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[GetBuLLish]

So is racism.

Are you referring to racism (which is a real problem but no where near as significant as it was even just in the recent past and not one of the top problems facing minorities in this country today) or the made-up/exaggerated racism that the media has convinced ignorant people to believe?

If it's the latter you are referring to, then we agree.

When you say "the media has convinced the ignorant people to believe"- who exactly are your referring to by "the ignorant people"???

I know this is your cute way of implying that I'm racist (the common tactic of someone who can't debate using facts and logic), but I'll answer your question: I'm referring to the people that think that cops are indiscriminately killing people because they are black and doing so at disproportionate rates compared to the rest of society. As these riots have proven, it's people of all colors that believe this nonsense. And as I stated earlier, it seems like white people (lots of Antifa members) are committing a significant, if not majority, of the property damage and violence.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

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[Dominator83]

you can answer that question yourself

the end game is fairly obvious to anyone paying attention. it's the same of that of black lives matter. it's to get black people the same respect from cops that white people get. it's so we can live in a world where black parents don't have to teach their children how not to get killed by cops for no reason ('cause white parents sure don't have to do that). it's so we can live in a world where black people don't have to fear for their safety when they get pulled over for no reason while driving

I hear you there. But respect is earned. 1 out of every 13 blacks is a violent criminal. For whites 1 out of every 105. That's a major gap that needs to be closed considerably. It also shows how different each are being raised. Of course they're gonna have extra attention from police. Its gonna take major effort and reform on both ends before this country gets better. And trust me I wish it would. I would love to live in a world where cops aren't even needed because everyone just simply does the right thing and live their lives the right way. Unfortunately we know that ain't happening in this life

Dominater, I know you. I have spent time with you at Doug's draft parties. You're a cool guy. I am going to assume you have no ill intent. And I'll answer accordingly.

Imagine that you live in an impoverished Zipcode A and I live in wealthy Zipcode B. We are both 15 years old.

Zipcode A has the following features:
1) Most parents are doing 2 jobs. Or jobs with such long hours and low wages that they cannot afford after school care for their kids nor be there for you when you get home from school.
2) Most schools do not have after school programs because the system is such that most money goes to affluent zipcodes like mine in Zipcode B.
3) Cop cars and patrols are constant and much larger in magnitude in your neighborhood
4) There really isnt much for you to do here. There really isnt. You dont have a video game store, libraries, even a silly mall where you can jam out casually with friends.
5) There isnt even good public transportation that can take me away from my Zipcode so I can do something meaningful.
6) Because we dont have money but we have a lot of time, we decide to join one of the local gangs. At least that way, there is something to do and there is money to be made.

Meanwhile, I am bored in my rich suburban life in my Zipcode B.

I just came back from a school that has everything from the best teachers to the best gyms. And there are after school programs that serve the function of not only making me more skilled than you but also they keep me under adult supervision far longer than you. So, theres way less opportunity for me to mess up and do something stupid.

Then when I go home, my Mom is home because my Dads salary is enough to run the entire family comfortably. Or, if both my parents are working...they have hired me a sitter who again will ensure that I dont do something too stupid.

I can walk in my Zipcode whenever I want. I can leave my bike outside on the lawn. No ones going to steal it. That makes no sense to me. Why would they?

I can walk to any of the several stores, malls, movie theaters, ice cream shops etc. And safely come back home. In fact, I dont even think about safety. That's not what I think about at all. There are no cops around all the time with horns blaring and pulling over.

I start getting bored though. This life is so predictable and I dont need anything...so I start getting bored. My friends ( also from Zipcode B) decide to make a run to your Zipcode and buy some drugs from you.

We come over and dont know what we are doing. But we see you and come to buy some weed from you.

Because there are cop cars around all the time in your Zipcode, they immediately come onto the scene. You and your other teenager friends from Zipcode B are violently frisked and thrown up against the wall and searched. With cops shouting and sirens blaring. Soon there are 6 cop cars..all lights on and cops on radio. We are all now in the police databases. Some for the second time. And some - if older are going away for a few years.

Meanwhile, I and my friends from Zipcode A in the car..are given a STERN lecture and sent back home. Or given a citation. And asked to leave inmediately.

This is America. Has been for decades now.

I am shocked that only 1 in 13 blacks has been charged with a violent crime. I would have expected that number to be higher.

Well, I'm all for whatever would work to make the number lower and close that gap that's for Sure. But the effort does have to come from both ends.

Like, do you know where I heard the phrase "it starts at home" from? It was a co-worker, who was a BLACK former CPS teacher. He's no longer a CPS teacher because he quit. He quit because the kids are out of control, and the parents don't care. He said he would take time out of his day to call parents trying to find solutions, and the parents wanted none of it. So the kids were awful and the parents didn't have his back. When that's the case, it doesn't matter if your the Michael Jordan of teachers. Your not gonna succeed no matter what you do.

Like I understand kids not giving a ****. When I was in school, admittedly I didn't care. In grade school, the bulls were feeling off championships every year, the wrestling was great, that's all I cared about. In HS, the bulls sucked, but the wrestling was still great and I had a job and was pulling in like 30 hours a week. That's all I cared about! So school wise I was mediocre at best. But I never disrespected teachers and coaches, and my parents had their back. Kids don't always know better, but parents are adults and should know better.

But again, whatever helps these families break that cycle, I'm down for.

[musiqsoulchild]

I hear you there. But respect is earned. 1 out of every 13 blacks is a violent criminal. For whites 1 out of every 105. That's a major gap that needs to be closed considerably. It also shows how different each are being raised. Of course they're gonna have extra attention from police. Its gonna take major effort and reform on both ends before this country gets better. And trust me I wish it would. I would love to live in a world where cops aren't even needed because everyone just simply does the right thing and live their lives the right way. Unfortunately we know that ain't happening in this life

Dominater, I know you. I have spent time with you at Doug's draft parties. You're a cool guy. I am going to assume you have no ill intent. And I'll answer accordingly.

Imagine that you live in an impoverished Zipcode A and I live in wealthy Zipcode B. We are both 15 years old.

Zipcode A has the following features:
1) Most parents are doing 2 jobs. Or jobs with such long hours and low wages that they cannot afford after school care for their kids nor be there for you when you get home from school.
2) Most schools do not have after school programs because the system is such that most money goes to affluent zipcodes like mine in Zipcode B.
3) Cop cars and patrols are constant and much larger in magnitude in your neighborhood
4) There really isnt much for you to do here. There really isnt. You dont have a video game store, libraries, even a silly mall where you can jam out casually with friends.
5) There isnt even good public transportation that can take me away from my Zipcode so I can do something meaningful.
6) Because we dont have money but we have a lot of time, we decide to join one of the local gangs. At least that way, there is something to do and there is money to be made.

Meanwhile, I am bored in my rich suburban life in my Zipcode B.

I just came back from a school that has everything from the best teachers to the best gyms. And there are after school programs that serve the function of not only making me more skilled than you but also they keep me under adult supervision far longer than you. So, theres way less opportunity for me to mess up and do something stupid.

Then when I go home, my Mom is home because my Dads salary is enough to run the entire family comfortably. Or, if both my parents are working...they have hired me a sitter who again will ensure that I dont do something too stupid.

I can walk in my Zipcode whenever I want. I can leave my bike outside on the lawn. No ones going to steal it. That makes no sense to me. Why would they?

I can walk to any of the several stores, malls, movie theaters, ice cream shops etc. And safely come back home. In fact, I dont even think about safety. That's not what I think about at all. There are no cops around all the time with horns blaring and pulling over.

I start getting bored though. This life is so predictable and I dont need anything...so I start getting bored. My friends ( also from Zipcode B) decide to make a run to your Zipcode and buy some drugs from you.

We come over and dont know what we are doing. But we see you and come to buy some weed from you.

Because there are cop cars around all the time in your Zipcode, they immediately come onto the scene. You and your other teenager friends from Zipcode B are violently frisked and thrown up against the wall and searched. With cops shouting and sirens blaring. Soon there are 6 cop cars..all lights on and cops on radio. We are all now in the police databases. Some for the second time. And some - if older are going away for a few years.

Meanwhile, I and my friends from Zipcode A in the car..are given a STERN lecture and sent back home. Or given a citation. And asked to leave inmediately.

This is America. Has been for decades now.

I am shocked that only 1 in 13 blacks has been charged with a violent crime. I would have expected that number to be higher.

Well, I'm all for whatever would work to make the number lower and close that gap that's for Sure. But the effort does have to come from both ends.

Like, do you know where I heard the phrase "it starts at home" from? It was a co-worker, who was a BLACK former CPS teacher. He's no longer a CPS teacher because he quit. He quit because the kids are out of control, and the parents don't care. He said he would take time out of his day to call parents trying to find solutions, and the parents wanted none of it. So the kids were awful and the parents didn't have his back. When that's the case, it doesn't matter if your the Michael Jordan of teachers. Your not gonna succeed no matter what you do.

Like I understand kids not giving a ****. When I was in school, admittedly I didn't care. In grade school, the bulls were feeling off championships every year, the wrestling was great, that's all I cared about. In HS, the bulls sucked, but the wrestling was still great and I had a job and was pulling in like 30 hours a week. That's all I cared about! So school wise I was mediocre at best. But I never disrespected teachers and coaches, and my parents had their back. Kids don't always know better, but parents are adults and should know better.

But again, whatever helps these families break that cycle, I'm down for.

Even in that example, how can that teacher succeed if he doesnt have the tools to succeed?

Where is the budget for his school? Like the one a school in Wilmette or Niles have?

That's the true meaning of "Black Lives Matter".

The gap is systemic.

[League Circles]

Where do you see "widespread indiscriminate violence against random people" -- aside from what the cops are doing?

Maybe a poor word choice. When I wrote "widespread", I meant spread out over a location of a city, usually multiple blocks, etc, during an acute, heightened event of civil unrest. My point was to group "rioting" completely with "violence", and disassociate it from "protesting", which IMO is unrelated and positive.

These 4 things are all completely isolatable things to consider, inspect, and analyze:

1. Exactly what happened in the George Floyd case (and other SPECIFIC criminal activity - in this case criminal action by police officers)
2. The greater issue of excessive police force, which is a big problem throughout the country, especially but not exclusively for black people, and what to do about it policy wise.
3. Peaceful protests promoting social and political change to fix problems such as #2, or to advocate for SPECIFIC responses to examples of #1 (like a call to arrest a particular cop for example)
4. Indiscriminate looting and violence against random citizens and businesses.

These are not different sides of the same issue. They are different phenomenon, and should be addressed as such.

OK, but I'm asking, where are the rioters/protesters physically attacking random people?

I'm glued to the news and social media and I haven't seen it. It feels like property damage is being conflated with violence against people, and those are two very different things.

It happened to my best friend last night in Madison, WI. See his store link in my sig. One of his employees was attacked while the store was being looted last night and had to go to the ER. I'm not going to share the publicly available pic of him laying on the ground in blood being admininstered first aid for privacy reasons.

As for the frequency of such physical attacks against innocent people, I don't know what it is and I'd accept and agree with the implication, if you're making it, that some media or social media types, maybe right leaning or whatever, is exaggerated. BUT, it IS happening, for sure, and is a perfectly acceptable thing to be upset about and criticize.

Obviously the property damage is less of a problem and more prevalent than physical attacks but is still a big problem and should not in any way be glossed over. It's not in any way okay to go bust into a store even a big box chain store and ruin everything that all those people worked hard for and the countless thousands that are relying on those companies for their retirements etc etc. There's no excuse. It doesn't matter how upset someone is. we have to treat each other's with the dignity of individuals. Unless someone had some evidence or something that Target was systematically involved in police brutality I don't know why anyone would accept the notion that it's okay to go in and loot Target. And again diluting doesn't need to be compared with the police brutality in severity. It is a separate issue with separate individuals to be considered.

[musiqsoulchild]

Trevor Noah laid it down brilliantly.

If the cops and the system DO NOT follow the social contract of treating POC fairly, then why should POC follow the social contract and act in a manner that is predictable and becoming to the majority?

That's a valid question.

[wonderboy2]

Guys I also just want to add one thing. Again I’m not blaming everything on the police but there’s a lack of trust amongst the people in high crime areas and the police and for good reason. I can give you an example. I know a family who called the police on a gang that was jumping this one kid. An officer that responded told some of the gangbangers about the family that called about them and exactly where they lived. That family had to move. This happens ALOT, and is a big reason why African Americans in inner cities don’t go to the police because there is a lack of trust. Why go to the police if you feel like you will be outed to people who are doing wrong. But some people will never understand that if they never been or have seen somebody experience those circumstances.

[League Circles]

Trevor Noah laid it down brilliantly.

If the cops and the system DO NOT follow the social contract of treating POC fairly, then why should POC follow the social contract and act in a manner that is predictable and becoming to the majority?

That's a valid question.

What a load of ****. Identify group politics to the fullest.

There are no "cops", or "POC". There are INDIVIDUALS, and there is POLICY. There is nothing else. People shouldn't attack innocent people or their property, whether they are cops or not. ALL WE CAN DO is address INDIVIDUAL transgressions by cops and civilians, and work on better POLICY.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Maybe a poor word choice. When I wrote "widespread", I meant spread out over a location of a city, usually multiple blocks, etc, during an acute, heightened event of civil unrest. My point was to group "rioting" completely with "violence", and disassociate it from "protesting", which IMO is unrelated and positive.

These 4 things are all completely isolatable things to consider, inspect, and analyze:

1. Exactly what happened in the George Floyd case (and other SPECIFIC criminal activity - in this case criminal action by police officers)
2. The greater issue of excessive police force, which is a big problem throughout the country, especially but not exclusively for black people, and what to do about it policy wise.
3. Peaceful protests promoting social and political change to fix problems such as #2, or to advocate for SPECIFIC responses to examples of #1 (like a call to arrest a particular cop for example)
4. Indiscriminate looting and violence against random citizens and businesses.

These are not different sides of the same issue. They are different phenomenon, and should be addressed as such.

OK, but I'm asking, where are the rioters/protesters physically attacking random people?

I'm glued to the news and social media and I haven't seen it. It feels like property damage is being conflated with violence against people, and those are two very different things.

It happened to my best friend last night in Madison, WI. See his store link in my sig. One of his employees was attacked while the store was being looted last night and had to go to the ER. I'm not going to share the publicly available pic of him laying on the ground in blood being admininstered first aid for privacy reasons.

As for the frequency of such physical attacks against innocent people, I don't know what it is and I'd accept and agree with the implication, if you're making it, that some media or social media types, maybe right leaning or whatever, is exaggerated. BUT, it IS happening, for sure, and is a perfectly acceptable thing to be upset about and criticize.

Obviously the property damage is less of a problem and more prevalent than physical attacks but is still a big problem and should not in any way be glossed over. It's not in any way okay to go bust into a store even a big box chain store and ruin everything that all those people worked hard for and the countless thousands that are relying on those companies for their retirements etc etc. There's no excuse. It doesn't matter how upset someone is. we have to treat each other's with the dignity of individuals. Unless someone had some evidence or something that Target was systematically involved in police brutality I don't know why anyone would accept the notion that it's okay to go in and loot Target. And again diluting doesn't need to be compared with the police brutality in severity. It is a separate issue with separate individuals to be considered.

There is evidence that Target (a company I worked for briefly) is systemically involved in police brutality.

https://slate.com/business/2020/05/targets-long-history-with-minneapolis-police.html

Beyond what's in that article, the company invited Rich Stanek, a then-candidate for Hennepin County Sheriff who admitted under oath that he regularly used the n-word, to speak at their corporate campus when I worked there. It's one of a handful of reasons I quit after just 7 months. Stanek won that election, by the way, in no small part due to the image reform companies like Target helped him with.

And say Target and stores like it weren't involved in systemic police violence. This country has a long history of property destruction in service of social aims. Some of the damage is targeted. Some of it is collateral. I truly wish local businesses like your friend's could be left alone, and that opportunists - many of which are white supremacists and undercover cops - would stay out of it. But it's never worked that way, unfortunately. You can't take the chaos out of social uprisings. The unpredictability of these protests, riots - whatever you want to call them - is both a bug and a feature.

Personally, my concern lies with the parties who are most responsible for hurting PEOPLE, and that has been the police. You look at the way they've pepper sprayed, driven over, shot, trampled, and beaten people who are protesting peacefully - or in some cases minding their own business, on their own property - and you wonder how many of them have been spoiling for this fight.

[League Circles]

Another policy idea I have, if it's not already the case, is that there should be federal legislation that ALL cops have body cams and mics that can't be turned off, all squad cars the same, and ALL internal affairs investigations into police misconduct should be completely subject, at least after the fact, to full exposure under the freedom of information act, including all investigative notes, interviews, etc

[musiqsoulchild]

Trevor Noah laid it down brilliantly.

If the cops and the system DO NOT follow the social contract of treating POC fairly, then why should POC follow the social contract and act in a manner that is predictable and becoming to the majority?

That's a valid question.

What a load of ****. Identify group politics to the fullest.

There are no "cops", or "POC". There are INDIVIDUALS, and there is POLICY. There is nothing else. People shouldn't attack innocent people or their property, whether they are cops or not. ALL WE CAN DO is address INDIVIDUAL transgressions by cops and civilians, and work on better POLICY.

This is how it is man. From the animal kingdom to the human race.

We follow norms and standards so that we can coexist peacefully and with safety.

Once that safety and peace are not being given, then there is no incentive to follow norms and standards.

[League Circles]

Trevor Noah laid it down brilliantly.

If the cops and the system DO NOT follow the social contract of treating POC fairly, then why should POC follow the social contract and act in a manner that is predictable and becoming to the majority?

That's a valid question.

What a load of ****. Identify group politics to the fullest.

There are no "cops", or "POC". There are INDIVIDUALS, and there is POLICY. There is nothing else. People shouldn't attack innocent people or their property, whether they are cops or not. ALL WE CAN DO is address INDIVIDUAL transgressions by cops and civilians, and work on better POLICY.

This is how it is man. From the animal kingdom to the human race.

We follow norms and standards so that we can coexist peacefully and with safety.

Once that safety and peace are not being given, then there is no incentive to follow norms and standards.

Soooooo, which is it, should we act like animals or act civilized? I'm confused as to whether Noah's comment is a discription of the natural world or advocacy that we should act like animals and only interact according to group labels.....

[musiqsoulchild]

What a load of ****. Identify group politics to the fullest.

There are no "cops", or "POC". There are INDIVIDUALS, and there is POLICY. There is nothing else. People shouldn't attack innocent people or their property, whether they are cops or not. ALL WE CAN DO is address INDIVIDUAL transgressions by cops and civilians, and work on better POLICY.

This is how it is man. From the animal kingdom to the human race.

We follow norms and standards so that we can coexist peacefully and with safety.

Once that safety and peace are not being given, then there is no incentive to follow norms and standards.

Soooooo, which is it, should we act like animals or act civilized? I'm confused as to whether Noah's comment is a discription of the natural world or advocacy that we should act like animals and only interact according to group labels.....

We act in self interest. This is nothing new.

There are several groups and sub-groups that make us one American whole.

As long as each group and sub-group is being given its "societal contractual due" things are in equilibrium.

That is clearly NOT the case with policing and the black community.

That societal contract has not been upheld time after time.

WE ALL gave that cop the power to police over us. Because we believe that we need a 3rd party designated with the proper authority to keep us following our social obligation.

If that cop fails...REPEATEDLY..and the President calls us Thugs....then there is no obligation on our part to follow that social contract.

[Dominator83]

Dominater, I know you. I have spent time with you at Doug's draft parties. You're a cool guy. I am going to assume you have no ill intent. And I'll answer accordingly.

Imagine that you live in an impoverished Zipcode A and I live in wealthy Zipcode B. We are both 15 years old.

Zipcode A has the following features:
1) Most parents are doing 2 jobs. Or jobs with such long hours and low wages that they cannot afford after school care for their kids nor be there for you when you get home from school.
2) Most schools do not have after school programs because the system is such that most money goes to affluent zipcodes like mine in Zipcode B.
3) Cop cars and patrols are constant and much larger in magnitude in your neighborhood
4) There really isnt much for you to do here. There really isnt. You dont have a video game store, libraries, even a silly mall where you can jam out casually with friends.
5) There isnt even good public transportation that can take me away from my Zipcode so I can do something meaningful.
6) Because we dont have money but we have a lot of time, we decide to join one of the local gangs. At least that way, there is something to do and there is money to be made.

Meanwhile, I am bored in my rich suburban life in my Zipcode B.

I just came back from a school that has everything from the best teachers to the best gyms. And there are after school programs that serve the function of not only making me more skilled than you but also they keep me under adult supervision far longer than you. So, theres way less opportunity for me to mess up and do something stupid.

Then when I go home, my Mom is home because my Dads salary is enough to run the entire family comfortably. Or, if both my parents are working...they have hired me a sitter who again will ensure that I dont do something too stupid.

I can walk in my Zipcode whenever I want. I can leave my bike outside on the lawn. No ones going to steal it. That makes no sense to me. Why would they?

I can walk to any of the several stores, malls, movie theaters, ice cream shops etc. And safely come back home. In fact, I dont even think about safety. That's not what I think about at all. There are no cops around all the time with horns blaring and pulling over.

I start getting bored though. This life is so predictable and I dont need anything...so I start getting bored. My friends ( also from Zipcode B) decide to make a run to your Zipcode and buy some drugs from you.

We come over and dont know what we are doing. But we see you and come to buy some weed from you.

Because there are cop cars around all the time in your Zipcode, they immediately come onto the scene. You and your other teenager friends from Zipcode B are violently frisked and thrown up against the wall and searched. With cops shouting and sirens blaring. Soon there are 6 cop cars..all lights on and cops on radio. We are all now in the police databases. Some for the second time. And some - if older are going away for a few years.

Meanwhile, I and my friends from Zipcode A in the car..are given a STERN lecture and sent back home. Or given a citation. And asked to leave inmediately.

This is America. Has been for decades now.

I am shocked that only 1 in 13 blacks has been charged with a violent crime. I would have expected that number to be higher.

Well, I'm all for whatever would work to make the number lower and close that gap that's for Sure. But the effort does have to come from both ends.

Like, do you know where I heard the phrase "it starts at home" from? It was a co-worker, who was a BLACK former CPS teacher. He's no longer a CPS teacher because he quit. He quit because the kids are out of control, and the parents don't care. He said he would take time out of his day to call parents trying to find solutions, and the parents wanted none of it. So the kids were awful and the parents didn't have his back. When that's the case, it doesn't matter if your the Michael Jordan of teachers. Your not gonna succeed no matter what you do.

Like I understand kids not giving a ****. When I was in school, admittedly I didn't care. In grade school, the bulls were feeling off championships every year, the wrestling was great, that's all I cared about. In HS, the bulls sucked, but the wrestling was still great and I had a job and was pulling in like 30 hours a week. That's all I cared about! So school wise I was mediocre at best. But I never disrespected teachers and coaches, and my parents had their back. Kids don't always know better, but parents are adults and should know better.

But again, whatever helps these families break that cycle, I'm down for.

Even in that example, how can that teacher succeed if he doesnt have the tools to succeed?

Where is the budget for his school? Like the one a school in Wilmette or Niles have?

That's the true meaning of "Black Lives Matter".

The gap is systemic.

It doesn't matter what tools he has. If the kids don't care and have no respect, and the parents don't have his back, he can have the best tools on the planet and it won't make a difference. That's like giving E-robbery or Chris Felecio $32 million and expecting them to care about being a better basketball player.

[musiqsoulchild]

Well, I'm all for whatever would work to make the number lower and close that gap that's for Sure. But the effort does have to come from both ends.

Like, do you know where I heard the phrase "it starts at home" from? It was a co-worker, who was a BLACK former CPS teacher. He's no longer a CPS teacher because he quit. He quit because the kids are out of control, and the parents don't care. He said he would take time out of his day to call parents trying to find solutions, and the parents wanted none of it. So the kids were awful and the parents didn't have his back. When that's the case, it doesn't matter if your the Michael Jordan of teachers. Your not gonna succeed no matter what you do.

Like I understand kids not giving a ****. When I was in school, admittedly I didn't care. In grade school, the bulls were feeling off championships every year, the wrestling was great, that's all I cared about. In HS, the bulls sucked, but the wrestling was still great and I had a job and was pulling in like 30 hours a week. That's all I cared about! So school wise I was mediocre at best. But I never disrespected teachers and coaches, and my parents had their back. Kids don't always know better, but parents are adults and should know better.

But again, whatever helps these families break that cycle, I'm down for.

Even in that example, how can that teacher succeed if he doesnt have the tools to succeed?

Where is the budget for his school? Like the one a school in Wilmette or Niles have?

That's the true meaning of "Black Lives Matter".

The gap is systemic.

It doesn't matter what tools he has. If the kids don't care and have no respect, and the parents don't have his back, he can have the best tools on the planet and it won't make a difference. That's like giving E-robbery $32 million and expecting him to care about being a better basketball player.

ERob is not a bad example actually. He was given money.

But did he have the tools to succeed?

Shane Battier for example...less skilled than ERob. But made more in career earnings than ERob.

It starts from childhood and schooling.

The avenues open to kids and the time they can spend with parents are directly proportional to outcomes.

I used to like on the South Side. Everyday I would take the #4 bus to downtown. And then to university.

It took me 70 minutes to get there and 70 minutes back. I lost almost 3 hours a day just to educate myself for my Masters degree. And I HAVE privilege. I could afford a higher education.

I can't even imagine having to work for 8 dollars an hour in a McDonalds and spending 2 hours in commute. And then going home to take care of your kids in an engaged fashion.

These are not OBVIOUS examples of racism or classism.

These are deep rooted, fundamentally ingrained inequities in our system.

Free 4 year community college
Universal Basic Income
Equal access to quality education from childhood

These should the the NORM. Not some utopian dream of the future.

[GetBuLLish]

I'm glued to the news and social media and I haven't seen it. It feels like property damage is being conflated with violence against people, and those are two very different things.

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Two sisters have been arrested after a Molotov cocktail was thrown into a NYPD van with four officers inside.

https://jonathanturley.org/2020/05/31/the-shader-sisters-two-women-arrested-after-molotov-cocktail-is-thrown-into-van-with-four-officers/

Just some samples. There's also the cop that was shot and killed, I believe, in Texas. Plus a number of shootings in downtown Chicago last night.

[Ccwatercraft]

Protests and riots are erupting across the country. What will the economic and human life toll be on top of a recession and pandemic? Will it be worth whatever is gained?

And what is the end game? The officer has been charged with murder. What are the demands of protesters? Or is it just another round of venting and frustration with little gained?

How much of the turnout is motivated by people simply wanting an excuse to get out of the house after two+ months of lockdown?

That's the other thing. Now is absolutely not the time to be causing further economic downturn. Most of the people in this country are already effed as is because of all the damage this virus has caused. And now because of all these **** downtown were about to get slammed with another wave of Covid as well, right before our economy was set to reopen. If people are that passionate and wanna cause damage, drive over to Minnesota, where it actually happened. Destroying your own home just to make a point About something that happened elsewhere, is idiotic. That's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

That is precisely the point.

Looting, rioting occurs mostly in poor neighborhoods. Guess why?

Even in their delirious excitement people know that if they rioted in a rich neighborhood the rubber bullets flying now wouldn't be rubber anymore.

That's how MASSIVE the gap is in America. To have their voice heard they have to burn down their own homes.

There is a map of designated riot/burning areas for all major cities? I'd like to see that map, can you provide a link please?

[musiqsoulchild]

I'm glued to the news and social media and I haven't seen it. It feels like property damage is being conflated with violence against people, and those are two very different things.

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Two sisters have been arrested after a Molotov cocktail was thrown into a NYPD van with four officers inside.

https://jonathanturley.org/2020/05/31/the-shader-sisters-two-women-arrested-after-molotov-cocktail-is-thrown-into-van-with-four-officers/

Just some samples. There's also the cop that was shot and killed, I believe, in Texas. Plus a number of shootings in downtown Chicago last night.

And?

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

^ I'll take a look at these. The first three I wasn't familiar with.

Re: the last video, I can tell you that was in fact NOT the shop owner, and that he had charged that group of men with a sword before they stomped him out.

[musiqsoulchild]

That's the other thing. Now is absolutely not the time to be causing further economic downturn. Most of the people in this country are already effed as is because of all the damage this virus has caused. And now because of all these **** downtown were about to get slammed with another wave of Covid as well, right before our economy was set to reopen. If people are that passionate and wanna cause damage, drive over to Minnesota, where it actually happened. Destroying your own home just to make a point About something that happened elsewhere, is idiotic. That's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

That is precisely the point.

Looting, rioting occurs mostly in poor neighborhoods. Guess why?

Even in their delirious excitement people know that if they rioted in a rich neighborhood the rubber bullets flying now wouldn't be rubber anymore.

That's how MASSIVE the gap is in America. To have their voice heard they have to burn down their own homes.

There is a map of designated riot/burning areas for all major cities? I'd like to see that map, can you provide a link please?

You're purposely being obtuse.

My point is that on the second night...they burnt down Cub Foods, the local Target and many businesses local to them.

But they didnt do one similarly extreme act of arson in ex-cop Chauvins neighborhood.

They know better. They would have been gunned down right away.