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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#261 » by Jcool0 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 3:09 pm

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MrSparkle wrote:You don’t need to look far for a solid serviceable C. Almost every draft has a solid starting big in the 10-30 range. The MLE can get you a pre Knicks Hartenstein. Bit more cap gets you a post Knick Hartenstein. Hell , a 2nd rounder got us Gafford.

However, AK put all his eggs into the Vuc basket… on path to sending an 11th pick to SAS for no palatable reason. Traded all his 2nds. Capped out until he dumps Zach… overpaid Pat… Hasn’t signed or traded for a low value steal. Look at how Orlando put together a Wendell, Mo Wagner and Goga rotation on the cheap. Their 3rd stringer routinely outplays Vuc at a fraction of cost.

Using a top-10 pick for a rim protector makes no sense, unless he can score buckets like Bam. This terrible FO needs to make a good move. So far their AI NBA2K engine is making gaffe after gaffe.

With Lonzo being more a feel-good rehab project (more importantly, expiring)… Coby and Ayo still being below average starters… Zach one foot out the door… we definitely need a star guard prospect. I’d gladly take a Harper, Egor or KJ if they’re the bpa. Of course we might be looking at Spurs’ draft choice, because of this FO’s stupid management.


Yep. This draft has some solid C prospects into the 2nd round. No way I’m taking one top 20. That includes Malauch. Queen has no rim protection but he’s a really fun prospect looking like Jokic on offense.

Bulls need a lead guard that can be the engine for the offense. Buz seems to have 2nd option game ala Franz.

I think there is a lot of talent in this draft that could best outcome ceiling out to it. Harper, KJ, Demin, Saraf, and even Riley and Ace if they grow into their bodies and fully develop their dribble game. I think Flagg could even be that guy if given a strong traditional PG.


How is he like Jokic? He doesn't get any assists or take many threes?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#262 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:26 pm

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FWIW Tim Duncan averaged 9.8 ppg & 9.6 rebounds as a freshman & LeBron averaged 20 ppg om 41% (29% from 3) shooting & his only year of a under 20 PER as a NBA rookie. Flagg is currently at 16 points, 9 rebounds and almost 4 assists and doesn't turn 18 for 6 more days. Last guys in college to truly dominate from day one as a freshman was Zion & I don't know to many others that weren't 75% potential/upside guys.


By implication you’re flattening non-Zion freshmen into a “did not dominate” class of prospects that has Flagg on even footing with a guy like KAT, who was a substantially better freshman. Efficiency matters. Flagg’s .505 TS% is on an island historically for #1 picks. While it’s early days, and as you’ve mentioned Flagg’s young - only 5 weeks younger than freshman Banchero it should be noted - his weaknesses are being overly caveated.


How exactly do you come to that conclusion?


The usual way. Eye test + advanced stats (and I mean pretty much all of the them).
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#263 » by Chi town » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:41 pm

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MrSparkle wrote:You don’t need to look far for a solid serviceable C. Almost every draft has a solid starting big in the 10-30 range. The MLE can get you a pre Knicks Hartenstein. Bit more cap gets you a post Knick Hartenstein. Hell , a 2nd rounder got us Gafford.

However, AK put all his eggs into the Vuc basket… on path to sending an 11th pick to SAS for no palatable reason. Traded all his 2nds. Capped out until he dumps Zach… overpaid Pat… Hasn’t signed or traded for a low value steal. Look at how Orlando put together a Wendell, Mo Wagner and Goga rotation on the cheap. Their 3rd stringer routinely outplays Vuc at a fraction of cost.

Using a top-10 pick for a rim protector makes no sense, unless he can score buckets like Bam. This terrible FO needs to make a good move. So far their AI NBA2K engine is making gaffe after gaffe.

With Lonzo being more a feel-good rehab project (more importantly, expiring)… Coby and Ayo still being below average starters… Zach one foot out the door… we definitely need a star guard prospect. I’d gladly take a Harper, Egor or KJ if they’re the bpa. Of course we might be looking at Spurs’ draft choice, because of this FO’s stupid management.


Yep. This draft has some solid C prospects into the 2nd round. No way I’m taking one top 20. That includes Malauch. Queen has no rim protection but he’s a really fun prospect looking like Jokic on offense.

Bulls need a lead guard that can be the engine for the offense. Buz seems to have 2nd option game ala Franz.

I think there is a lot of talent in this draft that could best outcome ceiling out to it. Harper, KJ, Demin, Saraf, and even Riley and Ace if they grow into their bodies and fully develop their dribble game. I think Flagg could even be that guy if given a strong traditional PG.


How is he like Jokic? He doesn't get any assists or take many threes?


Jokic didn’t shoot 3s at this age and stage either. Queen has a strong shot. Mechanics looks great. He’s an excellent passer. Just not being used as a hub yet. That should be how he is used.

He’s a tough player to gauge as he has no rim protection which is vital as a C. I probably wouldn’t draft him because of it. It’s so hard to build a modern team without good rim protection at C.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#264 » by Jcool0 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 5:45 pm

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By implication you’re flattening non-Zion freshmen into a “did not dominate” class of prospects that has Flagg on even footing with a guy like KAT, who was a substantially better freshman. Efficiency matters. Flagg’s .505 TS% is on an island historically for #1 picks. While it’s early days, and as you’ve mentioned Flagg’s young - only 5 weeks younger than freshman Banchero it should be noted - his weaknesses are being overly caveated.


How exactly do you come to that conclusion?


The usual way. Eye test + advanced stats (and I mean pretty much all of the them).


Advanced stats for a guy playing 21 minutes taking 6.6 shots aren't going to tell you much.
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Post#265 » by rosenthall » Mon Dec 16, 2024 6:18 pm

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Anthony Davis averaged 14.2/10.3/4.7 at Kentucky. KAT averaged 10.3/6.7/2.3 at Kentucky. Zion was 22.6/8.9/1.8 at Duke. Copper is currently 15.9/9/1.4. Maybe should of checked before making the statement.


I did check.

The following are the PER / BPM / Net Rating for each of these guys in their freshman year:

AD: 35 / 17.2 / +59
KAT: 31 / 14.3 / +48
Zion: 41 / 20.1 / +46
Flagg: 24 / 11.5 / +28

Those are the stats I was referring to.

Those 3 guys just clearly reached a higher level of statistical domination in college than Flagg has so far. They were all older than Flagg when they entered college, but I don't think you can just assume Flagg will be able to reach the level of influence they did with the passage of time since their production was absolutely elite.


In KATs first 20 games (Flaggs played 10) he had 7 where he had 10+ points and only one with more then 13. Guys going #1 are always going to have big skill that might show up in some advanced stat but that doesn't mean they were dominating teams. He had a 26 minute games in that stretch were he was 3-7 for 10 points, 9 rebounds and 4 TO. Maybe you find that dominating... I don't. FWIW at that point Jahlil Okafor was the #1 guy.


Well, it certainly looks like KAT was dominant in the minutes that he got, even if he had a few bad games. How else would you explain a 30+ PER and net rating of +48? That's a really high bar to clear. He was the most impactful player on a Kentucky team that was ranked #1 in the country and had 5 NBA players on it.

Overall, it's hard to look at the numbers and see how Flagg >> KAT right now. The season is still early so there's time for things to change, but he has to outperform the above mentioned guys before I put him in their tier.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#266 » by Jcool0 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 6:45 pm

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I did check.

The following are the PER / BPM / Net Rating for each of these guys in their freshman year:

AD: 35 / 17.2 / +59
KAT: 31 / 14.3 / +48
Zion: 41 / 20.1 / +46
Flagg: 24 / 11.5 / +28

Those are the stats I was referring to.

Those 3 guys just clearly reached a higher level of statistical domination in college than Flagg has so far. They were all older than Flagg when they entered college, but I don't think you can just assume Flagg will be able to reach the level of influence they did with the passage of time since their production was absolutely elite.


In KATs first 20 games (Flaggs played 10) he had 7 where he had 10+ points and only one with more then 13. Guys going #1 are always going to have big skill that might show up in some advanced stat but that doesn't mean they were dominating teams. He had a 26 minute games in that stretch were he was 3-7 for 10 points, 9 rebounds and 4 TO. Maybe you find that dominating... I don't. FWIW at that point Jahlil Okafor was the #1 guy.


Well, it certainly looks like KAT was dominant in the minutes that he got, even if he had a few bad games. How else would you explain a 30+ PER and net rating of +48? That's a really high bar to clear. He was the most impactful player on a Kentucky team that was ranked #1 in the country and had 5 NBA players on it.

Overall, it's hard to look at the numbers and see how Flagg >> KAT right now. The season is still early so there's time for things to change, but he has to outperform the above mentioned guys before I put him in their tier.


He ended up being the #1 pick so he didn't get that by paying off Minnesota. He did some really good things at Kentucky. The point was his stats were not dominate. You want to show me Zion's stats and go look he played at Duke and dominated and that's what i expect from Flagg. Great. You want to show me a 10/6 guy and claim he put up big time stats and then try and throw out no i was talking about net rating or PER or any other obscure stat to prove it. Well that's just nonsense.
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Post#267 » by Rose2Boozer » Mon Dec 16, 2024 6:50 pm

If the Raptors get the first pick, how do they not draft Dylan Harper?
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Post#268 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Mon Dec 16, 2024 7:07 pm

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How exactly do you come to that conclusion?


The usual way. Eye test + advanced stats (and I mean pretty much all of the them).


Advanced stats for a guy playing 21 minutes taking 6.6 shots aren't going to tell you much.


Over a 39 game season? Sure they will. Especially when every all-in stat available to the public says the same thing.

Granted, you could argue that Flagg’s sample is still small and noisy. The efficiency metrics aren’t out of step with what I’ve seen from him, however. His offense has a long way to go.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#269 » by Donkedave » Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:38 am

A few Prospect updates, not as highly rated yet! 17/12/24

Nick Martinelli SF 6' 7", 220 lbs Glenview, IL- Not on any boards
DA=22

GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
11 36.4 53.4 58.3 67.9 6.3 1.8 0.2 0.9 2.3 1.5 20.4

Austin Rapp PF Freshman 6' 10", 230 lbs Zero boards also
DA=19(just, will be 20 in august)

GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
10 31.6 41.9 38.5 88.9 6.6 2.5 1.0 0.5 2.2 2.7 12.7

Danny Wolf C 7' 0", 250 lbs - Junior 39 on draftnet, not on others
DA= 21

GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
10 27.9 55.7 29.6 65.4 9.9 3.5 1.6 1.2 1.5 3.8 12.3
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MIN FG FG% 3PT 3P% FT FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
33 6-11 54.5 0-2 0.0 2-3 66.7 9 9 0 0 3 3 14
28 6-9 66.7 0-2 0.0 1-2 50.0 14 1 1 0 2 4 13
31 7-11 63.6 2-4 50.0 4-4 100.0 7 5 5 3 3 1 20
29 8-12 66.7 4-5 80.0 0-2 0.0 14 3 1 2 0 3 20

Gabriel Pozzato F 6'7" Freshman Not on boards
DA=20

GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
10 32.7 49.1 32.2 62.2 3.8 1.0 0.5 1.8 2.9 2.1 15.4

Blake Harper SG 6-5 185lbs, Freshman not on boards
DA= 19

GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
11 32.7 45.3 35.7 79.7 6.7 3.2 0.0 1.2 2.6 1.7 16.5

Josh Harris SF/PF 6' 8", 210 lbs Freshman
DA= 19

GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
11 22.2 64.7 53.8 76.0 7.0 0.7 0.5 1.0 2.4 1.1 16.4
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

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Post#271 » by Chi town » Wed Dec 18, 2024 4:05 am

Flagg Buz Pat would be ridiculous on D.
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Post#272 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Thu Dec 19, 2024 4:01 am

Jeremiah Fears is putting on a show on ESPN2. This PG class is an embarrassment of riches.
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Post#273 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 19, 2024 4:33 am

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:Jeremiah Fears is putting on a show on ESPN2. This PG class is an embarrassment of riches.


Yep. He will go lottery. His body control and ability to draw fouls is crazy.
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Post#274 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 19, 2024 2:25 pm

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See alot of Tre Mann who has become a bucket himself. At 6’4 he has to be a PG. like how tough and physical he is at both ends. Plays with an edge.
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Post#276 » by Muzbar » Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:44 am

Maybe we should be checking out 2nd round options instead, because that first is going to be heading to San Antonio.

Bogoljub Marković seems like an AK kind of pick.
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Post#277 » by LateNight » Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:02 pm

Muzbar wrote:Bogoljub Marković seems like an AK kind of pick.


Why? Is he from Chicago?
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Post#278 » by Rose2Boozer » Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:06 pm

Muzbar wrote:Maybe we should be checking out 2nd round options instead, because that first is going to be heading to San Antonio.

Bogoljub Marković seems like an AK kind of pick.


He could be a late first round pick, but I would love to see Rasheer Fleming in a Bulls uniform.
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Post#279 » by drosestruts » Fri Dec 20, 2024 4:37 pm

Muzbar wrote:Maybe we should be checking out 2nd round options instead, because that first is going to be heading to San Antonio.

Bogoljub Marković seems like an AK kind of pick.


I was just thinking the same thing.

Draft nerds who are your second round darlings? Looking at some mock drafts some names that initially stand out to me as potentially intriguing are:

Tomislav Ivisic - big center playing down at UofI from Croatia - could bring some shot-blocking and floor spacing.


Bogoljub Marković - get our very own 2nd round Serbian big man?
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