2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 - Merged

[TheSuzerain]

How many teams are able to do that at a high level? How many teams have a center like Anthony Davis or Draymond Green, that can switch everything, defend at a high level and are useful offensively? Even players like Gobert, Embiid and Capela can be exposed.

There may be 3 teams max that have a good small ball lineup. There is 1 team that has a great small ball lineup and it's because of the historically unique set of talent they have. Chasing that build isn't going to work.

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The best teams are able to do it at a high level. The ones we should be trying to compete with.

Then we should make sure we only draft HOF players. It’s a great plan. Someone call Pax.

You don't need an Anthony Davis/Draymond Green to play effective small ball. Someone like Kelly Olynyk is often sufficient.

And I'll say again, the issue really is Lauri. He's the guy who will most likely be the big in our imaginary future 4 guard/wing line-up.

If we didn't already have Lauri in the fold, I'd be far more open to WCJ/Bamba/Ayton.

[Red Larrivee]

All-time great stars aren't going anywhere, Red. That's always going to be the hurdle.

3-point oriented offenses aren't going anywhere either unless they move the line way back.

Sure, but to win a championship, being an elite three-point shooting team isn't necessarily the requirement.

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[TheSuzerain]

All-time great stars aren't going anywhere, Red. That's always going to be the hurdle.

3-point oriented offenses aren't going anywhere either unless they move the line way back.

Sure, but to win a championship, being an elite three-point shooting team isn't necessarily the requirement.

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Having an elite offense is a requirement. The 3 point shot is a huge part of that. 4 guard/wing line-ups are a huge part of that.

[Red Larrivee]

Having an elite offense is a requirement. The 3 point shot is a huge part of that. 4 guard/wing line-ups are a huge part of that.

Having an elite offense isn't the same thing as having an elite three-point shooting team. You can merely be above average at it and still be a championship team.

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[Jcool0]

The NBA Podcast.

Which one?

The one with Morten Stig Jensen and Bryan Toporek.

[TankOverlord]

We need to come away with Luka, JJJ or Trae. Bigs are worthless and MPJ is a huge risk with his back.

Only want guys who can create offense and/or hit 3's. Other skills can he had cheaply in free agency or lower down in the draft.

[Habs72]

Potential Deal

Chicago Bulls get: No. 2 pick

Sacramento Kings get: No. 7 pick and Kris Dunn

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777197-teams-that-should-trade-up-for-luka-doncic-in-2018-nba-draft


Yoooo. I'd do this in a heartbeat....

Bill Simmons has me pumped for Luka

Makes no sense whatsover, why would Sacramento want Dunn when they have 2 PGs that had a fine rookie seasons?

[MrSparkle]

Potential Deal

Chicago Bulls get: No. 2 pick

Sacramento Kings get: No. 7 pick and Kris Dunn

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777197-teams-that-should-trade-up-for-luka-doncic-in-2018-nba-draft


Yoooo. I'd do this in a heartbeat....

Bill Simmons has me pumped for Luka

Makes no sense whatsover, why would Sacramento want Dunn when they have 2 PGs that had a fine rookie seasons?

I dunno about that particular deal having any legs...

But, it is Sacramento... so there’s a chance.

[Ugly Duckling]

Carter doesn’t have tremendous upside, but seems pretty solid across the board. I like his passing and ability to shoot. My main gripe is his athleticism, which limits his lateral movement and ability to play the 4. We need tremendous athletes first and foremost. He would be a good third big in a rotation, while we need a first or second one

[Habs72]

All-time great stars aren't going anywhere, Red. That's always going to be the hurdle.

3-point oriented offenses aren't going anywhere either unless they move the line way back.

Sure, but to win a championship, being an elite three-point shooting team isn't necessarily the requirement.

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Having an elite offense is a requirement. The 3 point shot is a huge part of that. 4 guard/wing line-ups are a huge part of that.

Besides JLB that Cleveland has one elite offence for sure .

[Habs72]

Carter doesn’t have tremendous upside, but seems pretty solid across the board. I like his passing and ability to shoot. My main gripe is his athleticism, which limits his lateral movement and ability to play the 4. We need tremendous athletes first and foremost. He would be a good third big in a rotation, while we need a first or second one

All scout reports says he is ABOVE average athletic wise, A-B-O-V-E average. Dunno where this "he is not athletic" keeps coming from(not meant towards you). Also mind you all, he has the NBA ready body already that might only need some fine tuning.
He turned 19 last month so he is ONE year younger what even Lauri was when he was drafted so you think he is 100% familiar with his body?

Im not saying he is the one we should draft but he should be DEFINITELY the one that we draft if we wont move up and there is Mikal and him to choose from... stop downplaying him and that he wouldnt fit next Lauri(again this rant wasnt towards you Ugly )!

[bigworld2017]

The best teams are able to do it at a high level. The ones we should be trying to compete with.

They do it at a high level mainly because of their all-time great stars.

We're not going to be competing with Golden State or Houston. Who knows what the team structure is like the next time Chicago is good enough to compete. That's why it's a fool's errand to build your teams to mimic what's hot today.

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Red, I agree with you 100%. In a copycat league the way to succeed is to go against the trend. Because once every other team has gone small the team with 2 mobile, two way 7 footers will be able to create the mismatches that give you the edge. I've been trying to make this point repeatedly in advocating that we take Bamba. Most of the concerns about him are overblown. He is already shown he's a worker, willing to seek out any help in getting better, from shooting coaches, to Joel Embiid to Kevin Garnett. He's already greatly improved his jump shot in just a few months. He's already gained some functional weight. He's now up to 225-227 lbs. In 2 or 3 years he'll play at 240 which is what Garnett weighed in his prime. With him and Lauri on the court together (eventually) other teams will have to pick their poison. Use their "5" to cover Lauri or Bamba, with both of our bigs capable of playing from the rim to the arc. Plant both of them at the arc and create insane spacing for a capable penetrator like Dunn. You have to be able to project the capability and desire to improve. None of the players in this Draft are the next coming of 23, LeBron or Durant. All of them will need to develop. It clear that Bamba has a plan and the desire and work ethic to achieve greatness. And in a game where inches matter I'll go with the guy whose physical gifts give him a possible advantage.

[jump]

Carter doesn’t have tremendous upside, but seems pretty solid across the board. I like his passing and ability to shoot. My main gripe is his athleticism, which limits his lateral movement and ability to play the 4. We need tremendous athletes first and foremost. He would be a good third big in a rotation, while we need a first or second one

All scout reports says he is ABOVE average athletic wise, A-B-O-V-E average. Dunno where this "he is not athletic" keeps coming from(not meant towards you). Also mind you all, he has the NBA ready body already that might only need some fine tuning.
He turned 19 last month so he is ONE year younger what even Lauri was when he was drafted so you think he is 100% familiar with his body?

Im not saying he is the one we should draft but he should be DEFINITELY the one that we draft if we wont move up and there is Mikal and him to choose from... stop downplaying him and that he wouldnt fit next Lauri(again this rant wasnt towards you Ugly )!

Agreed. How can you say a 19 year old who is very good at almost everything doesn't have any upside? That makes no sense. Is it because he's already very good at so many things? That doesn't make any sense either. If he's this good now, imagine him in 5-6 years.

[Axolotl]

Bamba is very unlikely to be available to us, as his stock has been on the rise.

But at least two of the top 8 will be available. And it's a crapshoot on who will become what in the future. Of the top 8 2-4 will be busts. I just keep my fingers crossed that our guy won't be one of them.

[pipfan]

One of the reasons I want Bagley is his offensive rebounding. So few teams emphasize it now, that they might not be prepared for a terror like him crashing the boards. those cheap baskets count, and it makes teams send more guys to the glass, thus slowing their break

[NecessaryEvil]

BigWorld2017 = Mo Bamba

[johnnyvann840]

The best teams are able to do it at a high level. The ones we should be trying to compete with.

They do it at a high level mainly because of their all-time great stars.

We're not going to be competing with Golden State or Houston. Who knows what the team structure is like the next time Chicago is good enough to compete. That's why it's a fool's errand to build your teams to mimic what's hot today.

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Red, I agree with you 100%. In a copycat league the way to succeed is to go against the trend. Because once every other team has gone small the team with 2 mobile, two way 7 footers will be able to create the mismatches that give you the edge. I've been trying to make this point repeatedly in advocating that we take Bamba. Most of the concerns about him are overblown. He is already shown he's a worker, willing to seek out any help in getting better, from shooting coaches, to Joel Embiid to Kevin Garnett. He's already greatly improved his jump shot in just a few months. He's already gained some functional weight. He's now up to 225-227 lbs. In 2 or 3 years he'll play at 240 which is what Garnett weighed in his prime. With him and Lauri on the court together (eventually) other teams will have to pick their poison. Use their "5" to cover Lauri or Bamba, with both of our bigs capable of playing from the rim to the arc. Plant both of them at the arc and create insane spacing for a capable penetrator like Dunn. You have to be able to project the capability and desire to improve. None of the players in this Draft are the next coming of 23, LeBron or Durant. All of them will need to develop. It clear that Bamba has a plan and the desire and work ethic to achieve greatness. And in a game where inches matter I'll go with the guy whose physical gifts give him a possible advantage.

I agree. I like Bamba too. He's not a traditional center. He can guard PnR and he has a shot. When you see him working out, he is working on his handle and his 3 ball.

I like the idea of going against the grain of "going small".. If you are going to do it though, you need to have unique bigger players who can do the things these smaller lineups can. The Warriors are successful because they have a 7 footer who can do things a guard can in Durant and they have a 6'9" player who can guard much bigger players and guard the PnR.

[CoreyVillains]

All-time great stars aren't going anywhere, Red. That's always going to be the hurdle.

3-point oriented offenses aren't going anywhere either unless they move the line way back.

Sure, but to win a championship, being an elite three-point shooting team isn't necessarily the requirement.

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Having an elite offense is a requirement. The 3 point shot is a huge part of that. 4 guard/wing line-ups are a huge part of that.

What a great argument you're making for drafting Mikal Bridges. Bridges can give an elite offense efficient shooting and finishing while also having the ability to switch 4 positions. Instead you've been saying we should trade back and take a guy with next to no NBA skills besides running, jumping, and defending the guard spots.

[Ugly Duckling]

Carter doesn’t have tremendous upside, but seems pretty solid across the board. I like his passing and ability to shoot. My main gripe is his athleticism, which limits his lateral movement and ability to play the 4. We need tremendous athletes first and foremost. He would be a good third big in a rotation, while we need a first or second one

All scout reports says he is ABOVE average athletic wise, A-B-O-V-E average. Dunno where this "he is not athletic" keeps coming from(not meant towards you). Also mind you all, he has the NBA ready body already that might only need some fine tuning.
He turned 19 last month so he is ONE year younger what even Lauri was when he was drafted so you think he is 100% familiar with his body?

Im not saying he is the one we should draft but he should be DEFINITELY the one that we draft if we wont move up and there is Mikal and him to choose from... stop downplaying him and that he wouldnt fit next Lauri(again this rant wasnt towards you Ugly )!

Haha I know you said this isn't directed against me, but you should still chill a bit bro. No need to type in all caps and spell out above. Most of us know how to spell lol. Check this out if you haven't done so already: https://youtu.be/EFhaNN3puxQ

Also the eye test

[Ugly Duckling]

Carter doesn’t have tremendous upside, but seems pretty solid across the board. I like his passing and ability to shoot. My main gripe is his athleticism, which limits his lateral movement and ability to play the 4. We need tremendous athletes first and foremost. He would be a good third big in a rotation, while we need a first or second one

All scout reports says he is ABOVE average athletic wise, A-B-O-V-E average. Dunno where this "he is not athletic" keeps coming from(not meant towards you). Also mind you all, he has the NBA ready body already that might only need some fine tuning.
He turned 19 last month so he is ONE year younger what even Lauri was when he was drafted so you think he is 100% familiar with his body?

Im not saying he is the one we should draft but he should be DEFINITELY the one that we draft if we wont move up and there is Mikal and him to choose from... stop downplaying him and that he wouldnt fit next Lauri(again this rant wasnt towards you Ugly )!

Agreed. How can you say a 19 year old who is very good at almost everything doesn't have any upside? That makes no sense. Is it because he's already very good at so many things? That doesn't make any sense either. If he's this good now, imagine him in 5-6 years.

I said tremendous upside. Obviously he's going to improve. I'm not a scout, but I've been watching basketball for years and my prospect analysis has been pretty spot on. I don't follow college ball, so I don't know as much as those of you who do. My initial reaction after we were projected to pick 6th was he was my least favorite out of our options. Someone on this board recommended that I watch more footage, so I did and reported back. I can't really think of someone to compare him to, but he just feels like a solid player. We need explosive athleticism at every position IMO