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[MGB8]

Interesting discussion, Patrick Williams is indeed the guy I'd try to trade immediately.

Yes he has improved, but is he a "building block" (= someone who'll be one of the top 3 players on a team)?
I doubt, to me he'd be a borderlione starter on a good team, but no one who'd be able to carry a good team anytime.
Someone will offer him more than the Qualifying offer and then we do have a problem. Our problem will be that he's not the missing puzzle piece, sine with Coby we do have just one puzzle piece in place at best and it wouldn't be a good idea to throw any upcoming cap flexibility out of the window just to not lose a role player.

Unfortunately he got drafted by AKME so they will not trade him in order not to lose face ...

The issue is that, kind of like Lauri, the team could easily come to regret trading Pat. He is not a superstar and it doesn’t look like he will ever be. But could, based on slow but steady progression, he become an absolutely elite defensive “glue guy,” along the lines of OG (or Deng)? I would put the chances of that at over 25% just based on what he has already shown.

He is a 2 way player in that he can both defend (with position defense versatility), can shoot (though clearly not a high volume gunner) and can handle, drive and pass some. On the latter items, while right now he is, at best, a 4th option on a good team - you could easily see his handle and skills progress to where he is a solid 3rd option and borderline but not quite 2nd option on a good team (a la OG). If that happens, that is a critical player for pretty much any team. The issue with Pat is energy level (and consistency of energy level) and assertiveness / aggressiveness.

[Stratmaster]

I feel sorry for the people who still have hope that the Bulls are actually going to do something meaningful.

Why would that bother you?

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[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

So….any good rumors lol

[HoopsterJones]

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[2weekswithpay]

Everyone thinking some team will offer Pat and/or DeRozan a big contract - can you name who you think that will be? Teams that will potentially have $30m in cap space:

Detroit
Philly - would have to renounce a lot of cap holds and make moves before re-signing Maxey
Orlando - similar to philly but Wagner and Bitadze. Don't have a big need for a forward
Charlotte - have Miller, Bridges, and Washington already
Utah
Toronto - if they renounce a lot of cap holds and do something before re-signing IQ
San Antonio

Team that could potentially have $20m in cap space:

OKC
Washington - if they drop cap holds on guys like Jones and Wright while releasing Shamet. Not sure they're looking for a forward with Kuzma, Avdija, and Coulibaly.


That's really it. From a cap space perspective this is who might have the cap space to throw an offer at someone like DeRozan or Williams that complicates our ability to keep them.

Who form this list in concerning you?

Derozan who knows, teams weren't interested in him at all 2-3 years ago as a free agent but that was for him asking price. If he's willing to take the MLE I think the market opens up quite a bit for him. Pat still makes sense for quite a few teams.

Detroit- Enough cap for 2 max contracts and they need a 4 that can shoot and defend. Stewart isn't a 4. They have more than enough money, Pat fits with the rest of their young players, their GM Troy Weaver reportedly loved Pat predraft.

Philly- The renouncing cap holds of players like Tobias Harris, Marcus Morris, Kurkmaz etc. are obvious. Morey didn't position this team for 2 max contracts this summer to not use it.

Orlando- Loves players with size, length and that can defend as evident by their roster and recent draft picks. Pat being able to shoot is pretty big as well.

Charlotte- Bridges is a UFA this summer and Washington has been in trade rumors for years. Washington isn't some core piece like LaMelo or Miller. Both could be traded today.

Raptors- A lot of their cap holds seem obvious guys like Thad and Kira Lewis and Otto Porter will have their right renounced most likely. Trent may walk in free agency and if Bruce Brown is traded for an expiring, more cap opens up for the Raptors.

[Stratmaster]

Maybe all the way to 8th! Or, oooooo, 7th!!!!!!

Maybe there are no trades worth executing? Maybe all the other teams know our team construction is no good and aren’t offering much to help us?

Trying to make sense of this nonsense.


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Everyone needs to accept that other than dumping Lavine, who the organization simply wants to divorce, they aren’t going to make any real moves. There will be no significant win now trade, and there will be no significant rebuild trade.

There was never any intent to do anything other than move Zach. That was - and remains - the plan. The stupid ass, cold **** on a plate, plan.

They said as much a l9ng time ago. "We want to see what the team looks like without Zach".

Well, in their eyes, the team has been playing .600 ball without him (despite the 5-2 stretch with him that actually helps them get to that number).

That's a level where you look to find one major piece and make incremental improvements.

Now we have Lonzo shooting at team practices. You know we are going to hear how well he is progressing.

And you know this is about Billy. He despises Lavine and has used him as the scapegoat all along. Demar is his pacifier and Zach is the dog the toddler blames whenever the toddler does something bad.

The problem (well, one of them) is the pieces they expected to get for Lavine aren't coming.

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[jnrjr79]

I love the idea that a sub-.500 team currently slotted ninth wants to "remain" competitive. Remain? How about "become?"

[Stratmaster]

Yes JR is asking for this.

I feel the need to reiterate this: we have zero evidence that ownership is driving this madness. AKME absolutely do not get the benefit of the doubt that they are actually competent but are being forced into incompetence by ownership.

Remember, this is what AK has been selling since he showed up to the interview. While there is no doubt ownership at minimum is okay with it, we don’t know if they are pushing it or following AK’s recommendations or they are all in it together like the Human Centipede.

Regardless, they are still to blame for simply not firing his ass.

AKME? You think the "want to see the team without Lavine" mantra started there?

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[Guru]

I'm not cap savvy....but because we are already over the cap doesn't DeRozan essentially come for free in a sense in an extension scenario? Doesn't it make the most sense (if we don't trade him now) to sign an extension with him because otherwise that money space/hold just goes away? Similar with PAW

[Guru]

I love the idea that a sub-.500 team currently slotted ninth wants to "remain" competitive. Remain? How about "become?"

They have won 60% of their games in the last few months.

[Guru]

big negative of losing DeRozan is that a second primary wing scorer is gone and teams can focus on White more....who fills that gap?

This is not a rhetorical question...I am in favor of trading DeRozan but I could see it as a negative to Coby's development

[jnrjr79]

I love the idea that a sub-.500 team currently slotted ninth wants to "remain" competitive. Remain? How about "become?"

They have won 60% of their games in the last few months.

Neat. But you don't just get to throw out the miserable start to the season. As it stands, the Bulls are bound for the play-in and their likely best outcome is a first round exit if they even make the playoffs. I just can't get too worked up about going 19-13.

[Stratmaster]

100000000% guarantee that our FO right now believes that they can finish between 8-10 this season, maybe make the playoffs. Get Lavine and Ball back in October and magically be the 1 seed next year. THey whole-heartedly believe this! I cant believe how stupid they are, and honestly standing pat is going to drive a lot of fans insane if not away from the team.

What in the world would indicate to you the FO wants Lavine back next season?

Their desperate attempts to trade him?

Lavine saying "fine, trade me"?

Their neutering him on the court?

Handing the #1 scoring role to Coby White?

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[jnrjr79]

I'm not cap savvy....but because we are already over the cap doesn't DeRozan essentially come for free in a sense in an extension scenario? Doesn't it make the most sense (if we don't trade him now) to sign an extension with him because otherwise that money space/hold just goes away? Similar with PAW

The problem right now is that running it back with everyone (new Pat deal, DeRozan extension) not only leads to a mediocre roster, but it also quite realistically puts the Bulls in the luxury tax if they can't unload LaVine's contract. And there's no reason to expect the Bulls to pay the tax for this roster.

[2weekswithpay]

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[Guru]

I love the idea that a sub-.500 team currently slotted ninth wants to "remain" competitive. Remain? How about "become?"

They have won 60% of their games in the last few months.

Neat. But you don't just get to throw out the miserable start to the season. As it stands, the Bulls are bound for the play-in and their likely best outcome is a first round exit if they even make the playoffs. I just can't get too worked up about going 19-13.

60% seems pretty competitive.

[Wingy]

big negative of losing DeRozan is that a second primary wing scorer is gone and teams can focus on White more....who fills that gap?

This is not a rhetorical question...I am in favor of trading DeRozan but I could see it as a negative to Coby's development

Ready or not. Time to force the Paw’s hand.

[Stratmaster]

Bulls are 19-13 since Nov 30th I dont know what everyone was expecting them to do because they were not gonna quit midseason and by now everyone should know how they operate. Now that doesn't rule out them doing something come draft or even over the summer but I can see them wanting t get Coby into the same postseason opportunity as they wanted for Zach so that he raise his profile and have a guy they can use to attract other players but also lead the team.

No star is coming here to play with Coby. They see how badly and cheaply this team is run.

Are we cheap or do we have several players signed to such large contracts that they have no value? Which is it - because the two don't seem to go together?

Great point

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[Guru]

I love the idea of trading DDR and getting another wing scorer who isn't as polished but is younger.

If that can't happen then I like the idea of trading DDR and getting space and picks

[2weekswithpay]

big negative of losing DeRozan is that a second primary wing scorer is gone and teams can focus on White more....who fills that gap?

This is not a rhetorical question...I am in favor of trading DeRozan but I could see it as a negative to Coby's development

If Coby's going to be a future star, he's going to start seeing those defensive coverages eventually.