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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#241 » by dice » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:51 am

MrSparkle wrote:I just hope that single payer health care is a reality next year.

i guarantee that will not be the case. obamacare had to strip out a public option because it required 60 democratic senators to be on board. and weasel joe lieberman torpedoed it. come november it is unlikely that the democrats will even hit the 50 senator mark to gain control of the chamber. even if they did and got rid of the filibuster, the best reasonable case scenario is getting a public option. which would be fantastic, but i don't even think that would happen
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#242 » by dice » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:53 am

dougthonus wrote:https://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/29031903/wwe-deemed-essential-business-florida-mayor-says

Thought this was pretty crazy. Clearly some money seriously changed hands here, because there's no remote way to consider WWE essential by the books. That said, I don't actually think it's a bad idea if you do it safely and don't perform in front of crowds. I think you could easily film WWE in a safe way and provide some entertainment.

Just if you look at it from that perspective, there are probably a lot of other businesses you could open with safety precautions (which is likely what will happen in May).

as a big pro wrestling fan growing up, crowd interaction is such a big part of the entertainment that i can't see it working effectively without
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#243 » by MrSparkle » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:10 am

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MrSparkle wrote:I just hope that single payer health care is a reality next year.

i guarantee that will not be the case. obamacare had to strip out a public option because it required 60 democratic senators to be on board. and weasel joe lieberman torpedoed it. come november it is unlikely that the democrats will even hit the 50 senator mark to gain control of the chamber. even if they did and got rid of the filibuster, the best reasonable case scenario is getting a public option. which would be fantastic, but i don't even think that would happen


I know, but AK replacing GarPax gives me a new hope for everything. :lol:
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#244 » by Dresden » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:42 am

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/column-experts-lose-enthusiasm-chloroquine-215114339.html

Experts lose enthusiasm for chloroquine coronavirus treatment promoted by Trump

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Put it all together, says David Gorski, the veteran pseudoscience debunker at Wayne State University Medical School, and "the evidence that hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine, or the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combination is an effective treatment for COVID-19 is getting weaker with every publication."
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"We haven’t seen any clear evidence of benefit so we aren’t going to use hydroxychloroquine routinely anymore,” Vineet Chopra, head of hospital medicine at Michigan, said on April 2. "That’s based upon the fact that we’ve been prescribing hydroxychloroquine for a few weeks, did not see therapeutic benefit, but did see adverse effects.”
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#245 » by AKfanatic » Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:24 am

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#246 » by RedBulls23 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:45 am

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Downright painful to read what you just wrote. Seems you have alot of hate for everyone.


Was that comment necessary?

Let’s practice respect instead of hurling empty insults. I’m going to guess you’re a Trump fan, hence the guttural reaction with no substance contributing to the topic. You’ve done this more than once now and it’s not a good look.


Lol the irony. A person getting told by a liberal that he must be a Trump fan because he brings no substance to the topic while at the same time bringing exactly zero substance to the topic. #theperfectexampleofalib :lol:

please let's leave out the hostile back and forth and or generalizing political ideologies.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#247 » by fleet » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:39 am

Dresden wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/column-experts-lose-enthusiasm-chloroquine-215114339.html

Experts lose enthusiasm for chloroquine coronavirus treatment promoted by Trump

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Put it all together, says David Gorski, the veteran pseudoscience debunker at Wayne State University Medical School, and "the evidence that hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine, or the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combination is an effective treatment for COVID-19 is getting weaker with every publication."
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"We haven’t seen any clear evidence of benefit so we aren’t going to use hydroxychloroquine routinely anymore,” Vineet Chopra, head of hospital medicine at Michigan, said on April 2. "That’s based upon the fact that we’ve been prescribing hydroxychloroquine for a few weeks, did not see therapeutic benefit, but did see adverse effects.”

It’s a good thing the USA didn’t buy 29 million doses of that stuff.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#248 » by Dez » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:23 am

So Trump jumped on something that they were essentially trialing to see if it was going to be effective before they were able to see the results?

I don't keep up with your lunatic president but is that the gist of it?
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#249 » by TallDude » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:38 am

So Trump has now ”total power” :crazy: At least he think so. I thought US was democrazy? Well live and learn. Number`s are so ugly right now. Glad see governers to keep it smart.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#250 » by Ccwatercraft » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:05 pm

Dresden wrote:We had been working prior to the latest extension about 2 weeks ago, where construction work was explicitly banned unless it was safety purposes. And we had worked things out to make it pretty safe- fewer crews were allowed on site at one time, 6' distancing, washing hands frequently, disinfecting commonly touched surfaces throughout the day, not sharing tools, bringing lunches/snacks/coffee from home so you don't have to go out, etc. Supplies were either delivered to the site, or picked up at the curb, so no one had to go inside a crowded store.

Under these conditions, I'd say work could be done pretty safely. There's still some risk involved, for sure. It's not as good as staying home. But at some point, we're going to have to risk it, unless a vaccine is developed (a year from now), or we are able to do widespread testing.


Construction in FL hasn't stopped, I see masks and have been told they are taking similar precautions like you mentioned but otherwise it hasn't skipped a beat.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#251 » by dougthonus » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:41 pm

The decree was made in a memo issued by Jared Moskowitz, state coordinating officer for the Florida Division of Emergency Management.

The memo says that people who are allowed to work during the pandemic include "Employees at a professional sports and media production with a national audience — including any athletes, entertainers, production team, executive team, media team and any others necessary to facilitate including services supporting such production — only if the location is closed to the general public."


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Hard for me to view pro sports as essential, but I'd say the same about restaurants really. I think it's a reasonable decision if safety measures are taken appropriately even if it stretches the word of essential. More just backs my thought that we should allow a lot of things to open up if we can find ways to do so safely, and I think with many pro sports you could if you remove crowds.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#252 » by Dresden » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:24 pm

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/12/832269202/no-you-dont-need-to-disinfect-your-groceries-but-here-s-to-shop-safely

No, You Don't Need To Disinfect Your Groceries. But Here's How To Shop Safely

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Don't drive yourself crazy disinfecting your groceries

"Many shoppers are now following elaborate routines to disinfect their groceries, thanks to a viral video put out by a Michigan family doctor. But all of the experts we spoke with say that disinfecting and hand-washing every last item in your grocery haul is really not necessary. You might find it comforting to know that none of these experts are doing this themselves.

Rasmussen explains that the probability of getting infected from a contaminated surface is not zero, but it is fairly low. That's because respiratory droplets would have to have landed on the exact spot on, say, a box of cereal that you are touching. And even then, you'd have to get enough residual virus on your hand to start an infection — and you'd have to transfer that virus to your face. Bottom line: If you follow good hand-hygiene practices — washing your hands after unpacking your groceries, before cooking and before eating — then, she says, your risk is probably "very, very low."

As Aronoff notes, "Time is really on your side here." That's because as soon as the virus lands on a surface, it starts to lose infectiousness. "After 24 hours, the vast majority of virus is no longer infectious," he says. And after 72 hours, he notes that research has found the virus is trace or undetectable on most surfaces. So if you know that you're not going to use a can of soup for two or three days, he says, just put it away, wash your hands and go about your day. And one more thing: Make sure to wipe down your countertops after you unpack.

If you're still worried and it's a food that doesn't need to be refrigerated, Graham says just leave it out for 24 hours.

If you really want to wash your groceries, don't use disinfecting spray or wipes

If it somehow lessens your anxiety to wipe down every last jar of jelly, there's no harm in that, experts agree. But Graham warns that if you feel compelled to wipe, it might be wise to stick to soap and water. "A lot of the packaging that groceries come in is really not meant to be sprayed with disinfectant, and you [could] actually end up contaminating your food," she says.

Schaffner adds that disinfecting sprays and wipes are meant to be used on hard surfaces, which would not include many of the kinds of plastics or cardboard used for food packaging.

Rinse fresh produce in plain water — and eat your veggies!

Some people are advocating washing produce in soap and water. But Schaffner says that's a bad idea because it's possible that if you ingest soap residue, it could lead to diarrhea or vomiting. He says the best thing is just to rinse your produce in cold water. If it's an item with a tough skin, you can use a vegetable brush.

And Schaffner says, please don't reduce your consumption of fresh fruit or vegetables. "There's just no evidence that these foods can transmit the virus or can cause COVID-19," he says. Plus, he says, produce offers valuable nutrients that are especially important in these stressful times."
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#253 » by Dresden » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:33 pm

TallDude wrote:So Trump has now ”total power” :crazy: At least he think so. I thought US was democrazy? Well live and learn. Number`s are so ugly right now. Glad see governers to keep it smart.



That claim is especially laughable given that he didn't have the courage to ever issue a national shelter in place order, because he was afraid of the political fallout he might receive, especially from republican leaning states, which have been some of the slowest to adopt such measures.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#254 » by musiqsoulchild » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:05 pm

Have you guys seen his propaganda video yesterday - MAJOR CRINGE. Dude, people are DYING. Stop with the self-aggrandizement.

https://youtu.be/LUXsgVA8lN8
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#255 » by DuckIII » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:16 pm

musiqsoulchild wrote:Have you guys seen his propaganda video yesterday - MAJOR CRINGE. Dude, people are DYING. Stop with the self-aggrandizement.

https://youtu.be/LUXsgVA8lN8


He’s unbalanced. It’s nothing new for him. He’s a sociopath. Nothing about this means anything to him beyond how it impacts his own self image.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#256 » by DuckIII » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:20 pm

Dresden wrote:
TallDude wrote:So Trump has now ”total power” :crazy: At least he think so. I thought US was democrazy? Well live and learn. Number`s are so ugly right now. Glad see governers to keep it smart.



That claim is especially laughable given that he didn't have the courage to ever issue a national shelter in place order, because he was afraid of the political fallout he might receive, especially from republican leaning states, which have been some of the slowest to adopt such measures.


He’ll get laughed out of court based on hundreds of years of federalism precedent if he tries to force states from lifting emergency measures. It’s not about the law. It’s about politics.

It will provide him with the farcical arguments he needs to blame the economy on “democrats and liberal activist judges.”

And it will work because our citizens are by and large constitutionally illiterate.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#257 » by 2018C3 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:49 pm

Out of both confinement boredom and also curiosity I crunched a few numbers today for the state of Illinois to see where this issue now stands, This is what I found.

So far 794 people have passed away from the Covid-19 virus in Illinois. In 2019 Illinois had a estimated population of 12.67 million. This means that .126 percent of the Illinois population has now passed do to this virus.

To put this figure into some numbers that make sense, approximately 1 out of every 15967 people in Illinois have now died as a result of this virus. I'm sure the numbers will continue to grow as epidemic spreads , but this is where it stands today.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#258 » by AKfanatic » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:53 pm

DuckIII wrote:
Dresden wrote:
TallDude wrote:So Trump has now ”total power” :crazy: At least he think so. I thought US was democrazy? Well live and learn. Number`s are so ugly right now. Glad see governers to keep it smart.



That claim is especially laughable given that he didn't have the courage to ever issue a national shelter in place order, because he was afraid of the political fallout he might receive, especially from republican leaning states, which have been some of the slowest to adopt such measures.


He’ll get laughed out of court based on hundreds of years of federalism precedent if he tries to force states from lifting emergency measures. It’s not about the law. It’s about politics.

It will provide him with the farcical arguments he needs to blame the economy on “democrats and liberal activist judges.”

And it will work because our citizens are by and large constitutionally illiterate.


and that’s all he wants and needs. I said early in the original thread that eventually he would shift to blaming Dem governors like Cuomo for his own failings. His act is predictable, it’s directly out of the “How to be a dictator for dummies” playbook, and he has a party and media that will echo disinformation as a means of holding power over the interests and lives of the citizens.

It’s a scary time for Americans as “Leadership” is far more concerned about narrative than the actual safety of the citizens.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#259 » by musiqsoulchild » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:55 pm

2018C3 wrote:Out of both confinement boredom and also curiosity I crunched a few numbers today for the state of Illinois to see where this issue now stands, This is what I found.

So far 794 people have passed away from the Covid-19 virus in Illinois. In 2019 Illinois had a estimated population of 12.67 million. This means that .126 percent of the Illinois population has now passed do to this virus.

To put this figure into some numbers that make sense, approximately 1 out of every 15967 people in Illinois have now died as a result of this virus. I'm sure the numbers will continue to grow as epidemic spreads , but this is where it stands today.


The issue here is more qualitative than quantitative.

The disease kills violently. And quickly. And without family members being by your side.

Once we get past that stage of grief into a new normal of accepting this as part of the vagaries of being human, then we can talk numbers.

Right now, people need a sense of stability. Even if it is binge watching Tiger King.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#260 » by Dresden » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:30 pm

DuckIII wrote:
Dresden wrote:
TallDude wrote:So Trump has now ”total power” :crazy: At least he think so. I thought US was democrazy? Well live and learn. Number`s are so ugly right now. Glad see governers to keep it smart.



That claim is especially laughable given that he didn't have the courage to ever issue a national shelter in place order, because he was afraid of the political fallout he might receive, especially from republican leaning states, which have been some of the slowest to adopt such measures.


He’ll get laughed out of court based on hundreds of years of federalism precedent if he tries to force states from lifting emergency measures. It’s not about the law. It’s about politics.

It will provide him with the farcical arguments he needs to blame the economy on “democrats and liberal activist judges.”

And it will work because our citizens are by and large constitutionally illiterate.


And in turn, I don't believe state govts. have the ability to overturn local ordinances. San Francisco County, for instance, began a shelter in place order prior to the state declaring one. This was in the news just now, about our governor, Gavin Newsom: "As chief executive, Newsom has the power to call off the statewide order, but individual counties can keep their own orders in place. "

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