Rumors: Bobcats, Bulls, Kings three-team discussions

[KwaZulu]

Booz traded for crap? He had 19 and 20 against the Celtics tonight!

[Jimmy Forums]

Boozer has looked very impressive recently. Short of a 3-point shot, he's Kevin Love. Hopefully this will carry over once Derrick returns.

[aaqubed]

I don't think anyone is saying not to "take a shot" now.

But Jason Thompson is NOT "taking a shot". He's a mediocre 4th big who will not really push this team over the top. He's not worth the downgrade from the Bobcats' pick to the Blazers' pick.

If, instead, we get Tyreke Evans or Marcus Thornton (instead of Thompson), then sure, I'd "take a shot" on one of those guys (along with the Blazers' pick, hoping they stay in the playoff picture so that we get a mid-first rounder this year). But I don't see Sacramento trading those guys without getting a lot more in return.

That's why we have to get JThomp AND Bobcats unpro 1st (not the Blazers Pick). That first can turn into Shabazz or McLemore, and they're dif makers. Plus with JT, Boozer becomes extremly expendable.

We don't want Tyreke. He's a RFA, will get paid, and leave after a year and then we just lost our lolcats pick. As for Thornton, he'd interest me, but I don't SAC does this trade period.

The Bobcats want their pick back, which is pretty much the exact opposite of getting rid of the protections on it.

[bearadonisdna]

Jason Thompson is a good player. Who can play Center. Considering the Bulls are looking for a 4th big man, they wont do better than Thompson.

Plus they can get Jeffery Taylor, it is worth it.

[bearadonisdna]

And quite Honestly, Thompson is good enough that Taj could be considered the 4th big.

Jeff Taylor is athletic, can shoot the 3 and is a tough defender. Jimmer is a non option if Taylor is on the table in my opinion.


There is no way the Bulls will get better value for this pick. Only because Char was the original owner of the pick.

Does Rip have to be part of the deal cuz if not there is no downside.

[Hotstove907]

Could someone fill me in on Jeffery Taylor. Just doesnt ring a bell.

[Nate3carp]

Could someone fill me in on Jeffery Taylor. Just doesnt ring a bell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffery_Taylor

Athletic 6'7" rookie out of Vanderbilt. Good defense decent shooter.

[jStuNNa]

I'm shocked people are considering this. Thompson, Jimmer and Taylor? Those guys don't help this team. Players like Mozgov should be the target.

[Nate3carp]

I'm shocked people are considering this. Thompson, Jimmer and Taylor? Those guys don't help this team. Players like Mozgov should be the target.

The main idea is the draft pick, not the players we would get in the trade. And Mozgov isn't better than Thompson anyway IMO.

[bearadonisdna]

It is true Thompson is better than Mozgov. Thompson is a starting caliber player and Mozgov is just a step above getting DNPs.

[Carl25]

It is true Thompson is better than Mozgov. Thompson is a starting caliber player and Mozgov is just a step above getting DNPs.

To be fair, Mozgov would get more playing time on just about any other team in the league other than Utah.

[jStuNNa]

I'm shocked people are considering this. Thompson, Jimmer and Taylor? Those guys don't help this team. Players like Mozgov should be the target.

The main idea is the draft pick, not the players we would get in the trade. And Mozgov isn't better than Thompson anyway IMO.

Yeah, but the Bulls already have a Bobcats pick without having to give up anything.

And regardless of the current stats, I doubt there's a GM in the league who would be more excited about acquiring Thompson over Mosgov. Everyone knows Mosgov is buried on the Denver roster and the potential he has to be a really solid, athletic, center.

[Nate3carp]

I'm shocked people are considering this. Thompson, Jimmer and Taylor? Those guys don't help this team. Players like Mozgov should be the target.

The main idea is the draft pick, not the players we would get in the trade. And Mozgov isn't better than Thompson anyway IMO.

Yeah, but the Bulls already have a Bobcats pick without having to give up anything.

And regardless of the current stats, I doubt there's a GM in the league who would be more excited about acquiring Thompson over Mosgov. Everyone knows Mosgov is buried on the Denver roster and the potential he has to be a really solid, athletic, center.

Agree to disagree on Mozgov/Thompson. I'll give you that he's cheaper and expiring (although I think restricted so he'll cost as much going forward if you want to keep him).

However, the Bulls are not giving up anything more than they would have to to get Mozgov (Rip/Nazr). They are just "cashing" in the pick earlier than 2016, and they are doing it because it is guaranteed to be a high pick this year. And although it could be just as high in 2016, it also may not be, and the 2016 draft class is unknown compared to this class (which might be a good thing, but still unknown). I've watched plenty of college ball this year and if we could make the proposed trade AND have a relatively good change of picking McElmore or Muhammed, I think it is really unlikely to get that good of a prospect (and at a position of need) in 2016.

The way I look at it the Bulls are playing the stock market with the Bobcats pick. You bought low (price of Tyrus Thomas) and you want to sell high. The Bobcats might be the worst team in the league right now, so its not super likely that the pick will ever be higher than now. Sell high.

(Still would be very surprised to actually see CHA trade such a high pick, but crazier things have happened. Fun to speculate on).

[coldfish]

I would be shocked if the Bulls gave up the Charlotte pick for what would amount to a short term bench big man.

If the team is going to make trades, I would hope that they would use the Charlotte pick for upgrades of the starters to get a player they anticipate being a contributor for several years. Based on what I have read, the Bulls are thinking the same thing.

My completely unsupported position is that Charlotte brought it up, Chicago said "sure, if you make it worth our while" and Charlotte has been unable to do so.

Last comment: I suspect this type of discussion happens virtually every day in the NBA between virtually every team. When a rumor leaks out, it is likely true but misleading in that it doesn't portray how unlikely such deals are to get from concept to fruition.

[Simpleton]

As long as we get the Bobcats unprotected 2013 pick I don't really care what else we'd be getting back in the deal, within reason of course.

Now with Wall back and the Wizards playing much better I think the Bobcats are a 100% lock to end up with one of the two worst records in the league, and the odds on favorite to have the worst record. Of course that would give us a 25% chance at number 1 and the number 4 in a worst case scenario.

I'd give up the future pick for a strong shot at McLemore or Muhammad, with the worst case scenario probably being Noel, Bennett or Zeller.

I have a very hard time believing the Bobcats would give up what is basically a guaranteed top 5 pick just to get their future pick back though.

[xpmar9x]

As long as we get the Bobcats unprotected 2013 pick I don't really care what else we'd be getting back in the deal, within reason of course.

Now with Wall back and the Wizards playing much better I think the Bobcats are a 100% lock to end up with one of the two worst records in the league, and the odds on favorite to have the worst record. Of course that would give us a 25% chance at number 1 and the number 4 in a worst case scenario.

I'd give up the future pick for a strong shot at McLemore or Muhammad, with the worst case scenario probably being Noel, Bennett or Zeller.

I have a very hard time believing the Bobcats would give up what is basically a guaranteed top 5 pick just to get their future pick back though.

I'm on the same boat. If we could get a top5 this yr for lolcats future pick we have to do it. If we could land Biyombo, Thompson, Jimmer or whomever that's icing on the cake.

Shabazz or McLemore can be our future star next to Rose.

[TheBigSqueeze]

As long as we get the Bobcats unprotected 2013 pick I don't really care what else we'd be getting back in the deal, within reason of course.

Now with Wall back and the Wizards playing much better I think the Bobcats are a 100% lock to end up with one of the two worst records in the league, and the odds on favorite to have the worst record. Of course that would give us a 25% chance at number 1 and the number 4 in a worst case scenario.

I'd give up the future pick for a strong shot at McLemore or Muhammad, with the worst case scenario probably being Noel, Bennett or Zeller.

I have a very hard time believing the Bobcats would give up what is basically a guaranteed top 5 pick just to get their future pick back though.

I'm on the same boat. If we could get a top5 this yr for lolcats future pick we have to do it. If we could land Biyombo, Thompson, Jimmer or whomever that's icing on the cake.

Shabazz or McLemore can be our future star next to Rose.

What I don't understand is, why are the King's even involved? Why can't the Bobcats just give us their pick this year & Biyombo for Rip and their pick back. I think it's because the pick their offering is the POR pick which in that case isn't even worth it.

[Jahensle]

As long as we get the Bobcats unprotected 2013 pick I don't really care what else we'd be getting back in the deal, within reason of course.

Now with Wall back and the Wizards playing much better I think the Bobcats are a 100% lock to end up with one of the two worst records in the league, and the odds on favorite to have the worst record. Of course that would give us a 25% chance at number 1 and the number 4 in a worst case scenario.

I'd give up the future pick for a strong shot at McLemore or Muhammad, with the worst case scenario probably being Noel, Bennett or Zeller.

I have a very hard time believing the Bobcats would give up what is basically a guaranteed top 5 pick just to get their future pick back though.

I'm on the same boat. If we could get a top5 this yr for lolcats future pick we have to do it. If we could land Biyombo, Thompson, Jimmer or whomever that's icing on the cake.

Shabazz or McLemore can be our future star next to Rose.

What I don't understand is, why are the King's even involved? Why can't the Bobcats just give us their pick this year & Biyombo for Rip and their pick back. I think it's because the pick their offering is the POR pick which in that case isn't even worth it.

seems logical to me, hopefully you're wrong though mid first in this draft is nothing to thrilling.

[TheBigSqueeze]

I'd definitely do the deal if it was the Cats 2013 pick though. It would allow us to fill pretty much every remaining hole. We'd finally get our future star two guard to pair with Rose (Mclemore, Shabazz, Goodwin) with their pick and with our pick get a cheap back up big (Dieng, Withey) to replace Asik.

I'd even try to entice the Cats by giving them one of Teague or Jimmy. Hell I'd sell my soul to get Mclemore on this team...

[aaqubed]

As long as we get the Bobcats unprotected 2013 pick I don't really care what else we'd be getting back in the deal, within reason of course.

Now with Wall back and the Wizards playing much better I think the Bobcats are a 100% lock to end up with one of the two worst records in the league, and the odds on favorite to have the worst record. Of course that would give us a 25% chance at number 1 and the number 4 in a worst case scenario.

I'd give up the future pick for a strong shot at McLemore or Muhammad, with the worst case scenario probably being Noel, Bennett or Zeller.

I have a very hard time believing the Bobcats would give up what is basically a guaranteed top 5 pick just to get their future pick back though.

I'm on the same boat. If we could get a top5 this yr for lolcats future pick we have to do it. If we could land Biyombo, Thompson, Jimmer or whomever that's icing on the cake.

Shabazz or McLemore can be our future star next to Rose.

What I don't understand is, why are the King's even involved? Why can't the Bobcats just give us their pick this year & Biyombo for Rip and their pick back. I think it's because the pick their offering is the POR pick which in that case isn't even worth it.

Why would Charlotte offer their pick this year, unprotected, for their own pick back? Their pick this year is worth much, much more than that same pick with a bunch of protections on it.

They obviously just want their pick back, so they're interested in giving us Portland's (or maybe Detroit's) pick instead.