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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#241 » by FriedRise » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:20 pm

Hey, Zach and Lauri had 52 points! That's the kind of production you need from your Big 2! :D

For the season, Coby White has now scored more points (236) than Lauri (234) coming off the bench playing 70 less minutes. He's also taken 25 more shots including 3PA (as well as FG and 3PM). Probably not necessarily a good thing for a shot-happy rookie to be this free, but it speaks volume to the kind of down season for Lauri who's supposed to be your #2 option. The kid needs a week off and maybe a couple therapy sessions to heal those obliques and get back on track.

Also, playing off-ball is just the best role for Zach because you're taking advantage of one of his primary strengths (scoring) and minimizing his weaknesses (decision-making, IQ). Have someone else run the offense (in this case Sato - 8 assists) and get him the ball in position to score and he'll excel. It's when you ask him to be the primary playmaker that we get the bad Zach.
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Post#242 » by Red Larrivee » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:26 pm

coldfish wrote:If the Bulls can get Otto healthy and get Lauri going, they could still easily make the playoffs. The Bulls have 6 wins. Half the teams in the NBA (15) have 6 or less wins. That means half the dam time, the Bulls are going to be playing a Bulls level team. They really can do this.


I still don't think this team is competent enough to make the playoffs, even though it's clear they could stumble into a seed anyway. The next 3 games are soft, but we've been down that road before.

This team has needed absolute heroics for most of their wins. It took 49 points from LaVine and a sequence that you won't see for the next decade...to beat Charlotte. There's only been two games where they flat out just executed better than the opposition.

I would feel better about our chances of getting Markkanen going if he just sat. Him playing through an injury has not been productive for him or the team.

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Post#243 » by RememberLu » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:29 pm

The way they won is not sustainable. Unless you believe heroball is going to carry us into the playoffs. This is still a poor team in every facet.
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Post#245 » by sco » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:45 pm

First of all, Charlotte is just a terrible team, but winning a road B2B is still good. I will say that the Bulls may be the most blockable team in the NBA, and it isn't obvious why...but when Charlotte gets 7 blocks on us, it says something. Also, despite the Kingpin jokes, I do think he deserves a little credit for lighting a fire under Zach.

Zach had it going, and I see definite differences in his stroke when he's confident. Making those early corner 3's were key. That said, 4 or 5 of Zach's 3's were Blakely-level dumb shots that I really hope he doesn't take again.

WCJ deserves some love with a 17/11/3/2/2 stat-line. He did his usual thing defensively. He made his 3pt shot! I had a love/hate thing when he passed, twice, out of easy dunks to open 3pt shooters (sorry but the stats guys need to tell him that open dunks have a higher value that open 3's). But the BEST play of then night (except for the real best play of the game) was WCJ's no-look pass to Zach for the corner 3 - it was beautiful!

Coby had another "on" shooting night. IMO, he is a very good open 3 maker, but very mediocre on the rest of his shots - and I think that's why having Zach on the floor with him is helpful. I will say his defense is good for a guard, it's great for a 19 YO rook. He made one good pass to WCJ on a break...good to see.

Sato is playing more aggressively of late, and while I hate to give credit, Sato noted that Kingpin was the one who asked him to look for his a bit more. Loved that dunk!

The rest of the team shot 4-30 tonight!
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Post#246 » by DASMACKDOWN » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:56 pm

I thought this was cool of Coby. He got a ton of tickets.

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Post#247 » by Apackfan » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:01 pm

sco wrote:First of all, Charlotte is just a terrible team, but winning a road B2B is still good. I will say that the Bulls may be the most blockable team in the NBA, and it isn't obvious why...but when Charlotte gets 7 blocks on us, it says something. Also, despite the Kingpin jokes, I do think he deserves a little credit for lighting a fire under Zach.

Zach had it going, and I see definite differences in his stroke when he's confident. Making those early corner 3's were key. That said, 4 or 5 of Zach's 3's were Blakely-level dumb shots that I really hope he doesn't take again.

WCJ deserves some love with a 17/11/3/2/2 stat-line. He did his usual thing defensively. He made his 3pt shot! I had a love/hate thing when he passed, twice, out of easy dunks to open 3pt shooters (sorry but the stats guys need to tell him that open dunks have a higher value that open 3's). But the BEST play of then night (except for the real best play of the game) was WCJ's no-look pass to Zach for the corner 3 - it was beautiful!

Coby had another "on" shooting night. IMO, he is a very good open 3 maker, but very mediocre on the rest of his shots - and I think that's why having Zach on the floor with him is helpful. I will say his defense is good for a guard, it's great for a 19 YO rook. He made one good pass to WCJ on a break...good to see.

Sato is playing more aggressively of late, and while I hate to give credit, Sato noted that Kingpin was the one who asked him to look for his a bit more. Loved that dunk!

The rest of the team shot 4-30 tonight!


Zach would't have done what he did had it not been for coach Boylen. Gotta give props. He's an excellent motivator. Hopefully he can bench Lauri the next game and call him out too. LOOL.
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Post#248 » by johnnyvann840 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:05 pm

JimmyJammer wrote:Ya'll sitting here and calling Boylen out for being a bad coach and his substitution pattern last night, but he won the game for us by leaving Thaddeus' and Lauri's asses on the bench down the stretch. Who would have thought he would have had the guts to do that, one night after butting heads with Zach. I hope this lights up some fire under the asses of these two guys who have been nothing short of disappointment, although Lavine is the one getting all the blame.


LOL. He won the game? Jesus Christ. The only reason the Bulls won that game is because Zach Lavine had a once in a lifetime, record setting, hot shooting night. Something that is not sustainable, at all. Period. Not because of anything Boylen did. They won despite Boylen. Boylen is an asshat. A clown. Horrible coach.
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Post#249 » by johnnyvann840 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:09 pm

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coldfish wrote:If the Bulls can get Otto healthy and get Lauri going, they could still easily make the playoffs. The Bulls have 6 wins. Half the teams in the NBA (15) have 6 or less wins. That means half the dam time, the Bulls are going to be playing a Bulls level team. They really can do this.


I still don't think this team is competent enough to make the playoffs, even though it's clear they could stumble into a seed anyway. The next 3 games are soft, but we've been down that road before.

This team has needed absolute heroics for most of their wins. It took 49 points from LaVine and a sequence that you won't see for the next decade...to beat Charlotte. There's only been two games where they flat out just executed better than the opposition.

I would feel better about our chances of getting Markkanen going if he just sat. Him playing through an injury has not been productive for him or the team.

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Post#250 » by johnnyvann840 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:19 pm

Honestly cannot believe there are people saying that Boylen "deserves credit" for this and that he is some kind of "motivator of men" now. This was a FLUKE people. Get that through your head.

The Bulls are on a 27 win pace even with that miracle win. Nothing has changed really except everyone got to have a giddy time in the forum for a night.
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Post#251 » by DorO » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:24 pm

Great B2B win and a lot of whining how bulls got it. Bulls will build around Zach and he shows why they should continue believing in him. Over 50% of his 3s were assisted and if that was on game plan then it was spot on but there’s no way to know it exactly. Anyway bulls need to find Zach more for corner 3s, at least that much is pretty clear. I just hope Porter coming back soon to help team and some solution for PF slump.
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Post#252 » by Stratmaster » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:25 pm

RememberLu wrote:The way they won is not sustainable. Unless you believe heroball is going to carry us into the playoffs. This is still a poor team in every facet.


Really? You mean they won't always score 17 points in the last 55 seconds? Lavine won't always score 49 with 13 3's? You mean better teams won't be coughing up the ball down the stretch every game?

Man I am glad you helped me out with that. I would have hated going through the whole season wondering why this doesn't happen every game.
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Post#253 » by Apackfan » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:29 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:Honestly cannot believe there are people saying that Boylen "deserves credit" for this and that he is some kind of "motivator of men" now. This was a FLUKE people. Get that through your head.

The Bulls are on a 27 win pace even with that miracle win. Nothing has changed really except everyone got to have a giddy time in the forum for a night.


In my case, I was being somewhat sarcastic. But also still, he did say in his comments after the game that he has to push the players to somewhere they can't go themselves LOLOLOLOL. Sorry Ill stop now.
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Post#254 » by Stratmaster » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:30 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:Honestly cannot believe there are people saying that Boylen "deserves credit" for this and that he is some kind of "motivator of men" now. This was a FLUKE people. Get that through your head.

The Bulls are on a 27 win pace even with that miracle win. Nothing has changed really except everyone got to have a giddy time in the forum for a night.


I will only say this. Lavine going off for 40 plus is not a fluke. He will do it multiple times this season. Same for him hitting game winners. He has done it in the past and will do it again. Like when he hit a couple at the end of reg. last season and then hit a game winner in OT.

But yeah. Giving Boylen credit is pretty crazy although Boylen sure u.s accepting the credit.

If the Bulls win the next 2 games, what win pace will they be on?
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Post#255 » by Red8911 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:39 pm

So everyone that criticized Lavine about shot selection is now praising him because he made them. That’s the type of player Lavine is though, he is capable of making those type of shots. Having said that on the last play where they pressured and Sato stole the ball it was only a 2 point game. Why the hell did Zach get the ball and run to the 3 point line to take a crazy shot? Lol, that was probably a bad decision and would of been safer to take it to the basket. Anyway it went in so it all good.
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Post#256 » by Michael Jackson » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:43 pm

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Still laughing at this. Wow. Really cannot be any more clear about where the players stand than that



Yikes! That’s not a good look. Leading him away like a drunk girl at a party helping her friend avoid a creeper. Wow... this is like Jordan vs Crumbs bad.
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Post#257 » by RastaBull » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:48 pm

sco wrote: Also, despite the Kingpin jokes, I do think he deserves a little credit for lighting a fire under Zach.



There is something interesting between Zach and Jim. Zach is the best player/highlight "star" on this team (whether you think he is objectively best player or not, that's his role in locker room and media). This is twice now that he has come to media with criticism of the coach. I think Jim is handling it a little different that most coaches. He doesn't hold it against Zach when Zach speaks his mind these few times.

Zach seems to respect that relationship afterwards. Last year he seemed to grow to work really well with him (at least what's presented to public). Jim and the FO have been atrocious at times and Lavine could say a hell of a lot more, but as much other people played up his comments as something that should have been in house, I think Lavine was pretty professional in what he said and probably more reserved than many would have been.

I'm probably just searching for silver linings, but I'm not completely casting off Boylen for everything. In game is more than frustrating, but maybe he's not lost the team.

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Post#258 » by Ccwatercraft » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:50 pm

Red8911 wrote:So everyone that criticized Lavine about shot selection is now praising him because he made them. That’s the type of player Lavine is though, he is capable of making those type of shots. Having said that on the last play where they pressured and Sato stole the ball it was only a 2 point game. Why the hell did Zach get the ball and run to the 3 point line to take a crazy shot? Lol, that was probably a bad decision and would of been safer to take it to the basket. Anyway it went in so it all good.


There's a good chance he didn't know it was a two point game.
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Post#259 » by johnnyvann840 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:53 pm

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If the Bulls win the next 2 games, what win pace will they be on?
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Post#260 » by Red8911 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:53 pm

RememberLu wrote:The way they won is not sustainable. Unless you believe heroball is going to carry us into the playoffs. This is still a poor team in every facet.

Yeah wins like this where they hit crazy 3s at the end and Charlotte messing up the way they did are rare. Bulls got really lucky, it was pretty much a steal. Give them credit though for not giving up when the game looked like it was over.

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