OT: Report: Cavaliers make offer to Tom Izzo

[davhern]

Byron Scott "I want Izzo money. Hey, I have a TRACK RECORD"

I am sorry, but 30 million vs. 15 million is still lots vs. lots. It's just money. He has a GREAT job, is highly respected and seems to love the college game. So why go? Just for the Kaysh? Yes, I'll say it, that's selling out. That's saying, yes, I do have a price.

It's easy to say lots vs. lots when you're not staring the decision in the face. Double is double.

And what's wrong with having a price?

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Byron Scott "I want Izzo money. Hey, I have a TRACK RECORD"

I am sorry, but 30 million vs. 15 million is still lots vs. lots. It's just money. He has a GREAT job, is highly respected and seems to love the college game. So why go? Just for the Kaysh? Yes, I'll say it, that's selling out. That's saying, yes, I do have a price.

We've all got a price. Well, at least I know that I do.

[davhern]

I don't think Scott wants to do anything until Phil makes a decision.

Are you thinking of Brian Shaw?

No Byron Scott. Him or Brian Shaw would be hands down be the next Lakers coach if Phil retires.

Just making sure...

[waffle]

I retired from a well paying corporate job to take care of my son while my wife works. I made a choice. A lifestyle choice. I have been offered jobs since. I turned them down. I could do it without blinking.

EDIT: 15 million vs. 30 million to me would not be relevant if I thought it would decrease my overall well being, or that of my family, one iota.

[AAU Teammate]

I am sorry, but 30 million vs. 15 million is still lots vs. lots. It's just money. He has a GREAT job, is highly respected and seems to love the college game. So why go? Just for the Kaysh? Yes, I'll say it, that's selling out. That's saying, yes, I do have a price.

30M vs. 15M...means a lot down the road as far as the things you can do. Business opportunities, investment opportunities. People who have a lot think that way...and in pro sports we see SOOOO many people make money-based decisions on where to go. To put the coaches above that is not an automatic.


You bring up your job situation. That's your specific situation. We'll see what he's going through. Obviously to talk to the current MSU players about this being a possibility..that sure doesnt sound like someone pretty sure he'll turn it down. You do that when you're thinknig about leaving.

[davhern]

I retired from a well paying corporate job to take care of my son while my wife works. I made a choice. A lifestyle choice. I have been offered jobs since. I turned them down. I could do it without blinking.

That's something specific to your own situation... and I'm guessing, not to be presumptuous, that your wife must have a pretty damn good job at the same time for you to be doing that... not to get too far into this comparison, but it's a very different choice than what Izzo would be making... one is family vs job and one is more job vs. job.

[red222]

Team thinks Jeff Van Gundy is good fit but no one believes JVG will coach next year now. Sources say he's turned down 2 jobs already.

ESPN reporting Cavs might interview Byron Scott by end of week. Sources say Izzo is Gilbert's clear No. 1 but Scott a developing No. 2.
http://twitter.com/PDcavsinsider

[waffle]

I retired from a well paying corporate job to take care of my son while my wife works. I made a choice. A lifestyle choice. I have been offered jobs since. I turned them down. I could do it without blinking.

That's something specific to your own situation... and I'm guessing, not to be presumptuous, that your wife must have a pretty damn good job at the same time for you to be doing that... not to get too far into this comparison, but it's a very different choice than what Izzo would be making... one is family vs job and one is more job vs. job.

Not really. We downsized, moved, and minimized.

As I said above (edited) that if I felt it would decrease my quality of life or that of my family one bit I would turn down 30 vs. 15 million, which is exactly the situation he is in.

College town. College life. Kids instead of pros. Shorter season. Those sound like pros to me.

It really does seem to just come down to money (and maybe pride? I can do this?). That makes me sad. I really like Izzo.

Plus, if he takes it, I think he is walking into a tough situation. What happens the first time that he tells LBJ what to do and LBJ, now CONFIRMED as the big man on campus for now and forever, disagrees? Who do you think will really have the power then? He'd be both a pimp and a wh*re then.

[davhern]

I retired from a well paying corporate job to take care of my son while my wife works. I made a choice. A lifestyle choice. I have been offered jobs since. I turned them down. I could do it without blinking.

EDIT: 15 million vs. 30 million to me would not be relevant if I thought it would decrease my overall well being, or that of my family, one iota.

Why would double the money and a move to the NBA (sure, there are more of certain types of work, and then there is less of others in making that transition) necessarily decrease the well-being of his family? The extra money (again - double) could just as easily be seen as further securing his family's future, if anything, and worth the potential sacrifices career-wise. We can paint scenarios like this all day. When it comes down to it, we don't know why he would choose to take the money or if he would, and I certainly wouldn't judge him for taking the opportunity to do so one bit.

[davhern]

Plus, if he takes it, I think he is walking into a tough situation. What happens the first time that he tells LBJ what to do and LBJ, now CONFIRMED as the big man on campus for now and forever, disagrees? Who do you think will really have the power then? He'd be both a pimp and a wh*re then.

Well, I thought we were talking non-Lebron scenarios here... if so, I can at least see your point of view on it... but if he really does it with LBJ around, I don't see how you could even hold anything against him. Why would you judge him negatively for wanting to win in the NBA and taking a great opportunity to do so?

[Jordan45822]

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf ... eliev.html

Izzo going to Cleveland tomorrow and is going to meet with team offcials.

[Rerisen]

Izzo's personality is one that seems like he would welcome the challenge of the next level, perhaps even if he just had a chance to coach LeBron James.

Is this the portrait of a college lifer through and through that would not even entertain the NBA short of a sure thing?

I think he loves this attention. Absolutely loves it. He loves knowing that the NBA teams might want Tom Izzo from Iron Mountain, Mich. But also, I think he loves that other people know it.

I think he wants everybody at MSU to understand that he could leave at any time. I think he gets a violent reaction to the mere notion of being taken for granted — by his administration, his fans or the media.
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but you also get the relentless competitor who always knows how much money other coaches are making. You get the guy who wants Michigan State fans and administrators to know they are lucky to have him (and, therefore, that he should give him what he wants). You get the guy who won’t totally shoot down reports that the Bulls want him, that Kentucky wants him, that Oregon wants him, or (now) that the Cavaliers want him.

This is why he never totally denies interest in a job (even the Oregon job, which he never was going to seriously consider). He says he loves MSU, or, no, he hasn’t been contacted. But he always leaves himself some wiggle room.
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Izzo is forever asking questions: What if the fans cheered like they used to? What if the football team won more? What if the media gave MSU more respect? You don’t have to agree with his answers. Forget that — you don’t even have to agree with the premise of his questions. But he asks them anyway, because in no aspect of his professional life is Tom Izzo content.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti ... ullarticle

[davhern]

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/06/sources_say_msu_players_believ.html

Izzo going to Cleveland tomorrow and is going to meet with team offcials.

According to a Michigan State source, Izzo has scheduled a trip to Cleveland on Thursday to meet with team officials and possibly tour the Cavs' facilities. Whether or not Izzo will go through with the trip is unknown.

That isn't the only sign he's gotten serious about Dan Gilbert's offer to replace Mike Brown. Sources told The Plain Dealer Wednesday that Michigan State players left a meeting with Izzo Tuesday night believing he was going to take the Cavs' job.

Izzo didn't tell the players that directly. He called the meeting to acknowledge reports that he'd been offered the job, but players left afraid they were about to lose their coach.

Several other sources, however, indicated Izzo hadn't made a final decision. The expectation is he will take at least a couple more days to make up his mind.

LeBron James is expected to take considerably longer to make up his mind about his future.

With so much uncertainty, the Cavs are hedging their bets. According to a league source, the Cavs have opened discussions with former Nets and Hornets head coach Byron Scott. ESPN reported on Wednesday that Scott could interview with the team before the end of the week. However, sources indicate Izzo is still Gilbert's first choice.

[red222]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5270166

[Rerisen]

Cavs are putting the pressure on Izzo - to sign even without a LeBron assurance.

Obviously one is not forthcoming, as pointed out in the Byron Scott story which makes note that its not a requirement for *him*.

[red222]

Cavs are putting the pressure on Izzo - to sign even without a LeBron assurance.

Obviously one is not forthcoming, as pointed out in the Byron Scott story which makes note that its not a requirement for *him*.

i know Scott was your guy but if he is hired by the cavs would you of preferred him over thibs???

[Rerisen]

i know Scott was your guy but if he is hired by the cavs would you of preferred him over thibs???

Yes. I think Thibs has equal upside chance, but more downside too.

[waffle]

Plus, if he takes it, I think he is walking into a tough situation. What happens the first time that he tells LBJ what to do and LBJ, now CONFIRMED as the big man on campus for now and forever, disagrees? Who do you think will really have the power then? He'd be both a pimp and a wh*re then.

Well, I thought we were talking non-Lebron scenarios here... if so, I can at least see your point of view on it... but if he really does it with LBJ around, I don't see how you could even hold anything against him. Why would you judge him negatively for wanting to win in the NBA and taking a great opportunity to do so?

but if he does it with NO LBJ? He'll never last 5 years. That team is baaad.

[davhern]

Agreed.

[PlayoffRose]

He will do with the hope of LBJ coming back.

If LBJ does not come back, he will join the rank of other highly college coaches busting the NBA.