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Way too early NBA draft thread 2021

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If we manage to get 3rd pick who do you draft?

Evan Mobley
21
14%
Jalen Suggs
89
61%
Terrence Clarke
1
1%
Jonathan Kuminga
9
6%
Ziaire Williams
1
1%
Usman Guruba
2
1%
Jalen Johnson
2
1%
Terrence Clarke
0
No votes
BJ Boston
3
2%
None of the Above
18
12%
 
Total votes: 146

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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#241 » by DuckIII » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:59 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:
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Senor Chang wrote:Imagine drafting Killian Hayes because we needed a bigger point guard to play alongside Coby and then they both end up being busts. Glad im not the GM. I did want Haliburton though for whatever it's worth.


Haliburton statistically is the best rookie so far in the 2020 draft class. We all knew this was going to happen. He was the most developed skill PG in the draft. People argued his ceiling though which is why they were more favoring Killian who so far looks like a complete bust.


this is why you dont draft for fit. there was a lot of experts here draft hayes over hali. you draft guys for skills not potential.


I don’t understand your post. Isn’t drafting guys based on skills and not potential essentially what drafting for fit is?

Anyway, one of the absolute worst draft “strategies” there is, is the cliche “always take BPA and ignore fit.” It is entirely too rigid.

If you have a player of questionable fit in a completely different talent tier than a lower tiered player who fits better, sure you ignore fit. But if they are in the same tier fit matters significantly.

Let’s say in this draft you had Wiseman and Ball in the same tier, but you had a higher draft grade on Wiseman. Just mechanically taking him over Ball because he’s “BPA” would be a colossally stupid thing to do with a roster like Chicago’s.

On the other hand, you don’t pass on elite prospects like Luka Doncic just because there might be some roster redundancy. You sort that out latter.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#242 » by Leslie Forman » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:11 pm

Chicagoat wrote:It's waaaaay too early to call Hayes a bust. Like the season only started and his season just ended early due to an injury. I am still a believer in Hayes.

The problem is that the injury he just had is an awful one. Having a bad hip this early in your career…no thanks.

I didn't like him much as a prospect but anybody can break out and prove critics wrong. Now it may not even matter. I wouldn't be shocked if he "recovers" but his ceiling just plummets like Markelle Fultz, or Zhaire Smith, or Dante Exum, or Shaun Livingston - he plays, he's on a roster, maybe he's even decent enough to have a long career - but he's never, ever what he would have been without the injury.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#243 » by Andi Obst » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:17 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:there was a lot of experts here draft hayes over hali. you draft guys for skills not potential.


Still doing that 10 times out of 10. Acting like we know how good of a player Killian Hayes is going to be after 148 total minutes on a horrible team is just ridiculous.

Hali is good though, no question.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#244 » by Andi Obst » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:18 pm

Leslie Forman wrote:The problem is that the injury he just had is an awful one.


Yeah, the injury part scares me too. That's a very legit concern right now.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#245 » by HoopsterJones » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:28 pm

Same mantra as always. BPA. The last four draft picks the Bulls had are in the starting lineup now along with Zach LaVine.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#246 » by PlayerUp » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:00 pm

Leslie Forman wrote:
Chicagoat wrote:It's waaaaay too early to call Hayes a bust. Like the season only started and his season just ended early due to an injury. I am still a believer in Hayes.

The problem is that the injury he just had is an awful one. Having a bad hip this early in your career…no thanks.

I didn't like him much as a prospect but anybody can break out and prove critics wrong. Now it may not even matter. I wouldn't be shocked if he "recovers" but his ceiling just plummets like Markelle Fultz, or Zhaire Smith, or Dante Exum, or Shaun Livingston - he plays, he's on a roster, maybe he's even decent enough to have a long career - but he's never, ever what he would have been without the injury.


I said looks like a complete bust didn't say he was and there is nothing wrong with what I said @Chicagoat. Killian Hayes has essentially played as bad as Marquis Teague with a negative 1.18 PER. He is the worst starter in the NBA.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#247 » by CjayC » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:30 pm

Hayes looked baaaad man. I'll eat crow on that one. Looked way overmatched. He needs to walk before he can run, and definitely cut out those difficult step-backs he likes, also improve his handle, among other things. He should not be anywhere near a starting lining up, that's how you kill a kid's confidence.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#248 » by MGB8 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:32 pm

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Nice handle, looks like great vision and feel for passing. Solid size, only “ok” explosion / step, at least in that video. Didn’t see much shooting...
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#249 » by PlayerUp » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:01 pm

MGB8 wrote:Didn’t see much shooting...


Sharife Cooper is shooting 1/16 from 3 so far this season.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#250 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:07 am

Starting to think Mobley’s the best prospect in this class.

I don’t think Cade’s fast or manipulative enough (a la Luka) to dominate in the league. In the 5 or so Oklahoma State games I’ve watched, he just blends in too often. He’s a team player, won’t force it, yep - totally get it. But the longer he goes without flashing that 5th gear, the more skeptical I am that it’s there.

Suggs is awesome. I wonder about the finishing though. He’s athletic but not explosive at the rim. If I were drafting on gut I might take him #2. Doubt I’d have the nerve to pass on Cade’s size though.

Mobley has shown enough of everything that I wouldn’t foreclose on him doing any one thing in particular. Shooting, passing, driving, diving, post play, perimeter D, rim protection. It’s all there. I want another big like I want a hole in the head, but he just looks undeniable to me.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#251 » by PlayerUp » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:20 am

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:Starting to think Mobley’s the best prospect in this class.

I don’t think Cade’s fast or manipulative enough (a la Luka) to dominate in the league. In the 5 or so Oklahoma State games I’ve watched, he just blends in too often. He’s a team player, won’t force it, yep - totally get it. But the longer he goes without flashing that 5th gear, the more skeptical I am that it’s there.

Suggs is awesome. I wonder about the finishing though. He’s athletic but not explosive at the rim. If I were drafting on gut I might take him #2. Doubt I’d have the nerve to pass on Cade’s size though.

Mobley has shown enough of everything that I wouldn’t foreclose on him doing any one thing in particular. Shooting, passing, driving, diving, post play, perimeter D, rim protection. It’s all there. I want another big like I want a hole in the head, but he just looks undeniable to me.


We may not have a shot at any of these talents if we keep winning but us landing any of the top 5 prospects in this draft is a major win.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#252 » by rtblues » Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:23 pm

PlayerUp wrote:
MGB8 wrote:Didn’t see much shooting...


Sharife Cooper is shooting 1/16 from 3 so far this season.


He has a high turnover rate as well.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#253 » by MGB8 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:40 pm

rtblues wrote:
PlayerUp wrote:
MGB8 wrote:Didn’t see much shooting...


Sharife Cooper is shooting 1/16 from 3 so far this season.


He has a high turnover rate as well.


Understood - though the turnovers don't necessarily worry me as much as the shooting, given how aggressive he is with the ball.

He's definitely a player to keep an eye on, scouting wise. Is the shot something that can/will grow? Is he getting smarter with the ball as things progress.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#254 » by PlayerUp » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:38 pm

MGB8 wrote:
rtblues wrote:
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Sharife Cooper is shooting 1/16 from 3 so far this season.


He has a high turnover rate as well.


Understood - though the turnovers don't necessarily worry me as much as the shooting, given how aggressive he is with the ball.

He's definitely a player to keep an eye on, scouting wise. Is the shot something that can/will grow? Is he getting smarter with the ball as things progress.


Well we'll likely need to take a gamble here if we draft outside the Top 5 as this draft is lacking serious talent outside the Top 5. If Cooper starts hitting hit outside shots he may climb into the Top 10. He's short as well 0.2m shorter than Trae Young.
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Post#255 » by PlayerUp » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:04 pm

The last prospects to come into this draft with that high of asset / scoring ratio were Ja Morant and Trae Young. So yeah we should definitely keep an eye on Cooper. The shooting/height is an issue.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#256 » by Kukoc-Lauri » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:11 pm

There is few nice players in Bulls most likley range 7-14. Gregg Brown looking like more fluid Aaron Gordon, Bouknight is like poor's man Lavine, Moody is like early Porter when he was still healthy. Barnes is gonna be bust or fringe all star, all defensive type guy, Green with better offense. Zaire similar to Larry Hughes/Kerry Kittles more relaying and setteling on jumpers.Kai Jones is C.Wood type. I believe Ak would always pick most talented guy not most ready or from big programs. There is huge difference between pattern of calling draft picks from Ak and GarPax.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#257 » by NocioniHomie » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:44 pm

What does everyone think about Josh Giddey? Might take a few years to develop, but he could fit perfectly with the Bulls if we end up out of the lottery. A big PG with great vision and passing skills.





He's an 18-yr old in the NBL and if he starts to show out like he's done early in the season, he could be fast-riser. Not as athletic as LaMelo, but considering size, age, and skill that might be his ceiling. His floor seems to be in the Satoransky range.

I think he's someone for Bulls fans to keep an eye on
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#258 » by TheSuzerain » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:57 pm

I like Giddey but more so in the late 1st or early 2nd.
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Re: Way too early NBA draft thread 2021 

Post#259 » by NocioniHomie » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:04 am

If he puts up stats similar to LaMelo in the NBL (which seems possible), you'd have to think he'd start to quickly rise right?
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Post#260 » by TheSuzerain » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:08 am

NocioniHomie wrote:If he puts up stats similar to LaMelo in the NBL (which seems possible), you'd have to think he'd start to quickly rise right?

I feel like in current mocks he's going late 2nd round which looks wrong to me even when you ignore him playing well in the NBL.

I do think he'll rise into 1st round consideration if he has good stats. Will be interesting if he or Mojave King gets drafted first.

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