Omer Asik and Rockets agree to deal 3 years 25 million

[organix85]

After reading thoroughly... the last year should be just over 14 million. And with that, it appears it's already being reported as such.

[Red Larrivee]

What I'm saying is, there is no way to stay as good without matching Omer. That killer defense was key to the Bulls, not the starting unit.

Asik isn't the key to the Bulls defense being good. Why are we pretending like it is? As long as Thibodeau is here the Bulls will be elite defensively. It's the schemes over everything.

Isn't the last year BYC if he signs this deal? If that's the case, you can forget about trading that contract.

Thank you. The Bulls aren't moving Asik's contract at any point in this deal. The last year is a nail in the coffin. Asik will be the Bulls 2nd highest paid player in 2014-15 and we are going to look like the biggest suckers in the league.

[PistolP]

I don't think it's possible to S&T Omer for 3/$25m under the CBA.

As a 2nd year player, we only have Early Bird rights on Asik.

A team may use the Early Bird exception to re-sign its own free agent for up to 175% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course) or 104.5% of the average salary in the previous season, whichever is greater

The estimated average salary for 2012 was $5.38m, so 104.5% of that is $5.62m

Early Bird contracts can be up to four years in length, with raises up to 7.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract

So the max we could offer him (without matching Houstons offer and having it backloaded) is 4 years / $25m

Yr 1: $5.6m
Yr 2: $6.0m
Yr 3: $6.5m
Yr 4: $6.9m
Total: $25.0m

So basically the only way to offer him a contract more than that is to match another teams offer sheet. But once we match an offer sheet, we can't trade him for a year.

Personally I am not a fan of matching this deal. It was what I feared all along, but I guess we'll have to deal with it now. Omer plays 15mpg. We have a well-paid stud playing the center spot already. Not to mention that Gibson needs more minutes as well, and played pretty well next to Boozer when Noah went down against Philly. I'd be ok letting Gibson eat up 5-10mpg as backup C, and finding another big body like Pryz or some other cheap option to play 5-10mpg. Let Asik walk and use that money to fill a need with the MLE, like Jason Terry.

[ballerkingn2]

I wonder if we can sign and trade him for lamb. That pick was a real head scratcher pick to me at the time,but maybe makes more sense if we can get him for omer which would be a bargin and a solid swap. Now if you recall we got offered omer for lee for sometime and always declined I wonder if they might now use lamb as the sacrificial lamb ha get it. Anyway not sure if its possible,but otherwise I say let him go. And we should go after either anthony randolph or mike beasley instead with the cap spaced opened. Use noah,boozer and taj at the 5 and we have extra length at the 4 or scoring with either randoplth or beasley. Just again my 2 cent,can't wait to see what happens and hopefully the bulls do the smart thing.

doubt it. they want to get rid of kevin martin.

i think a cheap option to explore is derrick's old teammate, joey dorsey. he's not a C, but is strong as hell and can hold his position in the post and is a solid defender overall. taj can shift to the back up C. he flamed out of the NBA but has improved overseas. not sure of his contract situation, but i think he'd want back in the NBA.

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I like dorsey a lot,but not for this team,but if we did get him I'd be happy. Still think he can be this generations ben wallace just needs to find the team that values him enough to play him.

[Leto]

Coon saying the last year can't be more than a shade over14M.

https://twitter.com/LarryCoon/status/219592573273116672

[IcemanGervin]

Is their no chance we can get one of their 3 SG's back for Asik?

[Rerisen]

Why are people advocating keeping Omer saying that we can just move Noah? That means we're trading Noah for just expiring contracts now? So now we keep one bad deal to make another bad deal? Solely to keep an inferior player?

thats not what I'm saying. I'm saying that once you pay Asik, you have to spread the center money around to other positions. But you have no choice but to spend. If the Bulls decide not to spend more money (for the bench and the defense that bailed out the starters time and time again), then they are about to be a worse team no matter what. What I'm saying is, there is no way to stay as good without matching Omer. That killer defense was key to the Bulls, not the starting unit.

This. "Flexibility" is not salvation in exchange for the team getting worse and losing talent. Maybe it pays off down the road but often it doesn't. Maybe it just doesn't get used at all. Korver, Brew and CJ's 3rd years were supposed to be flexibility too, but now looking like flexibility for nothing but staying under the tax perhaps. Instead of say,, doing the deal some suggested for Gordon and a pick.

[fleet]

they weren't fixing the offense anyway without trading Deng or Noah. Not happening. Defense was the only thing that saved the Bulls from hell. Once that D (as much as you deny its value to the team) is gone off the bench to bail out the starters, not only will the Bulls have their usual offensive problems, they will compound

The Bulls without Omer's $14M are $43-44M, with a soft cap that could be $60M, which gives you the room to absorb a big contract. It's a huge difference. The summer of 2014 is when Kevin Love might demand a trade out of Minnesota, since he'll have the leverage due to a three-year contract. Keep an eye on that situation.

Regardless, it's purely based on the logic that Omer Asik in no world is worth $14M a year. The contract is not as tradeable as some people in this thread are making it out to be. It's going to be poisonous and a bad contract the day it's signed.

We lost a prime Ben Gordon for nothing. Should I really be in tears that we lose Omer Asik for nothing?

If you thought the Bulls starting unit was awesome, then probably not. But if you thought the Bulls won games chiefly with a bench and a unicorn, then you might get a little misty, and pay your respects to the team that was.

[organix85]

I don't think it's possible to S&T Omer for 3/$25m under the CBA.

Good catch

[Mech Engineer]

It is a regular argument people keep throwing out because it is an unknown. The argument is almost like you can find a backup center on the street and there will be a list of 20 names of guys who are 7 feet tall.

Just because Ryan Hollins is a 7 footer and a backup on a NBA team and played the same minutes/has same stats as Asik ...does that mean he can replace Asik and be effective in the playoffs against an elite team or when Noah is hurt?

Ryan Hollins is an adequate backup. I would be fine with him compared to overpaying Asik. Backup center is not a position of importance. Asik has spoiled people into thinking it is and now the franchise is actually contemplating behding over for him.

If I told you two years ago that we'd be having a discussion about paying Omer Asik $14M for one year, what would you have said?

Again, you are talking the same points. It is all in the context of a lot of factors combined. It is not just about a backup or a 14 mil deal as you seem to think. There have been a lot of posts about the overall effect, FA problems, front court advantage of the Bulls over Miami, defense issues, assets and a whole lot of other things plus the point about the Bulls telling they will match it.

[Rerisen]

Do you think they'd be interested in an Asik and Martin swap?

They are putting out that they want to keep him now.

Ken Berger @KBergCBS

Rockets have had some talks about Kevin Martin, but are planning to keep him, league source says. Martin has $12.4M expiring contract.

I think its a bit of smokescreen. But if they do move him, they can get other assets for him in a different deal, why tie it up in Asik, when they can just pry Asik away with the backload.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Easy decision, we match a three year deal.


This front office and coaching staff believes Omer is DPOY talent. They're not letting that walk.

[Leto]

^ Thats exactly what flexability can do. It allows you to make a decision rather than be stuck. but at some point, you have to be stuck...at least for a bit.

we can always move Boozer or amnesty him.

[Red Larrivee]

If you thought the Bulls starting unit was awesome, then probably not. But if you thought the Bulls won games chiefly with a bench and a unicorn, then you might get a little misty, and pay your respects to the team that was.

The Bulls starting unit is better than the bench, don't be silly. The bench only pushes the lead because of depth/energy/defense. Asik isn't the reason why the Bulls have had so much regular season success. He's in a sum of parts.

[Rerisen]

Larry Coon ‏@LarryCoon

Avg of contract in each year. For Chi, it'd be actual salary in each year. RT @dogmanx23: What's Houston cap hit with Asik?

This makes it less painful for the Bulls. We have two years to do something with him. The offer doesn't kill us immediately this year, tax wise.

[biggestbullsfan]

If you thought the Bulls starting unit was awesome, then probably not. But if you thought the Bulls won games chiefly with a bench and a unicorn, then you might get a little misty, and pay your respects to the team that was.

The Bulls starting unit is better than the bench, don't be silly. The bench only pushes the lead because of depth/energy/defense. Asik isn't the reason why the Bulls have had so much regular season success. He's in a sum of parts.

His size against other bench bigmen isn't easy to match and was one of our main assets. It'll b missed and hard to replace.

[ChicagoLegend]

Bulls will match it according to the score radio.

Year 3 they are in trouble and they will have to dump salary.

[DuckIII]

Easy decision, we match a three year deal.


This front office and coaching staff believes Omer is DPOY talent. They're not letting that walk.

Obviously you pay him. You pay him reasonably and play him for two years and then use his huge expiring as a trade asset. Someone else said this earlier and I couldn't agree more.

[Red Larrivee]

His size against other bench bigmen isn't easy to match and was one of our main assets. It'll b missed and hard to replace.

I realize that. But that's not worth $14M.

He's going to be BYC in the last year of his contract. It's not nearly as tradeable as you think.

[tha_rock220]

Can someone tell me why my team is offering this kind of deal to a guy who doesn't play 20 minutes a game??? I honestly know nothing about him, and I'm kind of puzzled about this.