NBA Trade Thread #13

[Guy Rodgers fan]

It's crazy you can't have civil discussions in here, man. So many conversations end up in name-calling and insults, rather than just staying on basketball.

It's the off-offseason. Not a lot of news, especially since Giddey signed. It'll get better when the games start.

[Infinity2152]

I'm with that. I love discussing things my man, and I don't take it personal when people disagree with me. Dude called me disingenuous a few times. we're having a conversation bout Coby White's value, I said Coby's good to great and he lists a ton of max and super max players and says they're better than Coby. Then "well, I don't know what you mean when you say good to great, I thought it meant on the cusp of greatness." Curry, Ant Man, Lamelo, I forget the whole AllStar list, those are the guys I meant right. Not guys like Brandon Ingram, Anfernee Simons, Jordan Poole, etc. Could have just asked.

His contract doesn't matter. Even called it a net negative. What???? A contender that trades for him is worried about this year, right? Most contenders are over the cap and at or near the apron. So Coby would be more tradeable to a contender if he was making $30 mill right now but had 3 more years on his contract? They have to trade $30 mill worth of assets to acquire him, he's now $30 mill on their cap. That would be better?

The idea that money doesn't matter in the NBA, lmao! A $60k Trailblazer is great for a $60k truck, but it won't look great next to a $240k Porsche truck. The fact that Coby only cost $12 mill this year is not advantageous at all? Every contender would prefer to add more guaranteed money on the books, rather than getting him for super cheap and auditioning him before paying him?

Matter of fact makes me think even better that we have Coby. Whether we have to pay him his market value next summer, I think we've gotten a hell of a bargain at $12 mill and he'll be a great bargain this year for us. Coby's contract was almost as good as Pat Will's is bad, lol.

[Dez]

Coby won't net the Bulls anything significant on his own, as part of a package he holds a little more value but he's an expiring that needs a new contract.

A late protected first is probably his value.

[jnrjr79]

It's crazy you can't have civil discussions in here, man. So many conversations end up in name-calling and insults, rather than just staying on basketball.

This is an odd concern to raise immediately after misrepresenting what someone said in their post.

I'm with that. I love discussing things my man, and I don't take it personal when people disagree with me. Dude called me disingenuous a few times. we're having a conversation bout Coby White's value, I said Coby's good to great and he lists a ton of max and super max players and says they're better than Coby. Then "well, I don't know what you mean when you say good to great, I thought it meant on the cusp of greatness." Curry, Ant Man, Lamelo, I forget the whole AllStar list, those are the guys I meant right. Not guys like Brandon Ingram, Anfernee Simons, Jordan Poole, etc. Could have just asked.

I don’t need to ask what “good to great” means because it has a clear, plain meaning. If you meant something else, that’s you mis-describing Coby, not me misinterpreting the actual words. There is no reason you’d use the word “great” if you think he’s akin to Jordan Poole!

His contract doesn't matter. Even called it a net negative. What???? A contender that trades for him is worried about this year, right? Most contenders are over the cap and at or near the apron. So Coby would be more tradeable to a contender if he was making $30 mill right now but had 3 more years on his contract? They have to trade $30 mill worth of assets to acquire him, he's now $30 mill on their cap. That would be better?

Again, if you actually read what I posted before resorting to invective, I think you’d see what I’m saying. Coby’s contract has nothing to do with whether he’s “good to great.” When talking about whether a player is good or not, that discussion is purely about basketball performance. Of course, that basketball performance is just one element of his overall trade value, but the contract itself is unrelated to whether he’s a good player.

The idea that money doesn't matter in the NBA, lmao! A $60k Trailblazer is great for a $60k truck, but it won't look great next to a $240k Porsche truck. The fact that Coby only cost $12 mill this year is not advantageous at all? Every contender would prefer to add more guaranteed money on the books, rather than getting him for super cheap and auditioning him before paying him?

Well, that’s a pretty strawman you constructed there, isn’t it? Of course money matters. But enjoy debating arguments nobody is making if that’s your thing.

Matter of fact makes me think even better that we have Coby. Whether we have to pay him his market value next summer, I think we've gotten a hell of a bargain at $12 mill and he'll be a great bargain this year for us. Coby's contract was almost as good as Pat Will's is bad, lol.

Coby is cheap and has vastly outperformed his deal. But his contract is now a net-negative as a trade asset due to the (stupid, IMO) restrictions on how much you can extend him for. The Bulls are basically being punished for having signed him to such a favorable deal. Any team trading for him inherits this problem. There’s a reason they call guys you can only control for one year “rentals,” and inherent in that concept is renting is cheaper than buying, so if you’re trading for a rental, you’re going to pay less than you would if you were acquiring a player under team control.

Which player has more trade value: Coby at 1 year, $12 million, then a UFA, or Coby at 4 years, $25M/year? It’s obviously the latter!

[Infinity2152]

Coby won't net the Bulls anything significant on his own, as part of a package he holds a little more value but he's an expiring that needs a new contract.

A late protected first is probably his value.

So again. The fact that his contract is $12 mill this year is not advantageous? Every contender that's in the tax and at/over the apron would prefer he had more guaranteed years at market value, let's say $30 mill? No contender that would be trading for him this year is really focused on what he could bring this year, for the low low price of $12 mill. There are just a ton of guys that are proven 20 pt scorers and three point threats a contender could add for $12 mill right now.

Everybody has their own opinion. If the Bulls move Coby to net only a late protected first, I'd be surprised. Better to keep him, imo.

If Coby White was on a 3yr/$90 mill, $30 mill AAV contract, I don't think that would be more attractive to as many teams.

[Chi town]

Coby be moved unless it’s a Bane like package

My bet is Ayo and Smith are moved.

[Infinity2152]

Coby be moved unless it’s a Bane like package

My bet is Ayo and Smith are moved.

I share those beliefs Pretty good chance Coby is in their long term plans, so a deal would have to be in our favor.

[jnrjr79]

Coby be moved unless it’s a Bane like package

My bet is Ayo and Smith are moved.

Desmond Bane was under team control for 4 years. He’s also, IMO, a better player than Coby. 1 year of Coby White is not going to return anything near what was traded for Bane.

I agree it’s unlikely Coby is moved. The Bulls seem to want to bring him back. Ayo seems likely to be on the block.

[Infinity2152]

Who are the players exactly at Coby's level and what are they making? Throw some names up and we can discuss what they got in trade or salary. A team is looking to bring exactly Coby White level production, what players are they looking at? Going to assume they're fine with a Coby White type player if they're willing to trade for Coby White.

My guess would be teams wanting to add a Coby White type would be looking at Anfernee Simons, Jalen Green and Jordan Poole, but I'm dying to hear better comps. I think Bane is better than White, but they are in the same tier of player. I think White is better than Simons and Green, and equal to Poole with better IQ.

[Chi town]

Coby be moved unless it’s a Bane like package

My bet is Ayo and Smith are moved.

Desmond Bane was under team control for 4 years. He’s also, IMO, a better player than Coby. 1 year of Coby White is not going to return anything near what was traded for Bane.

I agree it’s unlikely Coby is moved. The Bulls seem to want to bring him back. Ayo seems likely to be on the block.

Except as it has been well documented in this thread…

Teams make trades based on need and timelines all the time. See Luka and Mikal for 5 1sts. ORL overpaid IMO too. Rockets def need a deal. They are toast.

[Chi town]

Who are the players exactly at Coby's level and what are they making? Throw some names up and we can discuss what they got in trade or salary. A team is looking to bring exactly Coby White level production, what players are they looking at? Going to assume they're fine with a Coby White type player if they're willing to trade for Coby White.

My guess would be teams wanting to add a Coby White type would be looking at Anfernee Simons, Jalen Green and Jordan Poole, but I'm dying to hear better comps. I think Bane is better than White, but they are in the same tier of player. I think White is better than Simons and Green, and equal to Poole with better IQ.

Coby is way better than post Dubs Poole.
Way better than oft injured no defense Simons.

I think he’s in the same tier as Bane. More to his bag but much less defense.

[jnrjr79]

Coby be moved unless it’s a Bane like package

My bet is Ayo and Smith are moved.

Desmond Bane was under team control for 4 years. He’s also, IMO, a better player than Coby. 1 year of Coby White is not going to return anything near what was traded for Bane.

I agree it’s unlikely Coby is moved. The Bulls seem to want to bring him back. Ayo seems likely to be on the block.

Except as it has been well documented in this thread…

Teams make trades based on need and timelines all the time. See Luka and Mikal for 5 1sts. ORL overpaid IMO too. Rockets def need a deal. They are toast.

No, this is not persuasive. Luka was traded to a team that was able to give him a max extension. I agree ORL overpaid. I also agree the Rockets need a deal and might offer a nice package. They will not offer anything remotely similar to the Bane package for a 1-year rental.

[Dez]

Coby won't net the Bulls anything significant on his own, as part of a package he holds a little more value but he's an expiring that needs a new contract.

A late protected first is probably his value.

So again. The fact that his contract is $12 mill this year is not advantageous? Every contender that's in the tax and at/over the apron would prefer he had more guaranteed years at market value, let's say $30 mill? No contender that would be trading for him this year is really focused on what he could bring this year, for the low low price of $12 mill. There are just a ton of guys that are proven 20 pt scorers and three point threats a contender could add for $12 mill right now.

Everybody has their own opinion. If the Bulls move Coby to net only a late protected first, I'd be surprised. Better to keep him, imo.

If Coby White was on a 3yr/$90 mill, $30 mill AAV contract, I don't think that would be more attractive to as many teams.

What picks do contenders have? Late firsts.

What are you even arguing?

[Infinity2152]

Coby won't net the Bulls anything significant on his own, as part of a package he holds a little more value but he's an expiring that needs a new contract.

A late protected first is probably his value.

So again. The fact that his contract is $12 mill this year is not advantageous? Every contender that's in the tax and at/over the apron would prefer he had more guaranteed years at market value, let's say $30 mill? No contender that would be trading for him this year is really focused on what he could bring this year, for the low low price of $12 mill. There are just a ton of guys that are proven 20 pt scorers and three point threats a contender could add for $12 mill right now.

Everybody has their own opinion. If the Bulls move Coby to net only a late protected first, I'd be surprised. Better to keep him, imo.

If Coby White was on a 3yr/$90 mill, $30 mill AAV contract, I don't think that would be more attractive to as many teams.

What picks do contenders have? Late firsts.

What are you even arguing?

Which contenders are we talking about? How do you know any pick you trade will be a late pick? What are you even arguing about? I was talking about Coby's relative value and for some reason people want to attach and eliminate specific teams. That's impossible. Picks will likely change hands before the deadline. Players will likely be traded before the deadline. Team needs will change due to injuries before the deadline. Plus absolutely nobody in here knows which teams the GM's like, love, or hate Coby White as a player. It's not like he has to be traded today.

I would imagine some contenders (like the Rockets) have other teams first round picks. But I'm not going over every potential team, because I have no idea which teams will be interested over the next few months.

People went from two late firsts, to one protected first, to I guess we just give him away and get nothing back. The Bulls are not going to do that, imo. If you think the Bulls will trade Coby for a package where a likely late round pick is the best return, more power to you.

[Ccwatercraft]

Coby won't net the Bulls anything significant on his own, as part of a package he holds a little more value but he's an expiring that needs a new contract.

A late protected first is probably his value.

So again. The fact that his contract is $12 mill this year is not advantageous? Every contender that's in the tax and at/over the apron would prefer he had more guaranteed years at market value, let's say $30 mill? No contender that would be trading for him this year is really focused on what he could bring this year, for the low low price of $12 mill. There are just a ton of guys that are proven 20 pt scorers and three point threats a contender could add for $12 mill right now.

Everybody has their own opinion. If the Bulls move Coby to net only a late protected first, I'd be surprised. Better to keep him, imo.

If Coby White was on a 3yr/$90 mill, $30 mill AAV contract, I don't think that would be more attractive to as many teams.

There are just a ton of guys that are proven 20 pt scorers and three point threats a contender could add for $12 mill right now.


There are? Or there aren't?

I'll admit that I don't study the rosters league wide, but I thought it would be a rarity, not commonplace.

And I agree he he has value, the size if the contract makes him very easy to trade. He checks a lot of boxes

[Infinity2152]

Coby won't net the Bulls anything significant on his own, as part of a package he holds a little more value but he's an expiring that needs a new contract.

A late protected first is probably his value.

So again. The fact that his contract is $12 mill this year is not advantageous? Every contender that's in the tax and at/over the apron would prefer he had more guaranteed years at market value, let's say $30 mill? No contender that would be trading for him this year is really focused on what he could bring this year, for the low low price of $12 mill. There are just a ton of guys that are proven 20 pt scorers and three point threats a contender could add for $12 mill right now.

Everybody has their own opinion. If the Bulls move Coby to net only a late protected first, I'd be surprised. Better to keep him, imo.

If Coby White was on a 3yr/$90 mill, $30 mill AAV contract, I don't think that would be more attractive to as many teams.

There are just a ton of guys that are proven 20 pt scorers and three point threats a contender could add for $12 mill right now.


There are? Or there aren't?

I'll admit that I don't study the rosters league wide, but I thought it would be a rarity, not commonplace.

And I agree he he has value, the size if the contract makes him very easy to trade. He checks a lot of boxes

I'm saying there aren't, lol. I think Coby is easily the equivalent of many players in the $20-$40 mill range and is an incredible deal at his current price. i think he'd be a very good deal at $20 mill this year.

If I was a contender trying to win right now, as in this year, salary this year would be far more important than team control over the next few years. Especially since the player could be a bad fit or get injured and I could cut bait instead of having guaranteed money on my books.

[Ccwatercraft]

So again. The fact that his contract is $12 mill this year is not advantageous? Every contender that's in the tax and at/over the apron would prefer he had more guaranteed years at market value, let's say $30 mill? No contender that would be trading for him this year is really focused on what he could bring this year, for the low low price of $12 mill. There are just a ton of guys that are proven 20 pt scorers and three point threats a contender could add for $12 mill right now.

Everybody has their own opinion. If the Bulls move Coby to net only a late protected first, I'd be surprised. Better to keep him, imo.

If Coby White was on a 3yr/$90 mill, $30 mill AAV contract, I don't think that would be more attractive to as many teams.

There are just a ton of guys that are proven 20 pt scorers and three point threats a contender could add for $12 mill right now.


There are? Or there aren't?

I'll admit that I don't study the rosters league wide, but I thought it would be a rarity, not commonplace.

And I agree he he has value, the size if the contract makes him very easy to trade. He checks a lot of boxes

I'm saying there aren't, lol. I think Coby is easily the equivalent of many players in the $20-$40 mill range and is an incredible deal at his current price.

Ok good, I was thinking I'm crazy.

[Infinity2152]

There are just a ton of guys that are proven 20 pt scorers and three point threats a contender could add for $12 mill right now.


There are? Or there aren't?

I'll admit that I don't study the rosters league wide, but I thought it would be a rarity, not commonplace.

And I agree he he has value, the size if the contract makes him very easy to trade. He checks a lot of boxes

I'm saying there aren't, lol. I think Coby is easily the equivalent of many players in the $20-$40 mill range and is an incredible deal at his current price.

Ok good, I was thinking I'm crazy.

No problem. I forgot the question mark on that one. Most of the players that come to mind thinking about Coby White types are getting about 3x his salary. Only relatively cheap ones that come close imo are Quentin Grimes, who is not as established and took the QO rather than be underpaid, and Cam Thomas, also not as proven and also took the QO for the same reason. Not sure if either can be traded, or if they have in effect a no-trade clause now.

Coby's considered so underpaid, it doesn't make sense for them to offer him an extension because his salary is too low and they can't offer enough of an increase to make it practical.

[Ccwatercraft]

I'm saying there aren't, lol. I think Coby is easily the equivalent of many players in the $20-$40 mill range and is an incredible deal at his current price.

Ok good, I was thinking I'm crazy.

No problem. I forgot the question mark on that one. Most of the players that come to mind thinking about Coby White types are getting about 3x his salary. Only relatively cheap ones that come close imo are Quentin Grimes, who is not as established and took the QO rather than be underpaid, and Cam Thomas, also not as proven and also took the QO for the same reason. Not sure if either can be traded, or if they have in effect a no-trade clause now.

Coby's considered so underpaid, it doesn't make sense for them to offer him an extension because his salary is too low and they can't offer enough of an increase to make it practical.

Without deep thought, I'd probably rank coby tops in trade value, whatever negatives that are associated with a "rental " are offset by salary.

That said, I doubt he gets moved, I think the front office.and coach like him very much.

If he gets moved, the idea of a 20+ late first doesn't excite me unless the player in return is a rim protector, and a dam good one.

[Chi town]

Ok good, I was thinking I'm crazy.

No problem. I forgot the question mark on that one. Most of the players that come to mind thinking about Coby White types are getting about 3x his salary. Only relatively cheap ones that come close imo are Quentin Grimes, who is not as established and took the QO rather than be underpaid, and Cam Thomas, also not as proven and also took the QO for the same reason. Not sure if either can be traded, or if they have in effect a no-trade clause now.

Coby's considered so underpaid, it doesn't make sense for them to offer him an extension because his salary is too low and they can't offer enough of an increase to make it practical.

Without deep thought, I'd probably rank coby tops in trade value, whatever negatives that are associated with a "rental " are offset by salary.

That said, I doubt he gets moved, I think the front office.and coach like him very much.

If he gets moved, the idea of a 20+ late first doesn't excite me unless the player in return is a rim protector, and a dam good one.

I think we will see someone like the Wolves overpay to get Coby to keep him from a team like the Rockets.

AK wanted Beringer.