OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

[truth18]

I doubt that. Not women who have their **** together.

How much you want to bet this girl has no job, isn't going to school, clubs 3 nights a week on no income? She wears the skank uniform, she's a skank.

Ohhhh, "good girls" falsely accuse people too. Like I said in my earlier post, plenty of college age girls who come from great families who are getting their first taste of freedom from home in college, make a big mistake in their mind sleeping with the wrong person, and then to cover up embarrassment file a false claim. It happens.

So you say. I know, or know of dozens of college women. None have done this. So one of us is wildly distorting reality.

? What's the big deal, man? Him and I have just had different experiences, why would either of us lie? I mean, you don't have to take our stance, but two people are saying they have encountered that type of person, I don't understand why you think we are being facetious.

Unless I am missing something? I don't think Bluewater or myself is wildly distorting anything. I mean these are just real events and people that I have known. Perhaps Blue and I are unlucky and they aren't common in proper, non-skank society, but to just discount us seems odd. It doesn't really even have to do with Rose, was just an offhand comment. Sorry if I have offended you in any way though, its possible I just missed something entirely here.

[Bluewaterheaven]

I doubt that. Not women who have their **** together.

How much you want to bet this girl has no job, isn't going to school, clubs 3 nights a week on no income? She wears the skank uniform, she's a skank.

Ohhhh, "good girls" falsely accuse people too. Like I said in my earlier post, plenty of college age girls who come from great families who are getting their first taste of freedom from home in college, make a big mistake in their mind sleeping with the wrong person, and then to cover up embarrassment file a false claim. It happens.

So you say. I know, or know of dozens of college and career women. None have done this. So one of us is wildly distorting reality.

True, I know plenty of good people too. I am just saying all type of people lie. Even the good girls, and even the good boys.

[mj234eva]

So you say. I know, or know of dozens of college and career women. None have done this. So one of us is wildly distorting reality.

Do you realize how dumb you are sounding right now? Probably not. Sad.

[Shill]

So you say. I know, or know of dozens of college and career women. None have done this. So one of us is wildly distorting reality.

Probably not. But do you know their complete sexual history?

Your posts sound like the old sentiments about sexual assault, i.e. only "bad girls" get raped.

All kinds of people do all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons.

[Shill]

So you say. I know, or know of dozens of college and career women. None have done this. So one of us is wildly distorting reality.

Do you realize how dumb you are sounding right now? Probably not. Sad.

I can't decide if he's trollin'.

[truth18]

So you say. I know, or know of dozens of college and career women. None have done this. So one of us is wildly distorting reality.

Do you realize how dumb you are sounding right now? Probably not. Sad.

I can't decide if he's trollin'.

That's why I said its possible I am missing something. Perhaps a deeper point being made through the nature of this discourse?

So you say. I know, or know of dozens of college and career women. None have done this. So one of us is wildly distorting reality.

Probably not. But do you know their complete sexual history?

Your posts sound like the old sentiments about sexual assault, i.e. only "bad girls" get raped.

All kinds of people do all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons.

I don't think that's what he was saying, but another comment: I have known three women who falsely accused men, but about half of my female friends have been raped/assaulted to varying degrees, some more than once. I assumed many of these women would never find themselves in that situation, but I was wrong. Colleges also cover this stuff up all the time, again, I don't think Fleet was saying that at all, but since you said that, I just want to say that you can get raped whoever you are, in whatever situation. "Bad girls" may find themselves in these situations more often than not, but so does a rich lawyer buying some blow at her dealer's place. Things are grey as ****, not that anyone said otherwise.

[mj234eva]

So you say. I know, or know of dozens of college and career women. None have done this. So one of us is wildly distorting reality.

Do you realize how dumb you are sounding right now? Probably not. Sad.

I can't decide if he's trollin'.

If there ever was a troll mod it would be...

[Proven_Winner]

I think people forget that money will make most people do anything which includes lying. I saw on Twitter this morning a story like this except it was a football player and the girl was caught lying after accusing him. It's just an example that a story like rose's isn't one sided towards the girl.

[almanbulls]

TMZ will say anything for clicks. This will be dismissed quite quickly. She wants money. No story.

[almanbulls]

"Cohen adds the plaintiff and the Chicago Bulls superstar were in a "non-exclusive, consensual sexual relationship for over two years" ... and there were never any complaints until lawyers started telling her to go after Rose for a payday. Cohen claims this is the third attorney the plaintiff hired to sue Rose."


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/27/derrick-rose-gang-rape-lawsuit-lawyer-responds/#ixzz3k20Kxe00

[mj234eva]

so does a rich lawyer buying some blow at her dealer's place.

Or just simply on a date. It's not always a known "bad" guy either.

[asuran]

I'll leave this to the investigators to dig up evidence.

I thought Bill Cosby was a cool guy for years. What was revealed about him this past year disappointed me greatly, he was someone I watched when I was growing up.

If Rose in fact did this, however unlikely this might be, I will be disappointed but I'm glad he got found out early and not some 20 years later.

[Polynice4Pippen]

I must be the naive one then. I don't know how many women I know. Most have careers or raise kids as married woman. (Edit: or were married to the fathers or were very serious with the fathers) None have falsely accused men of rape.

I think that women who would falsely allege rape probably aren't randomly dispersed among the normal population. Normal people probably rarely come into contact with such women. Derrick rose and his friends are not normal people in terms of lifestyle.

And all athletes arent falsely or otherwise accused of rape. The vast majority arent. And the ones that dont associate with certain kinds of women probably dont run that risk.

Let's not get to victim blaming here. You wouldn't be falsely accused of rape if you didn't associate with certain women? Derrick Rose has the right to associate with any type of woman he wants without being falsely accused of rape, if that's the case here. If you're insinuating he did something wrong simply by associating with her then you're way off base.

[musiqsoulchild]

The cool thing about our country is that NO ONE is above the law.

The sad thing about our country is that the richer person has access to better lawyers.

[Ice Man]

So you say. I know, or know of dozens of college and career women. None have done this. So one of us is wildly distorting reality.

I've never encountered such a thing either. But then again, there are multiple realities. Those who live in party circles, around party people, have very different views of what is normal than those who do not.

[truth18]

Worth discussing for sure.

The purported crime in this case is serious enough to follow this through to its entirety.

Really hoping that this is just someone wanting to be paid off quickly. I know that sounds misogynistic, but I really need to believe that Rose and his 20 Million are not going to jail.

Nope, that's not misogynistic that's just thinking rationally. Don't let the feminists confuse you.

I am quoting you because if I start quoting all of the ignorant proclamations I have read through the 13 pages of this thread I will never finish.

Do you even know what been a feminist means? It is just believing in equality, equal conditions, equal lifes for men and women, everyone that is anywhere close to been a proper human been should call themself a feminist.

I appreciate your positive thoughts, but that's not what being a feminist means. It means you actively study, research and integrate the core truths of a myriad of academic/philosophic/historical disciplines. There are many sub-branches of feminism because of this. They have debates with each other, publish differing theories, etc, all towards a general goal of autonomy, civil rights, and understanding of general "women's issues" (obviously these can occur with men, and do, just the best way to phrase it atm) issues such as domestic abuse, rape and place in society.

Some feminist theories even call for the inclusion of men in the discussion, other criticize the eurocentric, occasionally Marxist "traditional" feminism as it has historically, and still does exclude people of color, men and trans people largely not taking their differing views on the subject.

Sorry, I felt the need to clarify this. That's not what feminism is. I agree though, its fantastic imo and serves a worthy purpose. But its way more academic than social/protest oriented in modern times (actually, its always been like that, haha).

[RyGuy24]

Moral of the story, leave the skanks alone.

Never know what's in someone's heart. "Good girls" falsely accuse people as well.

I doubt that. Not women who have their **** together.

How much you want to bet this girl has no job, isn't going to school, clubs 3 nights a week on no income? She wears the skank uniform, she's a skank.

The lawsuit says she was the accountant of a property management firm at the time, so she had a pretty good job and presumably already finished college.

[guest81]

No idea if its true or not, and honestly I dont give a damn, but most of you guys should be ashamed of yourselves, Rose is innocent until proven otherwise, but dismissing the woman accusations in the ridiculous manners you most have, should warrant tons of reports.
I expected better.

I am sorry, and maybe I am jaded from seeing stuff like this all the time. My last trial as a prosecutor which caused me to get out, and go into a more tame sector of the law, was a DV case where my victim was co-operative up until she took the stand. And then it was all lies and how she started the fight. People lie for many reasons, and frankly, this women's story is bull****. Victim mentality exists, I know this first hand, but if she had a good case, we wouldn't be hearing about it first from TMZ two years later, after she is on her third lawyer. If this case had good facts, she would have the best lawyer in Chicago representing her, because she would be making $$$$$$.

That she has gone through multiple lawyers to reach the point of spilling the case to TMZ alludes to only one thing, her story reeks of BS, and only a desperate attorney wants the case. Cause this isn't just her going to 2 lawyers and finally having a 3rd lawyer representing her, this is her hiring 3 lawyers, and having the first 2 withdraw. Which means she likely has met with 10+ other attorneys who just rejected her case right off the bat.

If you want to quote someone Fischella, quote me, cause I stand by my claim, from experience, what she is saying is BS.

For someone claiming to a prosecutor, you seem to be awful naive in thinking that the whole story is a paragraph written by TMZ

[truth18]

So you say. I know, or know of dozens of college and career women. None have done this. So one of us is wildly distorting reality.

I've never encountered such a thing either. But then again, there are multiple realities. Those who live in party circles, around party people, have very different views of what is normal than those who do not.

? Now we are talking about what normal means? Confused. Its a relative term. I thought you meant a lower class woman working at a fast-food chain vs. a successful college student or business woman? What does "partying" have to do with anything? I think we all are on the same page as far as what we mean by normal person: polite, well kept, interesting, not noticeably immoral, employed at a decent or better job with a salary/home.

Right?

You're not saying Rose is to blame for dating her are you? I mean, people can date who they want. Skanky women aren't automatically bad people and vice versa. Also, apparently she wasn't a skank/was somewhat successful?

Anyway, **** lawyers. And **** vagueness. Please, someone come out and say Derrick is 100% innocent. There has to be away to confirm or deny at least the basic stuff here.

Hope its cool I'm posting here again, seems like its always during a bad circumstance unfortunately. I love lurking your board, great fan-base here. Lots of intelligent people, really solid nba discussion.

[madvillian]

"Cohen adds the plaintiff and the Chicago Bulls superstar were in a "non-exclusive, consensual sexual relationship for over two years" ... and there were never any complaints until lawyers started telling her to go after Rose for a payday. Cohen claims this is the third attorney the plaintiff hired to sue Rose."


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/27/derrick-rose-gang-rape-lawsuit-lawyer-responds/#ixzz3k20Kxe00

My take is looking more and more accurate. Lawyers will do anything for publicity and money as well but some of them actually value their rep as well. Usually the only lawyers who will try these cases are the ones as down on their luck as the accuser.

This is just a money grab pure and simple. As I said last night if this really happened she would have had a slam dunk case to sue Derrick for all he was worth right after it happened or if not right after, at least within a month or so after she had time to gather herself. 2 years later? 3rd attorney she's gone through trying to get this to go anywhere?

Just disgusting. Rape culture exists you guys can drop that whole red herring right now. Derrick Rose and this girl isn't an example of rape culture or anything. It's an example of greed and money making people do crazy ****.