Building around Coby-Giddey-Matas

[ChettheJet]

The more the Bulls play this way the more I can see building around that trio. For now Collins can be your starting center with Smith off the bench. I like a bench of Ball, Huerter, Williams, keep Phillips. Add #11, resign Tre Jones. That makes 11 spots, looking for a third center, maybe a PF and a couple of shooters

The 1st hope would be trading Vucevic for a starting SF, moving on from Carter, Terry, Dosunmu

[League Circles]

On a contender? They’ll need an elite NBA star as well. Unless Matas proves to be that, which is certainly not a given at all.

I think with the right 4th and 5th guys they'd have a chance without an elite star. Like the 2004 Pistons or 2014 Spurs that both actually won a title without an elite star, or the Knicks or Rockets that are current top 5 record teams without an elite star IMO.

That 2004 Pistons team was an anomaly and that group only won one championship. The 2014 Spurs had Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili all of which are Hall of Fame players. Yes it was later in their Careers but they all knew how to win and had championship experience that no one can teach. They also had a Hall of fame coach. If Jordan, Pippen and Phil Jackson all came back in 1999 and won a championship that year or the following year it would have been a similar situation.

I disagree. Jordan was the best player in the league still at that time. Duncan wasn't close to that.

Detroit may seem like an anomaly to some, but not to me. They were about as well balanced in terms of skillsets as you could possibly build, and generally 5 really good players including several high level defenders. IMO teams just don't really even try to build teams like that anymore, which is incredibly dumb to me, because only 2 or 3 teams ever have much of a chance to win a title due to having the "best" player. In some sense, many teams should be trying to get the best 3rd, 4th or 5th best starter they can. The Bulls can either go dumb or smart with those guys. Coby and Giddey and maybe Matas are looking like really good players, but they'll never be superstars IMO and that means the 4th and 5th guys are absolutely critical. If we can get the caliber of a modern version of Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince for those roles, we have a good chance at a contender IMO.

[Chi town]

I know the competition sucked but Giddey sure seemed to have another gear today. Sprinting the court and diving for loose balls. Even his 3 looked really good and even quick in catch and shoot. Couple of those layups go in and another 3 and he would have had a monster game.

Coby looks like he can do anything he wants. Impressive. His bag has got to be one of the deepest in the league from all 3 levels.

Buz is still a rookie. Easy to forget. Love how he cuts baseline for dunks. That 3 ball looks good. Got to keep making those FTs.

[Am2626]

I think with the right 4th and 5th guys they'd have a chance without an elite star. Like the 2004 Pistons or 2014 Spurs that both actually won a title without an elite star, or the Knicks or Rockets that are current top 5 record teams without an elite star IMO.

That 2004 Pistons team was an anomaly and that group only won one championship. The 2014 Spurs had Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili all of which are Hall of Fame players. Yes it was later in their Careers but they all knew how to win and had championship experience that no one can teach. They also had a Hall of fame coach. If Jordan, Pippen and Phil Jackson all came back in 1999 and won a championship that year or the following year it would have been a similar situation.

I disagree. Jordan was the best player in the league still at that time. Duncan wasn't close to that.

Detroit may seem like an anomaly to some, but not to me. They were about as well balanced in terms of skillsets as you could possibly build, and generally 5 really good players including several high level defenders. IMO teams just don't really even try to build teams like that anymore, which is incredibly dumb to me, because only 2 or 3 teams ever have much of a chance to win a title due to having the "best" player. In some sense, many teams should be trying to get the best 3rd, 4th or 5th best starter they can. The Bulls can either go dumb or smart with those guys. Coby and Giddey and maybe Matas are looking like really good players, but they'll never be superstars IMO and that means the 4th and 5th guys are absolutely critical. If we can get the caliber of a modern version of Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince for those roles, we have a good chance at a contender IMO.

Who are these 4th and 5th guys? You also can’t argue the fact that the Pistons only won 1 championship. Once LeBron came into his own that was the end of the Pistons run.

The 90’s Cavs are a good comp. They had a good but not great team but were never able to get past the Bulls.

[cocktailswith_2short]

We still obviously are missing a crucial piece . A star c or sf would be preferred but they don't grow on trees . But at least we have a foundation built . A star could come here and win right away they wouldn't be muddled in a rebuild . Cap space is about to get complicated akme has there work cut out for them .

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Incredible . He will have years to build onto this . The Caruso trade went from we lost the trade initially to maybe we fleeced them quick lol .

[Peelboy]

How to build a contender with Coby/Giddey/Matas:
1. Bulls win 2 of remaining 3 (lose Cavs, beat Heat/Wiz).
2. Beat the Heat in the home playing.
3. Lose to the loser of Hawks/Magic (I suspect Hawks lose to Orlando then beat Bulls).
4. Using the likely 1.5% change, win lottery.
5. Draft Flagg

Flagg-Coby-Giddy-Matas is a title contending core. Extend Coby/Giddey at $35 and $30/yr each.

And if you really want to dream, concurrently the Blazers win out while Dallas/Sacramento fade. Portland wins 2 games to claim the 8th in west and Bulls draft 1 (Flagg) and 15 (Queen? Malauch?).

Profit.

[Ballerkingn23]

And whomever we draft this year should be included. Everyone else is chop liver at this point to me. This includes Ayo, and Pat sorry to say. He's a lost cause at this point. I think too many injuries and just too passive a nature of a guy to truly reach his full potential. The pick should've been who was rumored to us at the time Dani Avi or Halliburton although taking him at 4 is hindsight. Either way yes Coby, Giddy, Matas right now are the future.

[Lunartic]

Giddey/Matas should be considered starters on a future playoff team. The rest of the assets should be used to draft/sign a star.

Coby isn't good enough to command the money he will get. Pwill is just awful. No one else really matters.

Unfortunately, there aren't many stars in the NBA and those guys are under lock and key. Maybe the Clippers want to rebuild and they give up old man Kawhi.

[kodo]

That 2004 Pistons team was an anomaly and that group only won one championship. The 2014 Spurs had Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili all of which are Hall of Fame players. Yes it was later in their Careers but they all knew how to win and had championship experience that no one can teach. They also had a Hall of fame coach. If Jordan, Pippen and Phil Jackson all came back in 1999 and won a championship that year or the following year it would have been a similar situation.

I disagree. Jordan was the best player in the league still at that time. Duncan wasn't close to that.

Detroit may seem like an anomaly to some, but not to me. They were about as well balanced in terms of skillsets as you could possibly build, and generally 5 really good players including several high level defenders. IMO teams just don't really even try to build teams like that anymore, which is incredibly dumb to me, because only 2 or 3 teams ever have much of a chance to win a title due to having the "best" player. In some sense, many teams should be trying to get the best 3rd, 4th or 5th best starter they can. The Bulls can either go dumb or smart with those guys. Coby and Giddey and maybe Matas are looking like really good players, but they'll never be superstars IMO and that means the 4th and 5th guys are absolutely critical. If we can get the caliber of a modern version of Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince for those roles, we have a good chance at a contender IMO.

Who are these 4th and 5th guys? You also can’t argue the fact that the Pistons only won 1 championship. Once LeBron came into his own that was the end of the Pistons run.

The 90’s Cavs are a good comp. They had a good but not great team but were never able to get past the Bulls.

Pistons were not even an anomaly, they were as loaded with stars as any team we've seen.

Billups: MVP contender (top 5 in MVP voting)
Rip: 4x All-Star
Prince: 4x All Defense team
Sheed: 4x All Star
Big Ben: 4x All Star, 4x DPOY

The equivalent team today would be

Jayson Tatum (top 5 in MVP voting)
Devin Booker (4x all star SG)
Jaylen Brown (4x all star F)
Bam Adebayo (4x all Defense)
Rudy Gobert (4x DPOY)

Would anyone call that team a no-star championship team?

[WesPeace]

Yeah, never understood bashing of that Pistons championship team, that team had great individuals and also great team overall, all star players, DPOY, MVP contender..

[eierluke]

I disagree. Jordan was the best player in the league still at that time. Duncan wasn't close to that.

Detroit may seem like an anomaly to some, but not to me. They were about as well balanced in terms of skillsets as you could possibly build, and generally 5 really good players including several high level defenders. IMO teams just don't really even try to build teams like that anymore, which is incredibly dumb to me, because only 2 or 3 teams ever have much of a chance to win a title due to having the "best" player. In some sense, many teams should be trying to get the best 3rd, 4th or 5th best starter they can. The Bulls can either go dumb or smart with those guys. Coby and Giddey and maybe Matas are looking like really good players, but they'll never be superstars IMO and that means the 4th and 5th guys are absolutely critical. If we can get the caliber of a modern version of Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince for those roles, we have a good chance at a contender IMO.

Who are these 4th and 5th guys? You also can’t argue the fact that the Pistons only won 1 championship. Once LeBron came into his own that was the end of the Pistons run.

The 90’s Cavs are a good comp. They had a good but not great team but were never able to get past the Bulls.

Pistons were not even an anomaly, they were as loaded with stars as any team we've seen.

Billups: MVP contender (top 5 in MVP voting)
Rip: 4x All-Star
Prince: 4x All Defense team
Sheed: 4x All Star
Big Ben: 4x All Star, 4x DPOY

The equivalent team today would be

Jayson Tatum (top 5 in MVP voting)
Devin Booker (4x all star SG)
Jaylen Brown (4x all star F)
Bam Adebayo (4x all Defense)
Rudy Gobert (4x DPOY)

Would anyone call that team a no-star championship team?

Chauncey Billups 1 x all nba 2nd team, 2 x all nba 3rd team
Ben Wallace 3 x all nba 2nd team, 2 x all nba 3rd team
That ain't that bad, but every other NBA Champion had at least one player in his prime aboard who was an NBA MVP or at least an all nba 1st teamer.
So Detroit of course is the exception of the rule.

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[Am2626]

Who are these 4th and 5th guys? You also can’t argue the fact that the Pistons only won 1 championship. Once LeBron came into his own that was the end of the Pistons run.

The 90’s Cavs are a good comp. They had a good but not great team but were never able to get past the Bulls.

Pistons were not even an anomaly, they were as loaded with stars as any team we've seen.

Billups: MVP contender (top 5 in MVP voting)
Rip: 4x All-Star
Prince: 4x All Defense team
Sheed: 4x All Star
Big Ben: 4x All Star, 4x DPOY

The equivalent team today would be

Jayson Tatum (top 5 in MVP voting)
Devin Booker (4x all star SG)
Jaylen Brown (4x all star F)
Bam Adebayo (4x all Defense)
Rudy Gobert (4x DPOY)

Would anyone call that team a no-star championship team?

Chauncey Billups 1 x all nba 2nd team, 2 x all nba 3rd team
Ben Wallace 3 x all nba 2nd team, 2 x all nba 3rd team
That ain't that bad, but every other NBA Champion had at least one player in his prime aboard who was an NBA MVP or at least an all nba 1st teamer.
So Detroit of course is the exception of the rule.

There was no one on that Pistons team as good as Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Those guys are legitimate stars. The other 3 yes but those guys are All Star Caliber players but not a top 10-12 player in the league.

[sco]

I wonder if we could nab Bruce Brown. He's the sort of guy who would really work well with our trio. IIRC he's a UFA. The other guy that intrigues me is Herb Jones, also from Pels. If they are rebuilding, maybe we could nab him for the POR pick + filler.

[kodo]

There was no one on that Pistons team as good as Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Those guys are legitimate stars. The other 3 yes but those guys are All Star Caliber players but not a top 10-12 player in the league.

Tatum Finals: 22 ppg on 39%/22% shooting, 50.5% TS vs Luka's Mavs
Billups Finals: 21 ppg on 51%/47% shooting, 69.6% TS vs Shaq/Kobe Lakers

[sco]

An aside. I feel like we have our own version of OKC Giddey hidden on our bench. Smith is really good and should be in our rotation ahead of so many guys, if not at C, then at PF.

[WindyCityBorn]

I wonder if we could nab Bruce Brown. He's the sort of guy who would really work well with our trio. IIRC he's a UFA. The other guy that intrigues me is Herb Jones, also from Pels. If they are rebuilding, maybe we could nab him for the POR pick + filler.

We have no money. All of our cap space will go to re-signing Giddey, our 1st round pick and maybe bringing back Jones.

[sco]

I wonder if we could nab Bruce Brown. He's the sort of guy who would really work well with our trio. IIRC he's a UFA. The other guy that intrigues me is Herb Jones, also from Pels. If they are rebuilding, maybe we could nab him for the POR pick + filler.

We have no money. All of our cap space will go to re-signing Giddey, our 1st round pick and maybe bringing back Jones.

True, but if we can't dump Ayo to nab Jones, I'd rather spend the money on Brown.