NBA Trade Thread #2

[Rose2Boozer]

I wonder how long after Porter Jr. opts in before he can be traded for assets.

Bulls: Wiggins, 2020 & 2021 1st round picks

Warriors: Porter, Carter, 2020 1st round pick

Wait, our prize is getting the 2021 #30 pick and losing $35m in cap and WCJ in exchange for Wiseman or LaMelo?

If it’s the Minnesota 2021 1st, then it’s a deal worth considering. Having 2 1sts in a stacked 2021 draft class is very appealing.

Wiseman > WCJ

The Warriors are more than likely going to protect the 2021 Wolves pick with teeth, hands, and feet. I think that's the bargaining chip that brings them another star. They'll probably end up throwing Green overboard to complete such a deal. I think the Warriors 2021 pick will still hold tremendous value.

Wiseman > Carter Jr.
Wiggins > Porter Jr.
Warriors 2021 first is a potentially high valued wildcard

[gobullschi]

Wait, our prize is getting the 2021 #30 pick and losing $35m in cap and WCJ in exchange for Wiseman or LaMelo?

If it’s the Minnesota 2021 1st, then it’s a deal worth considering. Having 2 1sts in a stacked 2021 draft class is very appealing.

Wiseman > WCJ

The Warriors are more than likely going to protect the 2021 Wolves pick with teeth, hands, and feet. I think that's the bargaining chip that brings them another star. They'll probably end up throwing Green overboard to complete such a deal. I think the Warriors 2021 pick will still hold tremendous value.

Wiseman > Carter Jr.
Wiggins > Porter Jr.
Warriors 2021 first is a potentially high valued wildcard

I disagree. OPJ > Wiggins

Wiggins contract is a huge negative and the Warriors 2021 pick is going to be in the 20-30 range which isn’t worth losing the cap space. Only way Bulls consider this deal is if it’s the Minnesota pick and I doubt Warriors move it.

[Andi Obst]

Wiggins > Porter Jr.

I wouldn't even agree on that if we only look at their on-court performance. Yeah OPJ is always injured, but I take him playing sometimes over Wiggins being aggressively bad all the time. Once you consider their contract situations, that's definitely not true. It's going to be a challenge for the Warriors to deal for a star using Wiggins as outgoing salary because his contract is so terrible that you have to attach assets only to dump him before you even get to the assets for the star.

I agree with your point about the Wolves pick, though. The Warriors aren't giving that up easily.

[kodo]

When GS trades for an established star, they'll need Wiggins' salary to match contracts anyway so I don't think his max contract will that much of a burden.

Eg,
Embiid: $27M incoming
Wiggins: $27M outgoing, #2 pick, future Minny pick, future GS picks

Even if Wiggins made less money, more contract would have to be added to match salaries regardless as almost any star makes max. Heck, a lot of non-stars make max.

[Andi Obst]

When GS trades for an established star, they'll need Wiggins' salary to match contracts anyway so I don't think his max contract will that much of a burden.

The salary is necessary to match, sure, but the burden is to convince the other team to take on a really bad player who will make over 30 mil in 22/23. As an expiring contract this would be a non-issue, but the length of the contract certainly is an issue.

[MrSparkle]

So browsing the losers and hopeful 21 contenders (buyer’s club), and their “expendable” trade assets.

BOS - Hayward, #14/26/30

PHI - Horford, Thybull, Zhaire, #21

LAC - Harrell S&T, Lou W & Beverley

GSW - Wiggins, #2

And of course, despite the unexpected Finals trip:

MIA - Iguodala, #20

I doubt Embiid or Simmons move but you can start that conversation. Beal and Paul probably pack their bags for a contender. Maybe Oladipo (though he’s declined a lot). Jrue Holiday could be interesting.

Kinda slim pickings but curious to see if a light bid war occurs for these guys.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Dipo I’m the block. Him and Zach would be a solid backcourt

[FriedRise]

Read on Twitter

[ArmTriangle]

I think I've generally held Oladipo in higher regard than perhaps he's earned. His list of similar careers to this point includes Mike James, Leandro Barbosa, and Eric Bledsoe. Decent players but not exactly major building blocks.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/oladivi01.html

[drosereturn]

I would all in on Oladipo and add another max like AD to complete the rebuild and contend for a championship.
Oladipo, Turner for Lavine, Felicio, Carter, #4.
Roll with Dipo,White,Porter,Lauri, Turner and do a sign and trade with AD/Giannis/pg13 following yr (Lauri, Porter).
Its not a 3max comp but Turner and a decent starting forward is well worth sacrificing a max .

[StunnerKO]

No thank you

[sco]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-76ers-stars-joel-embiid-151008615.html

[kodo]

Dipo is only a 1 year rental before he's an UFA. I can't imagine offers would be head turning, especially given the post knee surgery performance.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

I would all in on Oladipo and add another max like AD to complete the rebuild and contend for a championship.
Oladipo, Turner for Lavine, Felicio, Carter, #4.
Roll with Dipo,White,Porter,Lauri, Turner and do a sign and trade with AD/Giannis/pg13 following yr (Lauri, Porter).
Its not a 3max comp but Turner and a decent starting forward is well worth sacrificing a max .

No way, LaVine is better than Oladipo right now. He’s only had one good season and is coming off an injury. I’d trade for him, but not for anything substantial.

[Onibuh]

Wait, our prize is getting the 2021 #30 pick and losing $35m in cap and WCJ in exchange for Wiseman or LaMelo?

If it’s the Minnesota 2021 1st, then it’s a deal worth considering. Having 2 1sts in a stacked 2021 draft class is very appealing.

Wiseman > WCJ

The Warriors are more than likely going to protect the 2021 Wolves pick with teeth, hands, and feet. I think that's the bargaining chip that brings them another star. They'll probably end up throwing Green overboard to complete such a deal. I think the Warriors 2021 pick will still hold tremendous value.

Wiseman > Carter Jr.
Wiggins > Porter Jr.
Warriors 2021 first is a potentially high valued wildcard

OPJ contract and Player >> Wiggins
Carter and #4 to trade up 2 positions and getting another 1st next year. I think this can be done without the stupid Wiggins part.

Bulls get Nothing out of this trade. They could even get Wiseman at #4....

[weneeda2guard]

putting olidipo and lavine together would be a interesting pairing. you get a pg on board that can do the play making you might have something. you leave the play making in lavine or olidipo hands you will have a mess.

thing is it would probably take our 4th pick to make it happen and that is risky as olidipo can bounce in a year. whereas you can potentially add a great player on their rookie deal this year in the draft. is it a way to make the trade happen without including lavine or our #2?

[gobullschi]

Why give up as asset for Dipo if you can sign him when OPJ expires?

[weneeda2guard]

Why give up as asset for Dipo if you can sign him when OPJ expires?

Because sometimes you want 1st dibs on a star player and by trade you also get their bird rights and can sign them for more money. Him hitting the open market means now we competing with other teams with cap space. I wouldnt give up the 4th to do it but salary future protected pick young prospects might be worth it. I can see the point in getting early jump on a star player especially being in our position

[sco]

Why give up as asset for Dipo if you can sign him when OPJ expires?

Because sometimes you want 1st dibs on a star player and by trade you also get their bird rights and can sign them for more money. Him hitting the open market means now we competing with other teams with cap space. I wouldnt give up the 4th to do it but salary future protected pick young prospects might be worth it. I can see the point in getting early jump on a star player especially being in our position

I'd like to see us make the move, but don't think the Bulls FO would go "all in" on a SG with Lavine on the roster - especially one with lingering health concerns.

I could see teams like Minny or the Knicks more willing to make a deal.

Count me in on a deal for Miles Turner, if he is available. I think he is a victim of a bad pairing with Sabonis and IMO is better than WCJ or Gafford at C.

[Bulldog23]

I think Atlanta is a good trade target. I really like Dedmon and I thought I read some where that they are interested in Dunn. I wonder if the Bulls can do a sign and trade for Dunn and get back #6 and Dedmon.