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2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably)

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#261 » by GimmeDat » Wed Jan 1, 2020 11:23 pm

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Lauri is not shooting at 33%. He's at 40% in December (13 games) on heavyish volume (7 3PA). That's certainly a large enough sample to tell us he's left his horrible slump behind. There will be others, of course, as there are for most guys, but Lauri and Zach have been neck and neck for a while now when it comes to being the best outside shoorer of the team.


He is. Since I wrote that he's moved up a fraction to 33.7% on the season. December is not the whole season.

As I said, he projects to shoot better than that mark - as I cited, he's shot better than that at every other level. But I don't think you can say he's close to Lavine as a shooter when he's shot 35.6% from 3 over 153 games in his career. Lavine's been a much more prolific shooter whilst taking harder looks from 3 over his career.

But yeah, both guys are good 3 point shooters.


Gimme, what do you think of Hayes and Avdija?

What about Mannion and Haliburton and their fit?


Hayes is really good. Extremely good passer, good size, can shoot both spotting up and off the dribble, etc. He's pretty well rounded. I'm trying to figure out exactly where I have him between all these PG prospects, but I feel like it's pretty high up.

Avdija is an interesting player - some really interesting tools, love a forward that can pass, solid athlete.. but it might be easy to overrate him as well, I'm a little scared of touching him in most of the top 10. He's playing 13 mins a game and averaging 2.9 points a game in Euroleague. Shooting 21% from 3 (3/14 sample) this season. Could see an outcome where he busts and people go 'I can't believe we were so high on him' in retrospect. But I do believe there's a lot of potential there.

Haliburton maybe a little lower, but I do think he's a pretty good fit. He can catch and shoot, not the same shooting versatility as Hayes, but you have to respect him. Excellent passer with great A/TO rate, and again, a big/long PG who is a good defender. I like the fit, my only concern as currently constructed, is whether this team needs a guy with a bit more on-ball dynamism - his ceiling as a penetrator/ and overall scorer feels limited, to me. Somewhat in that Lonzo Ball type archetype.

Mannion's having a good season, great shooter, strong facilitator, I'm a little lower on him because of the tools though, he's smaller, weaker defender, can't really get into the paint and score. He'll be a really solid NBA player, but not sure he's our 'answer' at the PG position.

My shortlist right now is probably -

Cole Anthony (if he somehow drops because of the injury stuff)
Killian Hayes
RJ Hampton
Isaac Okoro
James Wiseman (don't think he'll drop but I have him later on my board)
Onyeka Okongwu (obviously not in the market for a big but I think he's great value where we'll be)

Then the 2nd tier has your Haliburton, Mannion, Maxey, Avdija, Maledon, maybe Toppin and McDaniels come in around here as well.

Ball would be top tier, I think he's out of reach though.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#262 » by MeloRoseNoah » Thu Jan 2, 2020 8:40 am

My top players for this team from this draft are LaMelo Ball and Nico Manion.

If Wiseman drops to us, I would take him and send Lauri packing for some soft team that will give us some asset back.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#263 » by Jcool0 » Sat Jan 4, 2020 7:04 am

MeloRoseNoah wrote:My top players for this team from this draft are LaMelo Ball and Nico Manion.

If Wiseman drops to us, I would take him and send Lauri packing for some soft team that will give us some asset back.


LaMelo Ball? hahahahahahahaha please tell me you are joking?
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#264 » by MeloRoseNoah » Sat Jan 4, 2020 6:37 pm

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MeloRoseNoah wrote:My top players for this team from this draft are LaMelo Ball and Nico Manion.

If Wiseman drops to us, I would take him and send Lauri packing for some soft team that will give us some asset back.


LaMelo Ball? hahahahahahahaha please tell me you are joking?


I am willing to put my hatred for Lavar Ball aside especially if the prospect has Jason Kidd ceiling.

The two top playmakers in this draft are LaMelo Ball and Nico Manion. Their addition will increase the bball IQ of this team tremendously.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#265 » by SfBull » Sat Jan 4, 2020 7:35 pm

A great game now is Florida State vs Louisville,great defensive display by both teams.Jordan Nwora playing another good game.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#266 » by Benedict Miller » Sun Jan 5, 2020 3:40 am

Whoever drafts that kid Vernon Carey will be getting a good player. He's better than people think as i looked at one mock draft that has him as the 23rd pick.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#267 » by othawhitemeat » Sun Jan 5, 2020 10:09 pm

I know we have the SG, but I like Nesmith from Vandy. The dude can shoot, has a little dribble, solid athlete. Reminds me of Buddy Hield. I would trade Zach if we dont get a top 3 pick, but can get him.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#268 » by MrSparkle » Sun Jan 5, 2020 10:26 pm

Anybody find it concerning that Bulls have had three #7 picks in a row and not been able to draft a wing?

Furthermore, the next draft projects very few lotto wings.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#269 » by GimmeDat » Sun Jan 5, 2020 10:47 pm

I think Isaac Okoro is close to my favourite guy in our range. There's your wing.

He's been struggling with his 3 ball but other than that, he's a gifted passer and improving handler for a wing, an elite defender, arguably the best in the draft, and an athletic and talented finisher.

As for Carey, I know he's been super productive, but I think he just does not translate. Super slow, defensive liability, it's like Greg Monroe a decade later.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#270 » by CoreyVillains » Mon Jan 6, 2020 4:55 pm

I’ve done a pretty in depth dive in LaMelo and he’s a stay away from me. Better passing worse shooting Jamal Crawford. He’s obviously an incredible ball handler and passer, but he’s so raw in every other way. Here are some vids I’ve put up on Twitter while I put together my actual draft vid.

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#271 » by CoreyVillains » Wed Jan 8, 2020 6:20 pm

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Went through another LaMelo game.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#272 » by The Force. » Thu Jan 9, 2020 3:21 am

What are people's thoughts on Tyrese Haliburton? Seems like a GarPax type player who will be available in the 5-10 range (where we'll most likely be picking).
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#273 » by MeloRoseNoah » Thu Jan 9, 2020 4:28 am

The Force. wrote:What are people's thoughts on Tyrese Haliburton? Seems like a GarPax type player who will be available in the 5-10 range (where we'll most likely be picking).


He has Jimmy Butler/SGA upside potential and possibly could be the best player in the draft.

But he’s not a natural playmaker. But we need top end talent more than anything. I would draft him and trade Lavine.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#274 » by GimmeDat » Thu Jan 9, 2020 9:37 pm

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The Force. wrote:What are people's thoughts on Tyrese Haliburton? Seems like a GarPax type player who will be available in the 5-10 range (where we'll most likely be picking).


He has Jimmy Butler/SGA upside potential and possibly could be the best player in the draft.

But he’s not a natural playmaker. But we need top end talent more than anything. I would draft him and trade Lavine.


Huh? Haliburton's #1 calling card is his playmaking. He's averaging 8.5 assists per 40.

Don't see him having nearly the scoring upside of a Butler/SGA either.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#276 » by Repeat 3-peat » Thu Jan 9, 2020 11:53 pm

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He's going to be a star. His defense is elite and his offense will continue to get better.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#277 » by MeloRoseNoah » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:18 am

GimmeDat wrote:
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The Force. wrote:What are people's thoughts on Tyrese Haliburton? Seems like a GarPax type player who will be available in the 5-10 range (where we'll most likely be picking).


He has Jimmy Butler/SGA upside potential and possibly could be the best player in the draft.

But he’s not a natural playmaker. But we need top end talent more than anything. I would draft him and trade Lavine.


I know his stats. When I watch the film on him, I don’t see Trae Young, Doncic, Nash, or Kidd playmaking ability. His is above average.

The only players that I see with that kind of vision are Manion and LaMelo.

Huh? Haliburton's #1 calling card is his playmaking. He's averaging 8.5 assists per 40.

Don't see him having nearly the scoring upside of a Butler/SGA either.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#278 » by GimmeDat » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:46 am

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He has Jimmy Butler/SGA upside potential and possibly could be the best player in the draft.

But he’s not a natural playmaker. But we need top end talent more than anything. I would draft him and trade Lavine.


I know his stats. When I watch the film on him, I don’t see Trae Young, Doncic, Nash, or Kidd playmaking ability. His is above average.

The only players that I see with that kind of vision are Manion and LaMelo.

Huh? Haliburton's #1 calling card is his playmaking. He's averaging 8.5 assists per 40.

Don't see him having nearly the scoring upside of a Butler/SGA either.


I agree that LaMelo and Mannion are great playmakers in their own right.

We can agree to disagree on whose better, I'm not sure exactly how I'd rank those guys either because imo they're all very good, but I found it a bit jarring that you referred to him as not a natural playmaker and compared him to some high volume scorers when he's more of a pass-first guy.

I think the numbers are a pretty strong indicator, but if we want to refer to something else, there's a lot of great examples of his vision/passing execution in this video that I looked up -



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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#279 » by GimmeDat » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:49 am

I actually was advocating for Haliburton as my #1 hope for our 2nd round pick last season if he declared (was around his projected range at the time).

Was the right decision to come back, has done wonders for his stock. But man that would've been a nice steal (as much as I love Gafford).
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#280 » by MeloRoseNoah » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:00 am

GimmeDat wrote:
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I know his stats. When I watch the film on him, I don’t see Trae Young, Doncic, Nash, or Kidd playmaking ability. His is above average.

The only players that I see with that kind of vision are Manion and LaMelo.

Huh? Haliburton's #1 calling card is his playmaking. He's averaging 8.5 assists per 40.

Don't see him having nearly the scoring upside of a Butler/SGA either.


I agree that LaMelo and Mannion are great playmakers in their own right.

We can agree to disagree on whose better, I'm not sure exactly how I'd rank those guys either because imo they're all very good, but I found it a bit jarring that you referred to him as not a natural playmaker and compared him to some high volume scorers when he's more of a pass-first guy.

I think the numbers are a pretty strong indicator, but if we want to refer to something else, there's a lot of great examples of his vision/passing execution in this video that I looked up -





When I'm talking about the upside potential of Butler/SGA, I'm talking about baseline offensive tools as well as physical tools. Tyrese has NBA average ball handling ability that allows him to move around the court, with an elite wingspan and height if he does indeed play sg.

Personally, I see his assists as being forced by him being the primary guy and creating for others at an above average level for college basketball. He's using his offensive tools in basic offensive sets to generate freebie assists. I don't see Magic Johnson/Nash/Kidd/Stockton/Doncic third eye assist generation. The only players in this draft with that ability are Manion and LaMelo.

In fact, I would be tempted to draft Manion over LaMelo. I personally think that Manion has Nash/Stockton potential.

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