Some rumors I've been hearing

[JayT44]

Are there any other rumors in this thread other than the original ones on page 1? It's hard to go through all 18 pages looking for them.

[BestintheEast]

Learn to read buddy..i just posted maybe 4 comments up...believe what you want but dont call out people when you cant prove them wrong... i already said magic were not offering players in return for Boozer..Picks and TPE from Howard trade are in play.....think real hard on why they would want Boozer......how about they have no name players down their and are likely to not be able to sign a name player through FA.

So the Magic turned down Bynum, Gasol, and Iguodala and took picks/TPE instead so that they could parlay that into Carlos Boozer. That makes absolutely no sense at all.

If you are that dumb then i can only say believe what you want.

[Googjob]

No, explain it to me. Why would the Magic have turned down players like Bynum, Gasol, and Iguodala to then all of a sudden bring in Carlos Boozer?

[Vince Strong]

Do any of these rumors ever come true?

No, they are all made up. Go through the history of people here who have big rumors. Not a single one has come true. They don't have sources or connections, just posting BS. No one in the league is going to be trading for Boozer without giving back an equally horrible contract in return.

Not to be harsh about this stuff, but I don't get why people are allowed to trumpet these bogus rumors. Just makes the forum look bad.

No...what makes the forum look bad is people coming in and trolling or derailing threads.

What he's saying is perfecting legit. Does Ralph have any track record of his "source information" coming to fruition? If not, then he shouldn't be able to start these threads.

If so, great, it gives us something LEGIT to discuss.

[AAU Teammate]

No, explain it to me. Why would the Magic have turned down players like Bynum, Gasol, and Iguodala to then all of a sudden bring in Carlos Boozer?

Of all those guys, wouldn't the most palatable contract and guy with the brightest, healthiest future appear to be Arron Afflalo right now?

[RedBulls23]

What he's saying is perfecting legit. Does Ralph have any track record of his "source information" coming to fruition? If not, then he shouldn't be able to start these threads.

If so, great, it gives us something LEGIT to discuss.

Yes he does. If he didn't then the mods wouldn't let him start these threads to begin with. They don't need us to do any back seat modding.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

No, explain it to me. Why would the Magic have turned down players like Bynum, Gasol, and Iguodala to then all of a sudden bring in Carlos Boozer?

Of all those guys, wouldn't the most palatable contract and guy with the brightest, healthiest future appear to be Arron Afflalo right now?

Bingo. I don't believe for a second ORL is interested in Boozer (without some major compensation) - but neither did Orlando want to get saddled with an overpaid (and/or aging) player for the privilege of trading away Dwight Howard.

[Googjob]

Of all those guys, wouldn't the most palatable contract and guy with the brightest, healthiest future appear to be Arron Afflalo right now?

This is a team that is supposedly interested in Carlos Boozer. Future and palatable contracts are not their priority according to the "rumor". And BestInTheEast said they want a "name" player, which Pau, Bynum, and Iggy are. And Arron Afflalo is an $8 million a year role player, not someone who sells tickets.

[kyrv]

What he's saying is perfecting legit. Does Ralph have any track record of his "source information" coming to fruition? If not, then he shouldn't be able to start these threads.

If so, great, it gives us something LEGIT to discuss.

Yes he does. If he didn't then the mods wouldn't let him start these threads to begin with. They don't need us to do any back seat modding.

I would think that the fact that Ralph can and does start these threads would be an indication. /shrug

I will add that I've noticed people constantly derailing these threads has made a lot of people reduce or even discontinue posting things that they hear.

[Googjob]

Lets assume these are "real". I just want the logic behind the Magic taking Carlos Boozer. This is a team that turned down 3 better players on shorter deals (Gasol, Bynum, Iggy). A team that let a better PF leave the team for practically half the cost of Carlos Boozer.

So why would Orlando want Carlos Boozer right now?

[AAU Teammate]

Lets assume these are "real". I just want the logic behind the Magic taking Carlos Boozer. This is a team that turned down 3 better players on shorter deals (Gasol, Bynum, Iggy). A team that let a better PF leave the team for practically half the cost of Carlos Boozer.

So why would Orlando want Carlos Boozer right now?

First and foremost, you ignore what would be packaged with Boozer...which is an unknown. Sweeteners are possible. Also Orlando could be trying to unload stuff right back on us.

Further:

The magic either see themselves as win-soon, or long term rebuild. Lets assume they don't see themselves as the latter.

What would you want at this moment?

Afflalo and Boozer? Or any of the other options? I think an argument could be made for Afflalo+Boozer, since they are on the court and producing right now.

And as a side note, the healthy guy there...Iggy? I have absolutely no problem with a team thinking he is someone about to be unnecessarily overpaid. I really have not seen the value with him personally (when talking long giant contracts, which he soon will demand).




All this said, Boozer for 2.5 years is something most teams don't find ideal...but he is a 19ish PER from the power forward spot. When his contract gets down to 2 years, I think we'll see a few more offers come in.




If all health is taken out of consideration, sure the Magic should've jumped at Bynum. But this guy has had injury issues his whole career, is kind of a space cadet, and --surprise!!-- is currently not playing basketball. For me to be thrilled by you, you have to, you know...be actually on the court.

[Ice the knees]

Lets assume these are "real".

Well now you seem to be understanding the rumor thread.

[Googjob]

If all health is taken out of consideration, sure the Magic should've jumped at Bynum. But this guy has had injury issues his whole career, is kind of a space cadet, and --surprise!!-- is currently not playing basketball. For me to be thrilled by you, you have to, you know...be actually on the court.

They just let go of a 21ish PER power forward that would have cost half as much. A guy they wouldn't have to give up anything to get.

[AAU Teammate]

If all health is taken out of consideration, sure the Magic should've jumped at Bynum. But this guy has had injury issues his whole career, is kind of a space cadet, and --surprise!!-- is currently not playing basketball. For me to be thrilled by you, you have to, you know...be actually on the court.

They just let go of a 21ish PER power forward that would have cost half as much. A guy they wouldn't have to give up anything to get.

Who is a worse rebounder. But again I ask you to consider that other specifics regarding a deal of Boozer-to-Orlando are of note here. Do they want him particularly because he's 2.5 years and there is something regarding their books they need clear in 3-4 years? Do they want to unload money on us as part of a deal? Are they hankering for the Charlotte pick?

These are reasons why you are completely wrong to attack the rumors -- because reasonable doubt is not yours to prove. You're the one making the reach, in saying it's airtight that ORL could not possibly want Boozer under any circumstance.



What if the rumors are simply correct because Orlando called us saying - we'll take Boozer's third year money if you give us Mirotic? That would make them true, albeit unhelpful and pipe-dreamlike.

[Googjob]

Who is a worse rebounder. But again I ask you to consider that other specifics regarding a deal of Boozer-to-Orlando are of note here. Do they want him particularly because he's 2.5 years and there is something regarding their books they need clear in 3-4 years? Do they want to unload money on us as part of a deal? Are they hankering for the Charlotte pick?

BestintheEast already said it was for picks and the Magic TPE. Here is his quote "i already said magic were not offering players in return for Boozer..Picks and TPE from Howard trade are in play".

So again, what is the logic behind this move for the Magic? Why would they turn over better players on shorter contracts, or better players on cheaper contracts, for Carlos Boozer?

These are reasons why you are completely wrong to attack the rumors -- because reasonable doubt is not yours to prove. You're the one making the reach, in saying it's airtight that ORL could not possibly want Boozer under any circumstance.

You can't prove an unfalsifiable claim. That's why people make them. And I'm not saying that there is no scenario where Orlando would want to trade picks and their TPE for Carlos Boozer. Boozer could marry into the DeVos family and they decide they want him to be closer to his wife in Orlando and will do anything to make it happen.

[mymysql]

What he's saying is perfecting legit. Does Ralph have any track record of his "source information" coming to fruition? If not, then he shouldn't be able to start these threads.

If so, great, it gives us something LEGIT to discuss.

Yes he does. If he didn't then the mods wouldn't let him start these threads to begin with. They don't need us to do any back seat modding.

Wasn't there a sticky that disappeared, that no one would be allowed to post rumors based on "sources" or "inside info" without actually providing said sources? I'm all for gossip and rumors if there's actually any amount of truth to them though.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

If all health is taken out of consideration, sure the Magic should've jumped at Bynum. But this guy has had injury issues his whole career, is kind of a space cadet, and --surprise!!-- is currently not playing basketball. For me to be thrilled by you, you have to, you know...be actually on the court.

They just let go of a 21ish PER power forward that would have cost half as much. A guy they wouldn't have to give up anything to get.

I'm not trying to pile on you, Googjob. I simply wanted to respond to this one post of yours.

I believe that the Magic were still disillusioned into thinking that Dwight Howard was staying, which prompted the move that you outlined above. IMO, they didn't want to commit big money because they were hoping Dwight would opt to re-sign & they could use the extra money for another star to pacify Dwight.

[Seinfeld]

I already outlined in another thread why the Magic might want Boozer.

If people want to stick with the "they could have had better players", they can do that.

We read a lot of "the Bulls could have had Harden for Noah, he's better than Martin"- completely ignoring the rest of the compensation OKC got in the deal, and completely ignoring the fact that they already had a very similar big man (Ibaka) on a big contract.

Why wouldn't the Magic want Bynum? DUH, he's always hurt, and is expiring this summer. He most likely wouldn't have re-upped in Orlando.

Iguodala? He has an ETO after this season and can become a free agent. See Bynum.

The Magic are going into major rebuild with draft picks, they need a few big money players just to make the minimum salary requirement. Boozer makes a lot of money, and he's under contract through 2014-15.

Same with Big Baby and Afflalo, they each expire after 2014-15 (Afflalo has a player option for 2015-16).

If the Magic could send Jameer Nelson, Reddick and McRoberts to the Bulls for Boozer, Rip, Teague and 2 first rounders, it serves them pretty well. They get out from under Nelson's $8 million contract for next season and replace him with a young PG who was just a 1st-rounder last summer, and they add a few more picks to rebuild with.

Despite all the "Boozer sucks" we have to read here, if the Magic put him on a young team and play him 36 minutes and make him a big part of their offense, he'll go right back to being a 20/10 guy for them.

He might not help them win, but guess what?? THEY DON'T WANT TO WIN, not for the next few seasons anyway.

If a team is tanking for high picks, why would they want Gasol or Iggy or Bynum who are all better players than Boozer and might help them win more games? Easy, THEY WOULDN'T.

The Magic are doing things the right way- tank big time to add 2 very high picks in the next 2 drafts. Then if some of them pan out, they head into 2014-15 with Boozer and Davis combining to be $23 million in expirings.

[AAU Teammate]

BestintheEast already said it was for picks and the Magic TPE.

OK, as the thread is about Ralph's Orlando rumors, I considered your comments as being responsive to Ralph foremost. We have a lot of pages in this thing, I wish I could read em all(hah) but havent gotten around to it sadly

[kyrv]

BestintheEast already said it was for picks and the Magic TPE.

OK, as the thread is about Ralph's Orlando rumors, I considered your comments as being responsive to Ralph foremost. We have a lot of pages in this thing, I wish I could read em all(hah) but havent gotten around to it sadly

This was from the trade thread and was actually quite a while ago, and granted made up of course, but someone suggested:

Boozer + Charlotte pick

for

Afflalo and Fat Fetus

Disclaimer - Ya Orlando hangs up I'm sure, but making up possibilities, we could say, they are getting 'rid of' two longer contracts while getting a lottery pick while possibly making their own pick better. While reducing future years commitment.

Keeping in mind, Fat Fetus obviously was a mistake they made trying to get the spoiled kid to stay, and they got AA as an asset, they didn't sign him.

Again they could love one or both scenarios, but the trade actually could make sense if certain and many stars align.