is someone like Giles, which I would assume would be a vast overpay in your eyes. I just forgot Justin Jackson, again I'm not really a fan, but he's on a rookie scale deal, maybe he's the closest value in that regard.

That said, you've got some 2nd round picks there. Could help bridge value gaps in deals.

I think these are the offers that I would take as a Bulls fan -

- Skal, ORL 2nd, MIN 2nd for Holiday

- J.Jackson and one 2nd rounder for Holiday

- Giles for Portis, Holiday, and maybe something extra?

Not feeling including any picks from Sac, I'm willing to trade Mason straight up for Holiday though.

[GimmeDat]

Kings fan here: what's up windy city! Holiday seems like he could be a nice fit in Sacramento I think he would help us force more TO's and get us more fast break pts. How much value does he hold with the bulls? I see hes approaching 30 and expiring but he could help us indiana Jones ourselves into the western playoffs. Thx in advance.

I think, looking at your roster, there's not a great middle-ground to be found on trading players - I don't hold Mason or Skal with much value, and the next step up is someone like Giles, which I would assume would be a vast overpay in your eyes. I just forgot Justin Jackson, again I'm not really a fan, but he's on a rookie scale deal, maybe he's the closest value in that regard.

That said, you've got some 2nd round picks there. Could help bridge value gaps in deals.

I think these are the offers that I would take as a Bulls fan -

- Skal, ORL 2nd, MIN 2nd for Holiday

- J.Jackson and one 2nd rounder for Holiday

- Giles for Portis, Holiday, and maybe something extra?

Not feeling including any picks from Sac, I'm willing to trade Mason straight up for Holiday though.

I think that's what we'll be looking for (pick(s)/prospect). I don't think Mason holds any value for us, don't see how he's any better than Arcidiacono or Harrison.

I think worst case scenario we get a good 2nd for him.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Parker for Fultz and Chandler

[Pelon chingon]

I think, looking at your roster, there's not a great middle-ground to be found on trading players - I don't hold Mason or Skal with much value, and the next step up is someone like Giles, which I would assume would be a vast overpay in your eyes. I just forgot Justin Jackson, again I'm not really a fan, but he's on a rookie scale deal, maybe he's the closest value in that regard.

That said, you've got some 2nd round picks there. Could help bridge value gaps in deals.

I think these are the offers that I would take as a Bulls fan -

- Skal, ORL 2nd, MIN 2nd for Holiday

- J.Jackson and one 2nd rounder for Holiday

- Giles for Portis, Holiday, and maybe something extra?

Not feeling including any picks from Sac, I'm willing to trade Mason straight up for Holiday though.

I think that's what we'll be looking for (pick(s)/prospect). I don't think Mason holds any value for us, don't see how he's any better than Arcidiacono or Harrison.

I think worst case scenario we get a good 2nd for him.

I dont believe anyone gives up a good second for him but I could be wrong.