Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Deng for Shved/Williams/Barrea ?

[otwok]

I don't think the Bulls will make trades till after Christmas. They'll see how the team reacts the next few weeks. This team doesn't move in haste, they'll wait. It's going to be a long season. It'll be worse after the trade deadline.

[PistolP]

I don't think we should (or GarPax would) trade Deng just for the sake of getting rid of him to get worse. We should at least get some sort of good pick, player or prospect. Was brainstorming some potential landing spots:

Sacramento: can't trade thier 1st for a couple years out due to pick owed to Cleveland with protections. Nothing else on thier roster interesting besides Cousins/McLemore, which won't happen

Detroit: I'd be interested in KCP or Monroe. They have a protected 1st owed to Charlotte, so can't trade thier pick any time soon. Monroe/Charlie V for Deng would be nice and open up trade possibilities for Noah, but too much to ask

Atlanta: Owns right to swap 1st with Brooklyn, which may wind up being a very good pick. Matching salaries would be tough though. Only deals >$5m on their team are Horford, Millsap, Teague, Korver and Lou Williams.

Cleveland: They have protected 1sts from Sacramento and Memphis as well as their own. Also have Waiters and Bennett.

New Orleans: Swap for Eric Gordon or Tyreke Evans. They owe their first to Philly.

Rockets: could use him and Parsons as combo forwards next to Howard. Asik would be the target. They also own all their 1sts

Bucks: not that this makes sense, but their moves tend not to make sense. They have Caron Butler and Ridnour expiring and own all their 1sts. Could also revist the OJ Mayo idea.

Minnesota: owe a protected pick to PHX so will be tough to trade. Have decent prospects in Williams, Shved, Dieng and Shabazz

Dallas: owes their protected 1st to OKC, so will be tough to trade theirs for a while. Not much else of interest on roster, just Larkin, Ledo and Crowder

[RoseTheFuture22]

Luol to Sacramento makes so much sense, they need veteran leadership there and Mike Malone is a defensive minded coach I believe. They don't need anymore young players, they've been loading up for years. If we can swing Deng for Jimmer, Thornton and Outlaw plus a first in 2015 I would take it in a heartbeat.

[IcemanGervin]

Deng for Shved/Williams/Barrea ?

Zach Lowe said that leaves us with more long term money on the books

[League Circles]

I don't want to trade Deng for anything short of a guaranteed lottery pick in this years draft, which is probably impossible because any team dealing would either be good enough to maybe be in the playoffs, or bad enough to protect the pick to the point where we might not get the pick this year. OR, I'd deal his for a good young player with upside. There might be a couple of those around. MAYBE. Otherwise I want to basically keep him. I don't think we have enough talent or enough potential to lure better free agents in the short term to lose him for nothing or for little.

I'd much rather trade Noah or Taj for a good young cheaper player and resign Deng than lose him for nothing. Noah's scoring, rebounding, efficiency and health have been on a general downward trend for some time here. It sucks but it's something we need to consider.

[AAU Teammate]

I don't think we should (or GarPax would) trade Deng just for the sake of getting rid of him to get worse. We should at least get some sort of good pick, player or prospect. Was brainstorming some potential landing spots:

Sacramento: can't trade thier 1st for a couple years out due to pick owed to Cleveland with protections. Nothing else on thier roster interesting besides Cousins/McLemore, which won't happen

Detroit: I'd be interested in KCP or Monroe. They have a protected 1st owed to Charlotte, so can't trade thier pick any time soon. Monroe/Charlie V for Deng would be nice and open up trade possibilities for Noah, but too much to ask

Atlanta: Owns right to swap 1st with Brooklyn, which may wind up being a very good pick. Matching salaries would be tough though. Only deals >$5m on their team are Horford, Millsap, Teague, Korver and Lou Williams.

Cleveland: They have protected 1sts from Sacramento and Memphis as well as their own. Also have Waiters and Bennett.

New Orleans: Swap for Eric Gordon or Tyreke Evans. They owe their first to Philly.

Rockets: could use him and Parsons as combo forwards next to Howard. Asik would be the target. They also own all their 1sts

Bucks: not that this makes sense, but their moves tend not to make sense. They have Caron Butler and Ridnour expiring and own all their 1sts. Could also revist the OJ Mayo idea.

Minnesota: owe a protected pick to PHX so will be tough to trade. Have decent prospects in Williams, Shved, Dieng and Shabazz

Dallas: owes their protected 1st to OKC, so will be tough to trade theirs for a while. Not much else of interest on roster, just Larkin, Ledo and Crowder

Your expectations may be a little high. Aside from the last four. Dallas aside those last ones can work in some way

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Deng for Shved/Williams/Barrea ?

Zach Lowe said that leaves us with more long term money on the books

Unfortunately I don't think any Deng deal will be very favorable towards us. Something like this might be the best we could do.

Breaking up Deng's money for smaller deals/depth might be as good as it gets.

[Ralphb07]

I don't want to trade Deng for anything short of a guaranteed lottery pick in this years draft, which is probably impossible because any team dealing would either be good enough to maybe be in the playoffs, or bad enough to protect the pick to the point where we might not get the pick this year. OR, I'd deal his for a good young player with upside. There might be a couple of those around. MAYBE. Otherwise I want to basically keep him. I don't think we have enough talent or enough potential to lure better free agents in the short term to lose him for nothing or for little.

I'd much rather trade Noah or Taj for a good young cheaper player and resign Deng than lose him for nothing. Noah's scoring, rebounding, efficiency and health have been on a general downward trend for some time here. It sucks but it's something we need to consider.

You are grossly overvaluing a guy who will be gone in 5 months. Deng has 0% chance of returning next year. We either trade him for a protected 1st or we keep him which improves the Bulls win total and walks for nothing.

It's quite simple if you ask me, we need to dump any player that has no long term future with us and get a lottery pick this year.

[Tenchi Ryu]

I don't want to trade Deng for anything short of a guaranteed lottery pick in this years draft, which is probably impossible because any team dealing would either be good enough to maybe be in the playoffs, or bad enough to protect the pick to the point where we might not get the pick this year. OR, I'd deal his for a good young player with upside. There might be a couple of those around. MAYBE. Otherwise I want to basically keep him. I don't think we have enough talent or enough potential to lure better free agents in the short term to lose him for nothing or for little.

I'd much rather trade Noah or Taj for a good young cheaper player and resign Deng than lose him for nothing. Noah's scoring, rebounding, efficiency and health have been on a general downward trend for some time here. It sucks but it's something we need to consider.

I'd give Deng and Snell for Affalo and Turk. We know that in ORLANDO, Oladipo is the future SG there, so Aaron is probably on the clock. Might as well give them a nice SF to compliment their future star guard. And we'll take Turk off their hands, and he can probably drop a 3 pointer or two in his only year here.

Rose
Affalo
Butler
Nikola
Noah

backup PG
backup SG
Turk
Murphy
backup C

I like that.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

I don't want to trade Deng for anything short of a guaranteed lottery pick in this years draft, which is probably impossible because any team dealing would either be good enough to maybe be in the playoffs, or bad enough to protect the pick to the point where we might not get the pick this year. OR, I'd deal his for a good young player with upside. There might be a couple of those around. MAYBE. Otherwise I want to basically keep him. I don't think we have enough talent or enough potential to lure better free agents in the short term to lose him for nothing or for little.

I'd much rather trade Noah or Taj for a good young cheaper player and resign Deng than lose him for nothing. Noah's scoring, rebounding, efficiency and health have been on a general downward trend for some time here. It sucks but it's something we need to consider.

You are grossly overvaluing a guy who will be gone in 5 months. Deng has 0% chance of returning next year. We either trade him for a protected 1st or we keep him which improves the Bulls win total and walks for nothing.

It's quite simple if you ask me, we need to dump any player that has no long term future with us and get a lottery pick this year.

Rose going down I would think is the nail in the "Deng staying" coffin.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

I don't want to trade Deng for anything short of a guaranteed lottery pick in this years draft, which is probably impossible because any team dealing would either be good enough to maybe be in the playoffs, or bad enough to protect the pick to the point where we might not get the pick this year. OR, I'd deal his for a good young player with upside. There might be a couple of those around. MAYBE. Otherwise I want to basically keep him. I don't think we have enough talent or enough potential to lure better free agents in the short term to lose him for nothing or for little.

I'd much rather trade Noah or Taj for a good young cheaper player and resign Deng than lose him for nothing. Noah's scoring, rebounding, efficiency and health have been on a general downward trend for some time here. It sucks but it's something we need to consider.

I'd give Deng and Snell for Affalo and Turk. We know that in ORLANDO, Oladipo is the future SG there, so Aaron is probably on the clock. Might as well give them a nice SF to compliment their future star guard. And we'll take Turk off their hands, and he can probably drop a 3 pointer or two in his only year here.

Rose
Affalo
Butler
Nikola
Noah

backup PG
backup SG
Turk
Murphy
backup C

I like that.

If the basic deal is Affalo for Deng then why wouldn't Orlando just keep Affalo? Especially with the way he has been playing and because he'll cost half as much.

[AAU Teammate]

Deng for Shved/Williams/Barrea ?

Zach Lowe said that leaves us with more long term money on the books

Unfortunately I don't think any Deng deal will be very favorable towards us. Something like this might be the best we could do.

Breaking up Deng's money for smaller deals/depth might be as good as it gets.

Derrick Williams actually was a 51% three point shooter in college, off 90 attempts. In '12-13 he showed some improvement in that realm. That may not be a lost cause. But he's a small ball four.

I like the idea of taking care of our bench with some longer term palatable deals. Makes more sense if we are moving Dunleavy out

[Tenchi Ryu]

If the basic deal is Affalo for Deng then why wouldn'y Orlando just keep Affalo? Especially with the way he has been playing and because he'll cost half as much.

The deal is getting Aaron and taking Turk off their hands. He's been playing well, but so has Deng. In fact, probably just as well overall. Why keep Aaron when we all know he's not the future, and replace him with a very good defender and better overall player in Deng.

[TankJob]

They can get way more for Afflalo than expiring Deng. They also wouldn't give the first round pick, not even close.

Bad proposal tbh.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

If the basic deal is Affalo for Deng then why wouldn'y Orlando just keep Affalo? Especially with the way he has been playing and because he'll cost half as much.

The deal is getting Aaron and taking Turk off their hands. He's been playing well, but so has Deng. In fact, probably just as well overall. Why keep Aaron when we all know he's not the future, and replace him with a very good defender and better overall player in Deng.

Deng is not playing as well as Affalo. Deng is not as young as Affalo. Deng is not as cheap as Affalo. Affalo is not a 5 month rental risk. Turk is an expiring deal anyways that money is coming off no matter what.

They'll move Affalo for a nice pick/young player. Or keep him. Either of which is better than trading for Deng.

[League Circles]

You are grossly overvaluing a guy who will be gone in 5 months. Deng has 0% chance of returning next year. We either trade him for a protected 1st or we keep him which improves the Bulls win total and walks for nothing.

It's quite simple if you ask me, we need to dump any player that has no long term future with us and get a lottery pick this year.

I'm just saying what I'd do. The Bulls being stubborn and stupid enough to not even consider scenarios where it might end up making sense to keep him doesn't change me wanting them to do something different.

I don't think we can afford a rebuild. I think it has to be a retool. And dumping Deng for a pick that very well might be a mid first rounder in 2015 (because maybe it ends up protected this year and we don't get it) greatly delays our success IMO and screws us IMO. We already have young assets in the pipeline in Mirotic and the Charlotte pick. I'm not interested in effectively losing two years of Deng (2014-15 and 2015-16) for a guy who won't contribute during that time in a positive way to winning most likely. Having three or four 20 year olds as part of our rotation is almost a sure fire way to not compete seriously for a title during Rose's contract IMO, which in turn is almost a surefire way to lose him at the end of that contract.

Now trading Deng for a guy already in the NBA and contributing is more what I want. It might not be a prospective star, but it could end up being a long term starter for us. I'd consider packaging Jimmy with him because I don't really wan to extend Jimmy right now. A deal I like is Deng and Jimmy for Ben Gordon and MKG or something like that.

[League Circles]

I'd give Deng and Snell for Affalo and Turk. We know that in ORLANDO, Oladipo is the future SG there, so Aaron is probably on the clock. Might as well give them a nice SF to compliment their future star guard. And we'll take Turk off their hands, and he can probably drop a 3 pointer or two in his only year here.

Rose
Affalo
Butler
Nikola
Noah

backup PG
backup SG
Turk
Murphy
backup C

I like that.

I can't even fathom why Orlando would consider that. Orlando is one of the few teams Deng would probably walk away from regardless of money. Afflalo is better than Oladipo and probably will be indefinitely. And Oladipo is hardly a future star IMO or someone to build around IMO.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

I'd give Deng and Snell for Affalo and Turk. We know that in ORLANDO, Oladipo is the future SG there, so Aaron is probably on the clock. Might as well give them a nice SF to compliment their future star guard. And we'll take Turk off their hands, and he can probably drop a 3 pointer or two in his only year here.

Rose
Affalo
Butler
Nikola
Noah

backup PG
backup SG
Turk
Murphy
backup C

I like that.

I can't even fathom why Orlando would consider that. Orlando is one of the few teams Deng would probably walk away from regardless of money. Afflalo is better than Oladipo and probably will be indefinitely. And Oladipo is hardly a future star IMO or someone to build around IMO.

Oladipo is going to be a stud.

[Ralphb07]

You are grossly overvaluing a guy who will be gone in 5 months. Deng has 0% chance of returning next year. We either trade him for a protected 1st or we keep him which improves the Bulls win total and walks for nothing.

It's quite simple if you ask me, we need to dump any player that has no long term future with us and get a lottery pick this year.

I'm just saying what I'd do. The Bulls being stubborn and stupid enough to not even consider scenarios where it might end up making sense to keep him doesn't change me wanting them to do something different.

I don't think we can afford a rebuild. I think it has to be a retool. And dumping Deng for a pick that very well might be a mid first rounder in 2015 (because maybe it ends up protected this year and we don't get it) greatly delays our success IMO and screws us IMO. We already have young assets in the pipeline in Mirotic and the Charlotte pick. I'm not interested in effectively losing two years of Deng (2014-15 and 2015-16) for a guy who won't contribute during that time in a positive way to winning most likely. Having three or four 20 year olds as part of our rotation is almost a sure fire way to not compete seriously for a title during Rose's contract IMO, which in turn is almost a surefire way to lose him at the end of that contract.

Now trading Deng for a guy already in the NBA and contributing is more what I want. It might not be a prospective star, but it could end up being a long term starter for us. I'd consider packaging Jimmy with him because I don't really wan to extend Jimmy right now. A deal I like is Deng and Jimmy for Ben Gordon and MKG or something like that.

The point to trade Deng is to make our own pick a lottery, who cares what the pick is Deng lands you. Nikola IMO looks like a good #2 guy, definitely a #3. You land an offensively gifted player this draft and with Rose, Nikola and that guy I don't see a total rebuild process and that team would be back to it's winning ways next year.