Trade Derrick Rose

King_Supreme · Post #261 » by **King_Supreme** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:17 am

Really Bulls fans, really? I'm a Knicks fan, and I know I how it feels to suck, but you guys are being irrational. I understand Rose is not putting up numbers, but he's injured and there's other problems with the team. To say BJ is better than Rose is ridiculous, sure he has better numbers, but he has competent offensive players(Redd,Bogut)... unlike Rose. To trade Rose this early in the season is dumb, financial wise(marketing, hometown kid, etc) and on the court wise(say if you got a superstar, you guys would still be struggling, you need help, and one player can not get a million points a game). About the killer instinct, he has shown flashes of it, but most times he plays smart instead of taking a million shots in the game(and if he did do that, ya'll still be bitchin). This post has been quite long, so I'll wrap it up, the grass is always greener on the other side.... appreciate what you have.

Post #262 » by **alucryts** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:24 am

King_Supreme wrote:Really Bulls fans, really? I'm a Knicks fan, and I know I how it feels to suck, but you guys are being irrational. I understand Rose is not putting up numbers, but he's injured and there's other problems with the team. To say BJ is better than Rose is ridiculous, sure he has better numbers, but he has competent offensive players(Redd,Bogut)... unlike Rose. To trade Rose this early in the season is dumb, financial wise(marketing, hometown kid, etc) and on the court wise(say if you got a superstar, you guys would still be struggling, you need help, and one player can not get a million points a game). About the killer instinct, he has shown flashes of it, but most times he plays smart instead of taking a million shots in the game(and if he did do that, ya'll still be bitchin). This post has been quite long, so I'll wrap it up, the grass is always greener on the other side.... appreciate what you have.

thank you

Hold That · Post #263 » by **Hold That** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 12:19 pm

King_Supreme wrote:Really Bulls fans, really? I'm a Knicks fan, and I know I how it feels to suck, but you guys are being irrational. I understand Rose is not putting up numbers, but he's injured and there's other problems with the team. To say BJ is better than Rose is ridiculous, sure he has better numbers, but he has competent offensive players(Redd,Bogut)... unlike Rose. To trade Rose this early in the season is dumb, financial wise(marketing, hometown kid, etc) and on the court wise(say if you got a superstar, you guys would still be struggling, you need help, and one player can not get a million points a game). About the killer instinct, he has shown flashes of it, but most times he plays smart instead of taking a million shots in the game(and if he did do that, ya'll still be bitchin). This post has been quite long, so I'll wrap it up, the grass is always greener on the other side.... appreciate what you have.

Yeah this thread is really an embarassment, alot of people around here just don't have a clue and think superstars are made overnight. He's still a 20 year old kid who's still putting up solid numbers(not the numbers we predicted), but solid nevertheless, with a coaching staff who has a history of not developing players. Yet people want to trade him before we hire a coach with experience. Some people are being rational when mentioning his weaknesses, but to say someone will never be a superstar, or you don't see a superstar when you watch D.Rose, then you really don't know what talent looks like.

I see a superstar, but I also see a player who doesn't realise how good he is or could become.

Doofer · Post #264 » by **Doofer** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 12:32 pm

You guys that want to trade Rose are friging crazy...

imcswipe · Post #265 » by **imcswipe** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:16 pm

Yeah 27/10/7 are average numbers. Rose sucks lets trade him! Hes not scoring 25pts a game like hes suppose to! Hes been in the NBA for 1 and half years already....thats more than enough time for him to grow into superstar.lol Wow you guys crack me up. If you want some overnight growth go buy a damn chia-pet! Rose is a stud and he will continue to get better. Anyone with actual B Ball knowledge knows this kid has major talent.....

Flite · Post #266 » by **Flite** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:25 pm

This thread disgusts me.

It never ever makes sense to trade your best player when the team begins to struggle (unless it's an aging ballhog who is the root of the problem), and even if in some parallel universe it does make sense to trade your 21 year old star who is fresh of a ROY campaign, you DON'T do it when he is struggling!

Not only does it never make sense to trade any player when their value is rock bottom, but it makes even less sense when he is not only your best player, but also highly likely to bounce back very quickly, especially due to age.

Ok so yeah, Derrick has struggled. He still put up 16/3/5 last month and is currently posting 17/3/7 in December.

Our problem is not Derrick Rose, and it never will be.

Post #267 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:27 pm

Honestly, knowing how fickle and baby-ish this board is, I d bet we would have seen trade Jordan threads when Jordan went down in his second season.

Jordan is too selfish!
You cant win with a guy that scores alot of points!
The rest of the team around Jordan sucks,so we should trade him to get more players!

I mean really..some of you need to stop.

Tri_N · Post #268 » by **Tri_N** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 2:20 pm

Honestly, I dont even bother reading posts from fans who want to trade Rose, while defending scrubs like Hinrich, Deng, and this current management.

If I am a gambler, I will wager that these fans are the same people who think that the Bulls is better without Ben Gordon. Now, we know who is right in that argument.

WadeKnicks2010 · Post #269 » by **WadeKnicks2010** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:54 pm

BULLSFAN_1 wrote:
WadeKnicks2010 wrote:Knicks give you David Lee
Bulls give Knicks Derrick Rose + Tyrus Thomas?

How about Rose+Noah+Thomas for Curry+Jeffries?

Done. Make the call Paxson.

whysoserious · Post #270 » by **whysoserious** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:57 pm

From a Toronto perspective I'd rather pair up Rose with Bosh here but I doubt you guys would want any of the other pieces. If there's an indication that Bosh wants out then a Bosh for Rose/Noah might be a starting point for Toronto. Not that I want to give up Bosh, I still want him to sign in Toronto.

nitetrain8603 · Post #271 » by **nitetrain8603** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:18 am

I won't speak on the other posters who do want Rose gone. For myself, the reason why I don't like Rose as a 1st, 2nd or maybe even 3rd option, a leader, or a player is because he's frustrating to watch. Much more frustrating than Tyrus Thomas. I have stated why I want him gone, and little of it has to do with his production, but more to do with the way he plays the game, his personality, his BBall IQ, etc.

I've said it since he was drafted. I suggest some people stop insulting those who want the hometown kid gone before we pay him a trillion dollars to be the face of the franchise in which he doesn't have the goods to do that. I rather get ballplayers.

j-smooth · Post #272 » by **j-smooth** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:21 am

nitetrain8603 wrote:I won't speak on the other posters who do want Rose gone. For myself, the reason why I don't like Rose as a 1st, 2nd or maybe even 3rd option, a leader, or a player is because he's frustrating to watch. Much more frustrating than Tyrus Thomas. I have stated why I want him gone, and little of it has to do with his production, but more to do with the way he plays the game, his personality, his BBall IQ, etc.

I've said it since he was drafted. I suggest some people stop insulting those who want the hometown kid gone before we pay him a trillion dollars to be the face of the franchise in which he doesn't have the goods to do that. I rather get ballplayers.

You make a great point. There will be fans that cant accept anyone with an opinion other than "Rose is the best". I believe and am fully confident that Derrick Rose will be a superstar. He is just too good not to be.

We can see it in the past 2 games. After 2 very disappointing games (Raps Cavs) where he didnt play the last 15 minutes of the game, he has come out aggressive and looking to attack the past 2 games. When he is in attack mode it opens up the floor. Not only has he scored more often, but he his getting assists because of his aggression. This i am sure he has seen (since he is a video junky.) I understand your frustration but players like Rose dont grow on trees everyday and we shouldn't trade him. He still needs time to grow.

Look at the superstars in the league. Wade, Lebron, CP3, Dwight, D-Will they are all players still with the team that drafted them. You dont trade superstars (unless you have GM's that have friends that are GMs and you do each other favors cough cough McHale). Let the Kid play. It is too early to talk about trading him after 20 games. With a player like Rose you wait at least 3 years to make judgments.

Rose has that killer in him and we see it come out when the Bulls are down. More recently though we have seen "SEXY" (the old Rose) back. In the last 2 games, Rose has come out in attack mode and its very refreshing to see.

What do you think of Rose's last 2 games?

nitetrain8603 · Post #273 » by **nitetrain8603** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:36 am

j-smooth wrote:
nitetrain8603 wrote:I won't speak on the other posters who do want Rose gone. For myself, the reason why I don't like Rose as a 1st, 2nd or maybe even 3rd option, a leader, or a player is because he's frustrating to watch. Much more frustrating than Tyrus Thomas. I have stated why I want him gone, and little of it has to do with his production, but more to do with the way he plays the game, his personality, his BBall IQ, etc.

I've said it since he was drafted. I suggest some people stop insulting those who want the hometown kid gone before we pay him a trillion dollars to be the face of the franchise in which he doesn't have the goods to do that. I rather get ballplayers.

You make a great point. There will be fans that cant accept anyone with an opinion other than "Rose is the best". I believe and am fully confident that Derrick Rose will be a superstar. He is just too good not to be.

We can see it in the past 2 games. After 2 very disappointing games (Raps Cavs) where he didnt play the last 15 minutes of the game, he has come out aggressive and looking to attack the past 2 games. When he is in attack mode it opens up the floor. Not only has he scored more often, but he his getting assists because of his aggression. This i am sure he has seen (since he is a video junky.) I understand your frustration but players like Rose dont grow on trees everyday and we shouldn't trade him. He still needs time to grow.

Look at the superstars in the league. Wade, Lebron, CP3, Dwight, D-Will they are all players still with the team that drafted them. You dont trade superstars (unless you have GM's that have friends that are GMs and you do each other favors cough cough McHale). Let the Kid play. It is too early to talk about trading him after 20 games. With a player like Rose you wait at least 3 years to make judgments.

Rose has that killer in him and we see it come out when the Bulls are down. More recently though we have seen "SEXY" (the old Rose) back. In the last 2 games, Rose has come out in attack mode and its very refreshing to see.

What do you think of Rose's last 2 games?

I like it. It's a matter of Rose showing up for the whole season with me though. If he does, I feel more comfortable with him. I think Joe Johnson would fit better than Wade though unless the Bulls completely overhaul this roster.

Ajosu · Post #274 » by **Ajosu** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:05 am

I've been thinking about this for a while, and I've made up my mind. I do not want to trade Rose, unless it is for a young perennial All-Star. I've been very frustrated with Rose at times, especially his timidness and how unwilling he seems to be a #1 option. However, I believe that with a good team around him, Rose will flourish. I know we have said that about many players, but it's not like Rose hasn't shown the ability to dominate. I just think that he shouldn't be depended on to do so night in and night out. But I'm here to say that I think Rose can be a perennial All-Star, and be a dominant force if we put the right pieces around him.

anorexorcism · Post #275 » by **anorexorcism** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:09 am

I think Rose is finally coming around. The sluggishness/slump/injury is fading away.

Unfortunately, the rest of his teammates are going away at about the same time.

fisher · Post #276 » by **fisher** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:13 am

whysoserious wrote:From a Toronto perspective I'd rather pair up Rose with Bosh here but I doubt you guys would want any of the other pieces. If there's an indication that Bosh wants out then a Bosh for Rose/Noah might be a starting point for Toronto. Not that I want to give up Bosh, I still want him to sign in Toronto.

If Bosh wants out of Toronto and would be dead set on playing in Chicago, there's no way they'd be getting Rose/Noah in return, much less that being a starting point. All Stars leaving their former teams via S&Ts never get equal return because the franchise they're leaving has no leverage.

Post #277 » by **Rerisen** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:13 am

One thing Derrick is having problems with this year is turnovers. Part of it may be trying to be more aggressive. Part of it may be the stiffer defenses and lack of spacing, etc. Such that when people say things about "better ball movement" they don't realize that each extra pass made within a bad offense is a chance for the defense to get a steal, for it to go over someone's head or out of bounds. And those things are happening more this year.

Hinrich's turnovers are up as well. This is what a offense that struggles to score will produce.

j-smooth · Post #278 » by **j-smooth** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:13 am

nitetrain8603 wrote:
j-smooth wrote:
nitetrain8603 wrote:I won't speak on the other posters who do want Rose gone. For myself, the reason why I don't like Rose as a 1st, 2nd or maybe even 3rd option, a leader, or a player is because he's frustrating to watch. Much more frustrating than Tyrus Thomas. I have stated why I want him gone, and little of it has to do with his production, but more to do with the way he plays the game, his personality, his BBall IQ, etc.

I've said it since he was drafted. I suggest some people stop insulting those who want the hometown kid gone before we pay him a trillion dollars to be the face of the franchise in which he doesn't have the goods to do that. I rather get ballplayers.

You make a great point. There will be fans that cant accept anyone with an opinion other than "Rose is the best". I believe and am fully confident that Derrick Rose will be a superstar. He is just too good not to be.

We can see it in the past 2 games. After 2 very disappointing games (Raps Cavs) where he didnt play the last 15 minutes of the game, he has come out aggressive and looking to attack the past 2 games. When he is in attack mode it opens up the floor. Not only has he scored more often, but he his getting assists because of his aggression. This i am sure he has seen (since he is a video junky.) I understand your frustration but players like Rose dont grow on trees everyday and we shouldn't trade him. He still needs time to grow.

Look at the superstars in the league. Wade, Lebron, CP3, Dwight, D-Will they are all players still with the team that drafted them. You dont trade superstars (unless you have GM's that have friends that are GMs and you do each other favors cough cough McHale). Let the Kid play. It is too early to talk about trading him after 20 games. With a player like Rose you wait at least 3 years to make judgments.

Rose has that killer in him and we see it come out when the Bulls are down. More recently though we have seen "SEXY" (the old Rose) back. In the last 2 games, Rose has come out in attack mode and its very refreshing to see.

What do you think of Rose's last 2 games?

I like it. It's a matter of Rose showing up for the whole season with me though. If he does, I feel more comfortable with him. I think Joe Johnson would fit better than Wade though unless the Bulls completely overhaul this roster.

I believe he will continue his play. He can only get better. Honestly this losing has brought out the best in Rose. The Boston and Lakers games coming up at home will be the measuring stick to see where Rose's head is at. If he puts 20+pts and 7+ast he gets "IT".

Ajosu · Post #279 » by **Ajosu** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:46 am

j-smooth wrote:I believe he will continue his play. He can only get better. Honestly this losing has brought out the best in Rose. The Boston and Lakers games coming up at home will be the measuring stick to see where Rose's head is at. If he puts 20+pts and 7+ast he gets "IT".

As much as I wish you were right, I don't think we can draw any conclusions about Rose's development until after this season. Long ways to go.

fisher · Post #280 » by **fisher** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:21 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:Honestly, knowing how fickle and baby-ish this board is, I d bet we would have seen trade Jordan threads when Jordan went down in his second season.

Jordan is too selfish!
You cant win with a guy that scores alot of points!
The rest of the team around Jordan sucks,so we should trade him to get more players!

I mean really..some of you need to stop.

This topic is as good of a proof as any about why it's such a good thing franchises' front offices don't listen to fans when it comes to personel moves. Otherwise the team would turn into the 2005 Knicks: highest payroll team with tons of putrid, overpaid role players on long term contracts and no tradeable assets to get out from underneath the mess for at least the next five years.