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David Kaplan: There will be meaningful change after this season

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Re: David Kaplan: There will be meaningful change after this season 

Post#241 » by fleet » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:39 am

Along those lines, growing an extra head into a 4 headed monster has been a fun idea Jerry! Blumeany is correct. There will be a 3 headed monster coming soon with one new head. That’s the prob with Jerry Reinsdorf. Gets harder for him to learn lessons with every year.
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Re: David Kaplan: There will be meaningful change after this season 

Post#242 » by Leslie Forman » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:55 pm

RedBulls23 wrote:JR doesn't give the White Sox more leeway in team building than he does the Bulls. He could, because there isn't anything stopping him from offering the most money on the market. There is no such thing as max contracts in mlb, and the CBa in the mlb works much differently.

Its simple and you're trying to defend the indefensible for some weird reason.

The White Sox are consistently allowed to spend a higher percentage of their revenue on player salaries than the Bulls are.

The White Sox are not giving away Kyle Korver for cash when they are supposedly trying to win.

Read up and try and explain how these numbers show two franchises as "exactly the same."

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Re: David Kaplan: There will be meaningful change after this season 

Post#243 » by Am2626 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:14 pm

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RedBulls23 wrote:No where did I say it was justifiable. I simply said a good front office can still build a consistently good team here.

Also, the Bulls and Sox don't operate in any different manner. It's irrelevant if he "likes" the sox more because he doesn't do anything differently for them.

The only difference between the Sox and the Bulls...Rick Hanh is actually showing to be competent at his job. So like I said, a good front office would find success under Reinsdorf.

Blaming it on ownership is just another excuse people make for Pax and Gar. As if these milk toast unimaginative duds would be any better if Steve Balmer was the owner.


If Steve Ballmer were the Bulls Owner, GarPax would be relieved of their duties immediately. I guarantee that he would bring in a much more competent FO. It’s 100% on Reinsdorf that he continues to keep these clowns employed.

Yeah, which is why I said that's also a problem.

My point is that a good front office would be successful here. No matter who the owner is, gar/pax would suck.

I'd love to get new ownership, but that's not realistic. Gar and Pax going away could happen soon enough. It's more likely to happen.


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Re: David Kaplan: There will be meaningful change after this season 

Post#244 » by VolumePoster » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:50 pm

fleet wrote:Along those lines, growing an extra head into a 4 headed monster has been a fun idea Jerry! Blumeany is correct. There will be a 3 headed monster coming soon with one new head. That’s the prob with Jerry Reinsdorf. Gets harder for him to learn lessons with every year.


Whoever they bring in will be so far under garpax on the totem pole it won’t make a whit of difference. Will they have the power or guts to tear this thing up? Nope.
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Re: David Kaplan: There will be meaningful change after this season 

Post#245 » by RedBulls23 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:04 pm

Leslie Forman wrote:
RedBulls23 wrote:JR doesn't give the White Sox more leeway in team building than he does the Bulls. He could, because there isn't anything stopping him from offering the most money on the market. There is no such thing as max contracts in mlb, and the CBa in the mlb works much differently.

Its simple and you're trying to defend the indefensible for some weird reason.

The White Sox are consistently allowed to spend a higher percentage of their revenue on player salaries than the Bulls are.

The White Sox are not giving away Kyle Korver for cash when they are supposedly trying to win.

Read up and try and explain how these numbers show two franchises as "exactly the same."

White Sox revenue
White Sox payroll

Bulls revenue
Bulls payroll

The mlb and NBA have completely different CBAs and cap structures.

Korver deal was made to avoid lux tax. The white sox never come close to paying the lux tax.
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Re: David Kaplan: There will be meaningful change after this season 

Post#246 » by Wingy » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:38 pm

Cursive jerseys full-time next year. Book it.
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Re: David Kaplan: There will be meaningful change after this season 

Post#247 » by GameBredAPBT » Wed Feb 5, 2020 9:38 pm

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HomoSapien wrote:https://clutchpoints.com/raptors-rumors-contrary-previous-report-toronto-didnt-actually-offer-masai-ujiri-extension/

People keep saying Masai won't happen, but realistically why not? If he leaves Toronto, is there a more prestigious GM challenge than restoring the Bulls to their past glory? Neither LA team will have an opening. Obviously NY is a great challenge too, but Dolan is so much worse than Reinsdorf.


NY is a bigger challenge, more prestigious if you are successful, and you can bet your ass Dolan will pay more money. Probably 2-3x what Reinsdorf will pay.



Sorry, but this is absolute nonsense. The part about bringing a championship to the knicks of all teams being more prestigious than bringing a championship back to the Chicago freaking bulls, the most famous & important franchise in nba history. There is no greater nor more prestigious honour in all of sports.

In terms of difficulty, the feats are about equal, but in terms of prestige, there is no debate. No one cares or knows what the knicks is outside the tristate area/eastern seaboard. Like, it isn’t even remotely close. We’re talking about the freaking Bulls here, cmon now.
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Re: David Kaplan: There will be meaningful change after this season 

Post#248 » by Shootdabull » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:26 pm

RedBulls23 wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:
RedBulls23 wrote:JR doesn't give the White Sox more leeway in team building than he does the Bulls. He could, because there isn't anything stopping him from offering the most money on the market. There is no such thing as max contracts in mlb, and the CBa in the mlb works much differently.

Its simple and you're trying to defend the indefensible for some weird reason.

The White Sox are consistently allowed to spend a higher percentage of their revenue on player salaries than the Bulls are.

The White Sox are not giving away Kyle Korver for cash when they are supposedly trying to win.

Read up and try and explain how these numbers show two franchises as "exactly the same."

White Sox revenue
White Sox payroll

Bulls revenue
Bulls payroll

The mlb and NBA have completely different CBAs and cap structures.

Korver deal was made to avoid lux tax. The white sox never come close to paying the lux tax.


If you look at the team spend compared to other team in the league the white sox have been 26/29/24/20/15 while the bulls were 27/24/29/21/7 over the last five years. When the team is better he spends a little more (for both teams), but the pattern is pretty similar. The white sox team after the big spending spree this off season puts them up 18th ( https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/). The sox don't sign the cole and rendon of the world. We get good players grandel and keuchel but not the best. The sox like the bulls have to have a lot of luck to make the finals.
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Re: David Kaplan: There will be meaningful change after this season 

Post#249 » by League Circles » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:50 pm

Leslie Forman wrote:
RedBulls23 wrote:JR doesn't give the White Sox more leeway in team building than he does the Bulls. He could, because there isn't anything stopping him from offering the most money on the market. There is no such thing as max contracts in mlb, and the CBa in the mlb works much differently.

Its simple and you're trying to defend the indefensible for some weird reason.

The White Sox are consistently allowed to spend a higher percentage of their revenue on player salaries than the Bulls are.

The White Sox are not giving away Kyle Korver for cash when they are supposedly trying to win.

Read up and try and explain how these numbers show two franchises as "exactly the same."

White Sox revenue
White Sox payroll

Bulls revenue
Bulls payroll



I'm not sure why you are glossing over the oncourt ramifications of CBA rules.

For example Kyle korver who had been benched in the playoffs by Tom thibodeau because of how bad and utterly one dimensional he was. The Bulls chose to dump him because it allowed them to get a low enough payroll to then be allowed to offer the full MLE to Hinrich in FA, who was a player that they thought would help them win more due to much greater versatility and positional need (Rose out and Deng and Butler at the SF spot).

There simply are not the same ramifications for spending high in baseball that there are in basketball.
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Re: David Kaplan: There will be meaningful change after this season 

Post#250 » by Peelboy » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:59 pm

League Circles wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:
RedBulls23 wrote:JR doesn't give the White Sox more leeway in team building than he does the Bulls. He could, because there isn't anything stopping him from offering the most money on the market. There is no such thing as max contracts in mlb, and the CBa in the mlb works much differently.

Its simple and you're trying to defend the indefensible for some weird reason.

The White Sox are consistently allowed to spend a higher percentage of their revenue on player salaries than the Bulls are.

The White Sox are not giving away Kyle Korver for cash when they are supposedly trying to win.

Read up and try and explain how these numbers show two franchises as "exactly the same."

White Sox revenue
White Sox payroll

Bulls revenue
Bulls payroll



I'm not sure why you are glossing over the oncourt ramifications of CBA rules.

For example Kyle korver who had been benched in the playoffs by Tom thibodeau because of how bad and utterly one dimensional he was. The Bulls chose to dump him because it allowed them to get a low enough payroll to then be allowed to offer the full MLE to Hinrich in FA, who was a player that they thought would help them win more due to much greater versatility and positional need (Rose out and Deng and Butler at the SF spot).

There simply are not the same ramifications for spending high in baseball that there are in basketball.


It was the same when they "dumped" Deng for a 2d. Lu was expiring so had little value as a rental, and had significant value to Bulls in trade because it brought them under the tax line....which enabled them more future cap flexibility since they were not tax repeaters. I.e. an oncourt basketball reason for the deal. But that's not a reason that provides a way to slam the FO so not really attractive around town.

(There are plenty of reasons to slam the FO without making up fake ones.)
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Re: David Kaplan: There will be meaningful change after this season 

Post#251 » by FriedRise » Fri Feb 7, 2020 2:23 pm

Here's Kap saying (again) the changes in the offseason will be wholesale: from GM, to scouting, to coaching.

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Re: David Kaplan: There will be meaningful change after this season 

Post#252 » by Red8911 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 2:53 pm

Paxson had the nerve last night to talk about injuries once again, then said they were never really “ buyers” in the trade deadline, and to top it all off mentioned the draft again even though the team is like 4-5 games out of the playoffs. From doing nothing and Pax’s comments they are pretty much telling the players that they don’t care about wins.

I am truly sick of this guy and Reinsdorf, how can you not be a buyer in a trade deadline, especially this team that needs a lot of help? That’s total BS .Fans have lost interest, why not make some type of move to change that? Even a coaching change, something! That’s his damn job to improve the team and fix his mistakes. I really hope this is all true and someone else comes in, this has gotten ridiculous.

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