NBA Trade Thread # 5

[Bulls2021]

Yeah DET does that trade and then they call the Knicks to see if they're still dumb enough to trade Robinson and Knox for DJJ and then they share a laugh at the Bulls expense for being such chumps.

Thank God the Bulls management doesn't fall into the live in the moment of the next 45 games, this is our only chance and to hell with looking at even 2022-23.

The rotation Billy has employed in the last few games should show everybody where the need is and why all these massive deals to sellout the future for a starting PF with offensive numbers that are irrelevant to the Bulls are so useless. Grant, Barnes, and the rest start and with DJJ, White and Brown moving on leaves Caruso as the backup PG and Green as the primary backup PF. I guess they go 3 guards all the time because I don't know who takes the minutes behind Demar. Just who is the second scorer when they leave Lavine or DeRozan on the floor with the bench guys? Caruso isn't going to get the 15 PPG that White does, neither is Ayo or Green.

People want the stats for the new PF to magically appear but when are they going to come? None of the guys mentioned should take shots from DeRozan, Lavine, Vucevic or even Ball when he's wide open. And don't tell me he could play with the bench guys, you've traded your 2 most recent top 7 FRPs to get one of these guys and you don't give that up for a bench scorer.

You can get Grant simply for PWill and DJJ, and if necessary the Portland 1st. The sentiment around the league is that PWill + filler is enough on its own. I wouldn't want to include Coby or other pieces tbh.

[MrSparkle]

I'll be honest; if Pat/Coby go out for a Jerami Grant, I need one more trade to "go all in."

i.e. Lonzo for FVV.

I need 100 PPG from my starting line-up if I'm giving up my only microwave scorer off the bench (Coby).

Lonzo is a 12.9 PPG 41% offensive player. That number is not going up with a guy like Grant or Barnes coming in and taking an extra 12+ FGAs.

People say there's "only 1 ball", but really that is not an issue when you have shooters. There is not enough 3P creation between Demar/Vuc/Grant/Lonzo. They'd fall flat against any squad with superstars+3P shooting (Suns, Warriors, Nets/Hawks/Bucks/Heat on a good night).

[Bulls2021]

I'll be honest; if Pat/Coby go out for a Jerami Grant, I need one more trade to "go all in."

i.e. Lonzo for FVV.

I need 100 PPG from my starting line-up if I'm giving up my only microwave scorer off the bench (Coby).

Lonzo is a 12.9 PPG 41% offensive player. That number is not going up with a guy like Grant or Barnes coming in and taking an extra 12+ FGAs.

People say there's "only 1 ball", but really that is not an issue when you have shooters. There is not enough 3P creation between Demar/Vuc/Grant/Lonzo. They'd fall flat against any squad with superstars+3P shooting (Suns, Warriors, Nets/Hawks/Bucks/Heat on a good night).

I think you gotta keep Coby in a trade for Grant. Pat would be the one that goes. You could always trade Coby in a different move, but he's shaping up to be an important piece for this season.

Not enough 3P creation with Lonzo though? He's a great shooter. Vuc is solid as far as centers go as well.

[sco]

Yeah DET does that trade and then they call the Knicks to see if they're still dumb enough to trade Robinson and Knox for DJJ and then they share a laugh at the Bulls expense for being such chumps.

Thank God the Bulls management doesn't fall into the live in the moment of the next 45 games, this is our only chance and to hell with looking at even 2022-23.

The rotation Billy has employed in the last few games should show everybody where the need is and why all these massive deals to sellout the future for a starting PF with offensive numbers that are irrelevant to the Bulls are so useless. Grant, Barnes, and the rest start and with DJJ, White and Brown moving on leaves Caruso as the backup PG and Green as the primary backup PF. I guess they go 3 guards all the time because I don't know who takes the minutes behind Demar. Just who is the second scorer when they leave Lavine or DeRozan on the floor with the bench guys? Caruso isn't going to get the 15 PPG that White does, neither is Ayo or Green.

People want the stats for the new PF to magically appear but when are they going to come? None of the guys mentioned should take shots from DeRozan, Lavine, Vucevic or even Ball when he's wide open. And don't tell me he could play with the bench guys, you've traded your 2 most recent top 7 FRPs to get one of these guys and you don't give that up for a bench scorer.

You can get Grant simply for PWill and DJJ, and if necessary the Portland 1st. The sentiment around the league is that PWill + filler is enough on its own. I wouldn't want to include Coby or other pieces tbh.

I saw this...related https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2022/01/09/nba-rumors-chicago-bulls-detroit-pistons-trade-lands-jerami-grant-chicago/

But I agree that we should be able to get Pwill for less than DJJ and POR 1st. Obviously we'd need to include DJJ's salary to make numbers work. A better deal that works $-wise that I would definitely consider is Pat, DJJ, TBJ for Grant and Lyles.

[MrSparkle]

I'll be honest; if Pat/Coby go out for a Jerami Grant, I need one more trade to "go all in."

i.e. Lonzo for FVV.

I need 100 PPG from my starting line-up if I'm giving up my only microwave scorer off the bench (Coby).

Lonzo is a 12.9 PPG 41% offensive player. That number is not going up with a guy like Grant or Barnes coming in and taking an extra 12+ FGAs.

People say there's "only 1 ball", but really that is not an issue when you have shooters. There is not enough 3P creation between Demar/Vuc/Grant/Lonzo. They'd fall flat against any squad with superstars+3P shooting (Suns, Warriors, Nets/Hawks/Bucks/Heat on a good night).

I think you gotta keep Coby in a trade for Grant. Pat would be the one that goes. You could always trade Coby in a different move, but he's shaping up to be an important piece for this season.

Not enough 3P creation with Lonzo though? He's a great shooter. Vuc is solid as far as centers go as well.

I think there's a reason we shoot the least number of 3Ps in the league. Donovan knows we're good at taking the open look/opportunity, but not good in high volume or with a hand in the face. And in the playoffs, you darn well imagine those 3P looks are going to get much harder. Guys might chase Zach to the line, but they probably still leave some space with Lonzo/Vuc, Demar and Javonte. Do they have the cajones to kill a zone? I don't know, we've seen very mixed results. The team's shooting is very streaky, particularly the bench.

[Wingy]

So do we add John Collins to the list?

May not be a great fit on the court (defense), and tough on salary/package, but sure could be another reason for 100s, maybe thousands of Bulls fan posts!!!

[BullChit]

From the wire John Collins frustrated with his role in Atlanta......

I know cue the discussions of;
not a fit, too expensive, he sucks
VS
He's perfect, Let's go all in, CHI SLAMMA JAMMA, Trade Coby, Pat DJJ and Portland's Pick etc...

Either way it's bound to come up so here I am kicking the party off.

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[BullChit]

So do we add John Collins to the list?

May not be a great fit on the court (defense), and tough on salary/package, but sure could be another reason for 100s, maybe thousands of Bulls fan posts!!!

DAMMIT Wingy... I thought I was getting the scoop

[ImSlower]

Collins was just a part of an electric team that went surprisingly deep in the playoffs. He wants out of that situation so he can score more. He wouldn't come here to be the fourth guy. In theory I'd like him over Vucevic, though! He simply isn't going to be a trade option for the Bulls. It's more likely we pull Zach Collins than John.

[Wingy]

Chicago Receives:
Zach Collins
Keita Bates-Diop

San Antonio Receives:
Derrick Jones Jr.
2021 1st (POR)

Zach Collins is set to return from his ankle surgery, and might be someone to follow closely the next couple weeks. He fits the mold of a guy with size that can defend. Keita Bates-Diop (IL Native) did a great job defending Durant tonight. He’s got great size (6’8”) and a terrific wingspan (7’3”).

Ha, I liked what I saw enough from KBD in that end of game matchup that I thought “hmmmm.”

Why Collins though? Guy is a walking injury. Wouldn’t give up DJJ, much less a first. That’s crazy.

Acquiring KBD in a smaller deal though? That’s the type of minor move I think a lot are hoping to see. Matt Thomas or Javonte work straight up salary wise. Maybe we could get our pick back by offering them the Blazers pick that might convey sooner, and could also be higher for them?

[gobullschi]

Chicago Receives:
Zach Collins
Keita Bates-Diop

San Antonio Receives:
Derrick Jones Jr.
2021 1st (POR)

Zach Collins is set to return from his ankle surgery, and might be someone to follow closely the next couple weeks. He fits the mold of a guy with size that can defend. Keita Bates-Diop (IL Native) did a great job defending Durant tonight. He’s got great size (6’8”) and a terrific wingspan (7’3”).

Ha, I liked what I saw enough from KBD in that end of game matchup that I thought “hmmmm.”

Why Collins though? Guy is a walking injury. Wouldn’t give up DJJ, much less a first. That’s crazy.

Acquiring KBD in a smaller deal though? That’s the type of minor move I think a lot are hoping to see. Matt Thomas or Javonte work straight up salary wise. Maybe we could get our pick back by offering them the Blazers pick that might convey sooner, and could also be higher for them?

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that noticed KBD’s defense on KD. I wanted him in the offseason – thought he was a low-risk high-reward option & no one fights harder than a hometown kid!

First off, I’m in favor of moving DJJ (ahead of others) because I don’t believe he will be on the roster next season. I view TBJ as the long-term fit (bird rights) and would prefer he get more minutes to develop.

I like Zach Collins the player – I don’t like Zach Collin’s health history. I’m not sure if it would require a 1st Round Pick (probably too much), but perhaps there is a deal to be struck here for a smaller asset? Maybe DJJ is enough? The salaries work out.

He just needs to hold down the fort until Patrick Williams returns and then his minutes will drop (reducing the likelihood of an injury). Just another name to follow when he returns.

[LateNight]

I do not understand the interest that people on here seem to have in trading Javonte, Ayo or DJJ.

It’s robbing Peter to pay Paul. And it’s extra bizarre since half the guys being suggested as targets are worse than the players expected to show up in the waiver wire.

[gobullschi]

I do not understand the interest that people on here seem to have in trading Javonte, Ayo or DJJ.

It’s robbing Peter to pay Paul. And it’s extra bizarre since half the guys being suggested as targets are worse than the players expected to show up in the waiver wire.

The Bulls should be looking to move DJJ for players with multiple years remaining on their contract to maintain depth over the next 2 or 3 years, especially if they can get some more size. They can't get away with starting guys that are 6'5" or under at power forward when facing teams like Philly, Brooklyn, Milwaukee, & Cleveland in the playoffs. DJJ is an expiring contract and the Bulls don't own his bird rights. He's the one player on the roster that makes the MOST sense to move, because his future with the team is limited to this season, and this season only.

I haven't really seen anyone throw Javonte or Ayo in trade packages.

[Onibuh]

I wonder who'll replace DJJ or Javonte or Coby if we just trade them all for 1 player. I like the depth of this team considering all the missed games so far.
Sure with Carushow back it adds a Guard to the mix, but the depth will keep the team good even if Lavine/DeMar go on a slump.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Why are people soo eager to trade DJJ, just bcs he is expiring? I wouldnt do it.. I would keep him for backup PF!

Lets face it, Javonte cant play PF anymore... he can defend guards and wings up to 6'7, for others he is just too small! Even if he is their face, they shot over him.. Caruso, Lonzo, Jones,Brown, McKinnie are better for guarding bigger PF's.

[sco]

For folks wanting Nance, if we include POR's 1st that they could unprotect and send to PHI, this deal might work:

[LateNight]

I haven't really seen anyone throw Javonte or Ayo in trade packages.

A couple posts above this there is someone saying to trade “Matt Thomas or Javonte” to get Keita Bates Diop.

And a few pages back there was a multi-post discussion about moving Ayo because he’s a backup and “one of the only pieces we have”.

[sco]

I haven't really seen anyone throw Javonte or Ayo in trade packages.

A couple posts above this there is someone saying to trade “Matt Thomas or Javonte” to get Keita Bates Diop.

And a few pages back there was a multi-post discussion about moving Ayo because he’s a backup and “one of the only pieces we have”.

The problem with trading Javonte and/or Ayo is their low salaries. To get back most decent players we'd need to add in DJJ, White or Pat to make $ work.

[NecessaryEvil]

TBJ, Matt Thomas, Simonovic & Portland's pick to Portland for Larry Nance Jr.


C Vucevic / Nance Jr. / Bradley
F Nance Jr. / DJJ
G DeRozan / Green
G LaVine / White / Ayo
G Ball / Caruso


Bradley, next season, has a player option I believe which he likely opts into. Trade him after, re-sign DJJ and Pat comes into the fold next season. Nance Jr. would then be an expiring.

[LateNight]

I haven't really seen anyone throw Javonte or Ayo in trade packages.

A couple posts above this there is someone saying to trade “Matt Thomas or Javonte” to get Keita Bates Diop.

And a few pages back there was a multi-post discussion about moving Ayo because he’s a backup and “one of the only pieces we have”.

The problem with trading Javonte and/or Ayo is their low salaries. To get back most decent players we'd need to add in DJJ, White or Pat to make $ work.

The other problem with trading them is that they have a tremendously positive impact on the team.