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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#241 » by DuckIII » Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:56 pm

Jvaughn wrote:I'm probably in a company of one in this thinking, but I'm not worried in the least bit about Matas shooting. In fact I'd be shocked if he's below 35% from 3 in his rookie year.


I'm not worried about it either beyond acknowledging it needs to improve. The form is there, the work ethic is there, and the open looks should be there (and if DDR, Zach and Vuc are gone, the ball should be there as well). I just don't share your optimism that he'll reach average 3pt efficiency in year 1. I do think it will be more of a process than that.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#242 » by drosestruts » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:01 pm

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drosestruts wrote:Posted several Ben Pfiefer videos throughout the leadup to the draft. He graded the Buzelis pick as an A for the Bulls and added these thoughts:

In a poetic turn of events, the Chicago kid fell all the way to his hometown Bulls outside of the top 10. That's quite the slide for Buzelis, who many (myself included) view as a mid-lottery or better-level talent in this draft due to his slashing and from protection upside. His questionable jumper looms large on a shooting-challenged Bulls team, but this pick is a step in the correct direction


link - https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/2024-nba-draft-grades-lakers-get-a-milwaukee-get-f?=skredd

His shooting and his ability to add some strength seems like the biggest variables in Buzelis becoming a very good player.

At 19 I don't worry too much about his ability to add size/strength, so I guess a lot of his swing will come down to the shooting numbers.


I'm probably in a company of one in this thinking, but I'm not worried in the least bit about Matas shooting. In fact I'd be shocked if he's below 35% from 3 in his rookie year.


Can I borrow some of that confidence?

The 26% shooting in the G-league terrifies me.

For comparison, Julian Phillips shot 47% from 3 in the G-league but could only muster 31% in NBA games. Indicating to me that scoring in the NBA is harder than the G-league (no duh right).

I don't see how Buzelis jumps 10 percentage points when he struggled to shoot in the G-league
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#243 » by sco » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:03 pm

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drosestruts wrote:Posted several Ben Pfiefer videos throughout the leadup to the draft. He graded the Buzelis pick as an A for the Bulls and added these thoughts:

In a poetic turn of events, the Chicago kid fell all the way to his hometown Bulls outside of the top 10. That's quite the slide for Buzelis, who many (myself included) view as a mid-lottery or better-level talent in this draft due to his slashing and from protection upside. His questionable jumper looms large on a shooting-challenged Bulls team, but this pick is a step in the correct direction


link - https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/2024-nba-draft-grades-lakers-get-a-milwaukee-get-f?=skredd

His shooting and his ability to add some strength seems like the biggest variables in Buzelis becoming a very good player.

At 19 I don't worry too much about his ability to add size/strength, so I guess a lot of his swing will come down to the shooting numbers.


I'm probably in a company of one in this thinking, but I'm not worried in the least bit about Matas shooting. In fact I'd be shocked if he's below 35% from 3 in his rookie year.

Like your optimism, what's the basis for it?

IIRC someone said that he came into last season injured and out of shape and that he shot 39% for his last 10 games, but I have no evidence to that end.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#244 » by prolific passer » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:16 pm

Like the bulls to trade into the 2nd round and get Filipowski
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#245 » by LuDux1 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:25 pm

Jstock12 wrote:I hope Matas can surpass Darius Songaila and Martynas Andriuškevičius to claim the number one spot in the Chicago Bulls Lithuanian top3.


You forgot Brent Barry, son of legendary Ričardas Barys of course
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#246 » by pylb » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:34 pm

Sorry if this has been asked before.

I didn't follow the draft closely, is there a reason Matas fell 5 or so spots lower than where he seemed to be projected?
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#247 » by JohnnyKILLroy » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:41 pm

I’m not worried about his shooting. His form is nice and clean. He also said he went GLeague to play against grown men and the actual NBA 3 point line distance. He shot the ball better as the year went on. There’s nothing wrong with his shot. He’s athletic enough tall enough and his handle is good enough to get himself into any clean look jumper he wants.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#248 » by Axl Rose » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:46 pm

pylb wrote:Sorry if this has been asked before.

I didn't follow the draft closely, is there a reason Matas fell 5 or so spots lower than where he seemed to be projected?


There's nothing that came up last minute if that's what you're wondering. I think we just lucky similar to Odunze with the teams that picked before us. Minny trading for the Spurs second pick was major.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#249 » by Kurt Heimlich » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:48 pm

pylb wrote:Sorry if this has been asked before.

I didn't follow the draft closely, is there a reason Matas fell 5 or so spots lower than where he seemed to be projected?


Nothing glaring from an injury or known background/character aspect if thats what you're asking. Guys obviously move up and down from mock draft projections all the time. And this draft was as much of a toss up as any in recent memory. It's a weird draft in how little is expected from the entire class at this point in time.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#250 » by DASMACKDOWN » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:04 pm

pylb wrote:Sorry if this has been asked before.

I didn't follow the draft closely, is there a reason Matas fell 5 or so spots lower than where he seemed to be projected?


My guess is a few reasons.

Detroit sort of changed up at the very end and grabbed Holland. Not a major surprise but a little bit. Thats more given their roster more than anything else.

Realistically everyone is so close, you are taking a variant of the same player.

Risacher. Matas, Salaun are really not much different than each other. Charlotte could have easily picked Matas and if would have all been the same.

After that though I think teams picked for need. TWolves trading in for their guy. Edey going to Grizz cause they want someone big. Danny Ainge could also have easily picked Matas but he chose Cody Williams.

When you figure no one is head and shoulders over the other, I dont even think anyone really "drops" in this draft.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#251 » by Jvaughn » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:05 pm

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Jvaughn wrote:I'm probably in a company of one in this thinking, but I'm not worried in the least bit about Matas shooting. In fact I'd be shocked if he's below 35% from 3 in his rookie year.


I'm not worried about it either beyond acknowledging it needs to improve. The form is there, the work ethic is there, and the open looks should be there (and if DDR, Zach and Vuc are gone, the ball should be there as well). I just don't share your optimism that he'll reach average 3pt efficiency in year 1. I do think it will be more of a process than that.


I liken it to the Patrick Williams shot in Year 1. Where people thought his shooting was going to be a weakness, but he shot quite well (on low attempts) right out the gate. Much like Matas, they both shot it well in HS.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#252 » by Dan Z » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:19 pm

Everyone keeps pointing out that Buzelis is lithuanian. Wasn't he born and raised here?

I know that his parents are from Lithuania, but the way people talk about Buzelis is as if he comes from the European Basketball league.
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Post#253 » by jnrjr79 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:21 pm

Dan Z wrote:Everyone keeps pointing out that Buzelis is lithuanian. Wasn't he born and raised here?

I know that his parents are from Lithuania, but the way people talk about Buzelis is as if he comes from the European Basketball league.


I think it's brought up a lot b/c AK is Lithuanian and knows Buzelis's parents. But then also you just sort of have that legendary Lithuanian basketball lineage, so it's not surprising they'd bring it up, particularly when both his parents played professionally there.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#254 » by Kurt Heimlich » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:25 pm

Dan Z wrote:Everyone keeps pointing out that Buzelis is lithuanian. Wasn't he born and raised here?

I know that his parents are from Lithuania, but the way people talk about Buzelis is as if he comes from the European Basketball league.


From the little clips they showed it seems like his Lithuanian parents/heritage is important as well as the countries strong basketball roots. But yeah, I was confused by the emphasis on that as well lol. Felt like the broadcast was like "well he didn't play in college...so lets label him a Lithuanian player" :lol:
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#255 » by Sakkreth » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:38 pm

Dan Z wrote:Everyone keeps pointing out that Buzelis is lithuanian. Wasn't he born and raised here?

I know that his parents are from Lithuania, but the way people talk about Buzelis is as if he comes from the European Basketball league.


He kinda got the best of both worlds in a way. American mentality and confidence that he's the best, as well as individualistic system of american high schools, which often gets a lot of flack, but it's undeniable that it allows the greatest talents to do their thing. Now on the other hand he got good genes and support from his Lithuanian family, which is full of athletes, and Lithuanian pride/culture of basketball. Matas dad was a pro player and worked for a looong time with the Lithuanian national team after retiring and now is personal Jonas Valanciunas' physiotherapist. Matas said he's been asking Jonas Valanciunas about a lot of things related to the NBA, he also worked out together at the younger age with JV. Besides, him and his family is highly intervined in Lithuanian community in Chicago, he speaks Lithuanian, has a Lithuanian name. You don't randomly learn Lithuanian(which is kinda useless outside of Lithuania and is hard af), and Lithuanian names are usually unique to Lithuanians, in Matas case it's no different.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#256 » by Ice Man » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:39 pm

Dan Z wrote:Everyone keeps pointing out that Buzelis is lithuanian. Wasn't he born and raised here?


Yep. He's like Domantas Sabonis, born in the United States to Lithuanian immigrant parents. From the basketball perspective, he's from both countries, because he's eligible to play for the Lithuanian national team -- which in fact Sabonis does. Matas likely will, too, if he becomes good enough to be an NBA rotation player.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#257 » by Jvaughn » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:40 pm

sco wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
drosestruts wrote:Posted several Ben Pfiefer videos throughout the leadup to the draft. He graded the Buzelis pick as an A for the Bulls and added these thoughts:



link - https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/2024-nba-draft-grades-lakers-get-a-milwaukee-get-f?=skredd

His shooting and his ability to add some strength seems like the biggest variables in Buzelis becoming a very good player.

At 19 I don't worry too much about his ability to add size/strength, so I guess a lot of his swing will come down to the shooting numbers.


I'm probably in a company of one in this thinking, but I'm not worried in the least bit about Matas shooting. In fact I'd be shocked if he's below 35% from 3 in his rookie year.

Like your optimism, what's the basis for it?

IIRC someone said that he came into last season injured and out of shape and that he shot 39% for his last 10 games, but I have no evidence to that end.


Like I was telling Duck, I don't put much stake in Ignite shooting percentages. His form is sound, and he has repeatable mechanics. Plus he didn't shoot below 40% from 3 in college. I think he'll have the same adjustment Pat did shooting wise.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#258 » by sco » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:43 pm

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I'm probably in a company of one in this thinking, but I'm not worried in the least bit about Matas shooting. In fact I'd be shocked if he's below 35% from 3 in his rookie year.

Like your optimism, what's the basis for it?

IIRC someone said that he came into last season injured and out of shape and that he shot 39% for his last 10 games, but I have no evidence to that end.


Like I was telling Duck, I don't put much stake in Ignite shooting percentages. His form is sound, and he has repeatable mechanics. Plus he didn't shoot below 40% from 3 in college. I think he'll have the same adjustment Pat did shooting wise.

Besides we have that guy Peter Pettigrew or Peter Parker as our shooting coach!
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#259 » by Jcool0 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:44 pm

These guys do good deep dives:

Let’s start with the shooting, because that’s what he was most known for coming into the season. During his senior season at Sunrise Christian Academy, he was electric, knocking down 43.1% of his threes in 29 games tracked by Synergy. Unfortunately, that level of success has not been sustained with the Ignite. Across all games with them, he’s converted only 26.6% of his triples on 3.6 attempts per game. Most of these looks have been spot-ups, so while he doesn’t get a ton of uncontested looks, the degree of difficulty hasn’t been out of control, either. It appears as if he’s struggled to adapt to the NBA line, with many of his shots coming up short.

From a purely aesthetic standpoint, it’s a pretty, balanced jumper with a pure, high release. Given Buzelis’s 75% mark at the charity stripe, his prior track record, and the fact that he’s battled injury this season, I’m optimistic. Plus, he’s already on the upswing. The G League season is broken into two chunks—the Showcase Cup and the regular season. The Showcase Cup came first, and Buzelis was only at 22.2% during those games. In the time since, he’s been at 29.7%. It’s still not ideal, but it’s better.

Buzelis is helped by the fact that he’s not just a three-point specialist. He’s a talented mid-range scorer with a smooth pull-up and soft floater. If a defender flies by on a closeout and needs to take a shot off one or two dribbles, he’s more than capable of doing that. But what makes him even more appealing is his polish generating space in this area of the floor. Buzelis boasts great deceleration, and his ability to stop quickly often catches defenders off balance and gets him some extra room. He also has some junk to his handle and footwork, with various setups and combinations he can string together going east-west or for a stepback. Per Synergy, he’s converted 41.2% of his off-the-dribble twos this season, which is a rock-solid mark. This also gives him a solid opportunity to expand that type of scoring to the three-point line in the future.

He’s been solid at the rim, too, converting 58% of his shots at the basket in the halfcourt with 32.7% of his shots taking place there, per Synergy.

Even better, there’s a clear path to Buzelis improving, and that involves him continuing to get stronger. Right now, his touch doesn’t hold up that well when he’s met with contact at the rim.

Otherwise, there’s a lot to like. He has the gravity, strides, and off-the-bounce creation to get to the rack on a consistent basis. His bounciness and length are a sublime pairing that allows him to finish above the rim. When defenders are in his way, he has the coordination to contort and convert. Even without the ball, Buzelis has the intellect to know when and where to cut to get easy buckets. Given that he’s already a solid finisher in spite of his frame, I’m excited about this area of his game going forward.


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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - Chicago Bulls select Matas Buzelis with the 11th pick 

Post#260 » by Jvaughn » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:48 pm

sco wrote:
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sco wrote:Like your optimism, what's the basis for it?

IIRC someone said that he came into last season injured and out of shape and that he shot 39% for his last 10 games, but I have no evidence to that end.


Like I was telling Duck, I don't put much stake in Ignite shooting percentages. His form is sound, and he has repeatable mechanics. Plus he didn't shoot below 40% from 3 in college. I think he'll have the same adjustment Pat did shooting wise.

Besides we have that guy Peter Pettigrew or Peter Parker as our shooting coach!


To see what Patton was able to accomplish in one off-season with Ayo, we should all be encouraged. If he can help Matas, as well as Giddey improve that will make the game so much easier. The floor has been so compact with this team. I can't imagine how good Coby, and to a lesser extent Zach would look with driving lanes.
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