NBA Trade Thread

Bulls Fan 23 · Post #241 » by **Bulls Fan 23** » Wed Dec 4, 2019 8:11 am

nzahir wrote:How do you guys value Arcidiacono?

Lakers offer Daniels and Talen Horton Tucker. Would you take it?

Yes

sco · Post #242 » by **sco** » Wed Dec 4, 2019 9:11 pm

nzahir wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:
nzahir wrote:How do you guys value Arcidiacono?

Lakers offer Daniels and Talen Horton Tucker. Would you take it?

The coaching staff and front office loves him and so does the fanbase. Statistically, he doesn't bring much to the table. The saying "his contributions don't show up in the box score" is an overused cliche but in this case, it actually holds some truth. I don't think they'd have interest in Daniels, so this would be completely dependent on how they view Horton Tucker as a prospect. I always saw him as a sleeper in the draft, so I'd be kind of intrigued, but I think the Bulls probably pass on this without much hesitation.

Fair enough

But I do see the value in him

He can be a backup pg. Hit the 3, play-make a little. And give good effort on D

He reminds me of Caruso a bit in terms of being underrated. Caruso is a better defensive guy and a better secondary ball-handler. While Ryan is better on offense overall: Better shooter and ballhandler.

How about deal for Dunn?

nzahir · Post #243 » by **nzahir** » Wed Dec 4, 2019 9:52 pm

sco wrote:
nzahir wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:
The coaching staff and front office loves him and so does the fanbase. Statistically, he doesn't bring much to the table. The saying "his contributions don't show up in the box score" is an overused cliche but in this case, it actually holds some truth. I don't think they'd have interest in Daniels, so this would be completely dependent on how they view Horton Tucker as a prospect. I always saw him as a sleeper in the draft, so I'd be kind of intrigued, but I think the Bulls probably pass on this without much hesitation.

Fair enough

But I do see the value in him

He can be a backup pg. Hit the 3, play-make a little. And give good effort on D

He reminds me of Caruso a bit in terms of being underrated. Caruso is a better defensive guy and a better secondary ball-handler. While Ryan is better on offense overall: Better shooter and ballhandler.

How about deal for Dunn?

No need

Post #244 » by **GimmeDat** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 10:34 am

I'm taking THT in an instant for Arci. That would be awesome.

BowlRips · Post #245 » by **BowlRips** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 10:02 pm

Julius Randle and Allonzo Trier for Lauri Markkenan and Feliciano?

RakimAbdulJabar · Post #246 » by **RakimAbdulJabar** » Fri Dec 6, 2019 3:05 am

BowlRips wrote:Julius Randle and Allonzo Trier for Lauri Markkenan and Feliciano?

I would, doubt others or the Bulls would do it

Dan Z · Post #247 » by **Dan Z** » Fri Dec 6, 2019 4:24 am

GimmeDat wrote:I'm taking THT in an instant for Arci. That would be awesome.

Have you seen THT play? I looked him up, but don't know much about him.

Swish1906 · Post #248 » by **Swish1906** » Fri Dec 6, 2019 3:59 pm

Herrdoktor33 wrote:Underrated players I'd trade for:
-J. Brunson
-M.Kleber
-L.Nance Jr
-J. Clarkson
-R. Gay
-M.Morris
-A.Burcs

Yeah not happening. Brunsons contract of 1.5m until 2022 is a steal and one of the factors they are able to offer a max contract to a star WITH Luka, KP and a bunch of great role player allready on the team.

Same goes with Kleber. Incredible underrated and his contract is again steal. Great versatile defender, great shotblocker and now also shooting 38% from downtown...

Post #249 » by **GimmeDat** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 1:21 am

Dan Z wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:I'm taking THT in an instant for Arci. That would be awesome.

Have you seen THT play? I looked him up, but don't know much about him.

Project but a real jack-of-all-trades type prospect. Can handle, defend, play-make, excellent finisher. Gets his shooting up to scratch and he could be great. College %'s were on the low side but I thought the jumper looked very projectable.

He's also one of the youngest guys in the NBA - only just turned 19 in November.

Rose2Boozer · Post #250 » by **Rose2Boozer** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 11:29 am

A nice little damaged goods trade.

The Bulls send Porter Jr. and Kornet to the Blazers for Bazemore and Nurkic.

ChettheJet · Post #251 » by **ChettheJet** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 11:03 pm

One of the trade partners that I like to look at are teams that fire their coach. Obviously they're losing, if the GM is got a contract and is staying he's going to look to start dealing veterans to get picks, prospects or at least shorter or smaller contracts and start looking at the draft.

BowlRips wrote:Julius Randle and Allonzo Trier for Lauri Markkenan and Feliciano?

This fits with that notion.

It's not that the Knicks actually want a PF in return, they look really short at the SF position so if they wanted Otto Porter jr I'd do that eve if it meant having to look for a second trade. But at this point I've got to really consider trading Lauri. Unless he goes on a real tear and starts to average 20-10 he's not looking like the answer or as though he's worth any kind of extension. What's most troubling is there's no real reason why he can't develop into the player they thought he would be when he was drafted. It just seems to be in his head and that's harder to fix than finding post moves.

Randle is basically an expiring contract, don't have to pick up his option unless he looks like a great fit with the core group. The big benefit would be getting rid of Felicio without having to give up a pick or extra player.

At this point I rather keep Dunn and look to trade Arcidiacono if anybody wanted him. As a mater of fact I wish they would take a 7 or 10 game stretch and start Valentine at the 3, Dunn next to Lavine and have Satoransky, Young and White come off the bench just to see how it works out.

Post #252 » by **Michael Jackson** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 11:47 pm

You can find another Randle in free agency. I would rather ride Lauri out and see if he can develop. As frustrating as he is we aren’t getting anything that improves us really, and he still has potential although I am not a believer in it. I just don’t see a trade that makes sense (I mean if the Suns want to trade Ayton?).

LateNight · Post #253 » by **LateNight** » Sun Dec 8, 2019 12:24 am

I’m all for Lauri shopping but I want at least one pick in the deal

Roy The Natural · Post #254 » by **Roy The Natural** » Sun Dec 8, 2019 1:23 am

Rose2Boozer wrote:A nice little damaged goods trade.

The Bulls send Porter Jr. and Kornet to the Blazers for Bazemore and Nurkic.

Blazers would need a signifigantly better offer than that to consider moving Nurkic. His contract is great and he's a top 10 center in the league who can anchor a defense and provide signifigant offensive value when healthy.

Southpaw · Post #255 » by **Southpaw** » Sun Dec 8, 2019 3:56 am

Yeah I'm all in on shopping Lauri but I wouldn't trade him in a salary dump. Need to get some young player with potential or some FRP.

Horton Tucker is an intriguing prospect based on his potential and his measurables. He's still really young too. I'd do Arci for Tucker.

Post #256 » by **HomoSapien** » Sun Dec 8, 2019 6:36 pm

Swish1906 wrote:
Herrdoktor33 wrote:Underrated players I'd trade for:
-J. Brunson
-M.Kleber
-L.Nance Jr
-J. Clarkson
-R. Gay
-M.Morris
-A.Burcs

Yeah not happening. Brunsons contract of 1.5m until 2022 is a steal and one of the factors they are able to offer a max contract to a star WITH Luka, KP and a bunch of great role player allready on the team.

Same goes with Kleber. Incredible underrated and his contract is again steal. Great versatile defender, great shotblocker and now also shooting 38% from downtown...

Why are Brunson's minutes down this year? Seems like he's playing pretty well and being young, they'd prioritize his development. Is it just because there's so many guards on the roster?

Swish1906 · Post #257 » by **Swish1906** » Sun Dec 8, 2019 6:59 pm

His minutes last season were kind of inflated because the Mavs ran out of guards after the trade and the Barea injury. Thats why he started the last 30 games.

This season he had a slow start and wasnt shooting well. Carlisle also tried a gazillion different rotations in the first 12-15 games. Now he found his units

PrimzyBulls81 · Post #258 » by **PrimzyBulls81** » Sun Dec 8, 2019 7:01 pm

HomoSapien wrote:
Swish1906 wrote:
Herrdoktor33 wrote:Underrated players I'd trade for:
-J. Brunson
-M.Kleber
-L.Nance Jr
-J. Clarkson
-R. Gay
-M.Morris
-A.Burcs

Yeah not happening. Brunsons contract of 1.5m until 2022 is a steal and one of the factors they are able to offer a max contract to a star WITH Luka, KP and a bunch of great role player allready on the team.

Same goes with Kleber. Incredible underrated and his contract is again steal. Great versatile defender, great shotblocker and now also shooting 38% from downtown...

Why are Brunson's minutes down this year? Seems like he's playing pretty well and being young, they'd prioritize his development. Is it just because there's so many guards on the roster?

Yeah, a lot of guards on the team, but imho I would much rather play Brunson than Seth Curry, who is just overrated. I dont get why Carlisle pushed Brunson down the depth chart, Delon Wright plays good, but can also play SG. So my backup backcourt duo would be Jalen and Delon.
Doncic, Hardaway, Finney, Powell, Porzingis
Brunson, Wright, Jackson, Kleber, Marjanovic
X- Barea, Curry, Lee, Broekhoff

Swish1906 · Post #259 » by **Swish1906** » Sun Dec 8, 2019 7:09 pm

I learned in the past 12 years do never doubt Carlisles rotations

He really is the best to maximize the available talent with using them in the right rotations.

He always takes a few weeks to test everything but then he puts out the rotations who works the best. And now he pretty much goes with two seperate units, the starters and the bench.

Luka-THJ-DFS-KP-Powell and then after a few subs he plays an entire bench unit over longer stretches at the start of 2nd and 4th: Brunson-Seth-Wright-Jackson-Kleber (with some Boban/Barea if there is a certain matchup etc). And this bench unit is absoluty destroying the other benches in the past 10 games.

Resistance · Post #260 » by **Resistance** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 10:24 am

ChettheJet wrote:One of the trade partners that I like to look at are teams that fire their coach. Obviously they're losing, if the GM is got a contract and is staying he's going to look to start dealing veterans to get picks, prospects or at least shorter or smaller contracts and start looking at the draft.

BowlRips wrote:Julius Randle and Allonzo Trier for Lauri Markkenan and Feliciano?

This fits with that notion.

It's not that the Knicks actually want a PF in return, they look really short at the SF position so if they wanted Otto Porter jr I'd do that eve if it meant having to look for a second trade. But at this point I've got to really consider trading Lauri. Unless he goes on a real tear and starts to average 20-10 he's not looking like the answer or as though he's worth any kind of extension. What's most troubling is there's no real reason why he can't develop into the player they thought he would be when he was drafted. It just seems to be in his head and that's harder to fix than finding post moves.

Randle is basically an expiring contract, don't have to pick up his option unless he looks like a great fit with the core group. The big benefit would be getting rid of Felicio without having to give up a pick or extra player.

At this point I rather keep Dunn and look to trade Arcidiacono if anybody wanted him. As a mater of fact I wish they would take a 7 or 10 game stretch and start Valentine at the 3, Dunn next to Lavine and have Satoransky, Young and White come off the bench just to see how it works out.

Randle's contract isn't guaranteed for next season?