OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

[truth18]

"Cohen adds the plaintiff and the Chicago Bulls superstar were in a "non-exclusive, consensual sexual relationship for over two years" ... and there were never any complaints until lawyers started telling her to go after Rose for a payday. Cohen claims this is the third attorney the plaintiff hired to sue Rose."


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/27/derrick-rose-gang-rape-lawsuit-lawyer-responds/#ixzz3k20Kxe00

My take is looking more and more accurate. Lawyers will do anything for publicity and money as well but some of them actually value their rep as well. Usually the only lawyers who will try these cases are the ones as down on their luck as the accuser.

This is just a money grab pure and simple. As I said last night if this really happened she would have had a slam dunk case to sue Derrick for all he was worth right after it happened or if not right after, at least within a month or so after she had time to gather herself. 2 years later? 3rd attorney she's gone through trying to get this to go anywhere?

Just disgusting. Rape culture exists you guys can drop that whole red herring right now. Derrick Rose and this girl isn't an example of rape culture or anything. It's an example of greed and money making people do crazy ****.

Definitely starting to feel that way, but I got burned way too hard by Cosby to make a judgment call on anyone yet.

As I said before, its not that simple: rape affects everyone differently, some people never tell anyone, even if they could profit off it.

Can't help but think lawyers and the media are heavily influencing all of this, but I don't KNOW that, you know?

**** the media and lawyers though. They generally only cause harm imo.

[RondoToKG]

Worth discussing for sure.

The purported crime in this case is serious enough to follow this through to its entirety.

Really hoping that this is just someone wanting to be paid off quickly. I know that sounds misogynistic, but I really need to believe that Rose and his 20 Million are not going to jail.

Nope, that's not misogynistic that's just thinking rationally. Don't let the feminists confuse you.

Come on, man. That's not "thinking rationally", its thinking about a best case scenario for his Bulls should stuff go south/in general.

It might be misogynistic, but its unfortunately understandable that you feel that way. I just hope she is a bad person and lying because that would mean Rose is not a horrible person, and no one got raped.

Crossing my fingers for you guys. The lawyer stuff is promising imo, perhaps she's just throwing stuff at the wall, only thing I can go on right now, albeit I do not know a lot about law.

Don't let the fake feminists confuse you, but there are plenty of real ones doing great things. Bitches ain't nothing but beautiful people.

No, I know what he said and I know what I'm saying. Nothing he said there was unreasonable or could be misconstrued as negative thinking. I have no idea what you're talking about. I most definitely did not imply she was a liar, or doing anything wrong. Neither did he. He simply stated this is worth discussing, the case is serious and lets not jump to conclusions because things like women extorting rich men happen all the time. Only thing I should have rephrased was "unreasonable feminists" instead of just feminists. But I thought that would be understood considering it would be ridiculous to accuse all feminists who are attempting to stand up for womens rights of being pieces of crap.

[Ice Man]

Now we are talking about what normal means?

There is a lot in your post that is not related to what I wrote. I think you have me confused with somebody else. All I have said is that different posters here can have different views of normal, because we tend to define normal as being what we see, the kind of people we live about.

That does not seem very controversial.

[truth18]

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No, I know what he said and I know what I'm saying. Nothing he said there was unreasonable or could be misconstrued as negative thinking. I have no idea what you're talking about. I most definitely did not imply she was a liar, or doing anything wrong. Neither did he.

He simply stated this is worth discussing, the case is serious and lets not jump to conclusions because things like women extorting rich men happen all the time.

My fault R2KG, I think I just took issue with the feminist comment and didn't express that properly. I fully agree with you both. Sorry for any confusion.

Now we are talking about what normal means?

There is a lot in your post that is not related to what I wrote. I think you have me confused with somebody else. All I have said is that different posters here can have different views of normal, because we tend to define normal as being what we see, the kind of people we live about.

That does not seem very controversial.

Damn you Bulls mods and your lack of avatars!

Yeah I thought you were Fleet

[greenl]

The cool thing about our country is that NO ONE is above the law.

In theory- that is very true. In reality- not true at all. It's more than just high priced lawyers. We have a two tiered justice system. If you are rich and/or powerful- you are as close to above the law as the bad guy from Lethal Weapon 2.

http://www.amazon.com/Liberty-Justice-Some-Equality-Powerful-ebook/dp/B00603PI3U/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1440692436&sr=1-3&keywords=glenn+greenwald

Not to hijack- back to the 'discussion' about Rose and his accuser.

[RondoToKG]

No, I know what he said and I know what I'm saying. Nothing he said there was unreasonable or could be misconstrued as negative thinking. I have no idea what you're talking about. I most definitely did not imply she was a liar, or doing anything wrong. Neither did he.

He simply stated this is worth discussing, the case is serious and lets not jump to conclusions because things like women extorting rich men happen all the time.

My fault R2KG, I think I just took issue with the feminist comment and didn't express that properly. I fully agree with you both. Sorry for any confusion.

Now we are talking about what normal means?

There is a lot in your post that is not related to what I wrote. I think you have me confused with somebody else. All I have said is that different posters here can have different views of normal, because we tend to define normal as being what we see, the kind of people we live about.

That does not seem very controversial.

Damn you Bulls mods and your lack of avatars!

Yeah I thought you were Fleet

Yeah I love women.... **** sexy, amazing creatures man. I'm not the type of guy who just **** on all feminists, it may have come across that way because I can't stand a large majority of them. I very rarely encounter someone who is open about their feminism and is willing to discuss things rationally. But I totally get there are PLENTY of reasonable women doing things right. this just raises the case of the girl possibly taking advantage of Rose. It also raises the possibility Rose is a gigantic piece of crap.... which sucks to know.

[Ice Man]

Damn you Bulls mods and your lack of avatars!

Yeah I thought you were Fleet

Well I'm barely a moderator, only one week now -

[musiqsoulchild]

The cool thing about our country is that NO ONE is above the law.

In theory- that is very true. In reality- not true at all. It's more than just high priced lawyers. We have a two tiered justice system. If you are rich and/or powerful- you are as close to above the law as the bad guy from Lethal Weapon 2.

http://www.amazon.com/Liberty-Justice-Some-Equality-Powerful-ebook/dp/B00603PI3U/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1440692436&sr=1-3&keywords=glenn+greenwald

Not to hijack- back to the 'discussion' about Rose and his accuser.

I agree 100%.

There is definitely a lop-sidedness to justice when it comes to the richest of the rich here.

BUT, we are also the country that impeached Nixon and went after Clinton and Bush. That doesnt happen in any other country other than the US.

[AirP.]

If this is a false accusation, is this the "legal" way of blackmailing money from someone(going through the legal system first instead of to the person). As a high profile person, just the accusation will hurt the accused and with that, it may be worth a certain amount of money to make this go away quickly.

I don't think the truth has much to do with it at this point(it would be hard to prove) but it just has to take some sort of doubt of what may have really happened to really hurt Rose publicly(and maybe personally).

Basically:

Side chick and lawyer: Give us $3 million or we take this to TMZ tomorrow

#TeamReggie: lololol No. You get NOTHING.

If TeamReggie did that, that probably will be a big problem. Rose's future income may be affected if there's ANY doubt that he didn't do it(which there will be because it's her word vs his/theirs) since future and even current sponsors may not want to be linked to a possible(in some people's minds even if it's not true) rapist. This is why I think she went straight to court instead of talking money to Rose, a few million might be a great investment to make sure his brand doesn't take a hit, that and they can't go after her for blackmail if she never talked about compensation before going to court.

[mj234eva]

This is why I think she went straight to court instead of talking money to Rose

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[veji1]

Based on what I have read so far, my gut feeling is that Rose is innocent and this is a money grab. But let's wait how the process unfolds.

Even though Rose is innocent, the whole process sucks though and sadly it just doesn't give me a good image of Rose. His having a side chick while making his Gf pregnant... If one, how many ? etc etc etc.. it's a bit sad really, and doesn't make him look any smarter.

[League Circles]

If this is a false accusation, is this the "legal" way of blackmailing money from someone(going through the legal system first instead of to the person). As a high profile person, just the accusation will hurt the accused and with that, it may be worth a certain amount of money to make this go away quickly.

I don't think the truth has much to do with it at this point(it would be hard to prove) but it just has to take some sort of doubt of what may have really happened to really hurt Rose publicly(and maybe personally).

Basically:

Side chick and lawyer: Give us $3 million or we take this to TMZ tomorrow

#TeamReggie: lololol No. You get NOTHING.

If TeamReggie did that, that probably will be a big problem. Rose's future income may be affected if there's ANY doubt that he didn't do it(which there will be because it's her word vs his/theirs) since future and even current sponsors may not want to be linked to a possible(in some people's minds even if it's not true) rapist. This is why I think she went straight to court instead of talking money to Rose, a few million might be a great investment to make sure his brand doesn't take a hit, that and they can't go after her for blackmail if she never talked about compensation before going to court.

Well the statement for Rose said millions had been demanded. So perhaps the first 2 lawyers knew the case sucked and asked for money before filing. Then maybe this 3rd lawyer decided to file before asking for money.

Either way though, settling the case by giving her money would do far more to harm Derrick's rep than fighting the case, winning and not having to give her a dime would.

[AirP.]

The cool thing about our country is that NO ONE is above the law.

The sad thing about our country is that the richer person has access to better lawyers.

Well there is also that you can falsely accuse someone rich to either get paid off and make the matter somewhat go away or you can cost them millions if you can create doubt about the situation with the general public/sponsors. Since this is someone who was close to Rose it does give the accusation more merit and once again it doesn't have to be true to hurt Rose's overall brand.

[AirP.]

Well the statement for Rose said millions had been demanded. So perhaps the first 2 lawyers knew the case sucked and asked for money before filing. Then maybe this 3rd lawyer decided to file before asking for money.

Either way though, settling the case by giving her money would do far more to harm Derrick's rep than fighting the case, winning and not having to give her a dime would.

Can you really 100% win a he said she said case when any doubt could hurt your fame and with that could hurt your future earnings? Forget who this is, just the thought of someone famous having someone he/she was close with in recent years make a horrific claim against you, you're going to take a hit even if it's not true.

Is Kobe a rapist? We don't know for sure but he took a hit from that court case and still lives with people calling him a rapist from time to time.

[NecessaryEvil]

Even when the complaint is rejected, some dirt will stick. I mean the whole "non exclusive consensual relationship" thing while D Rose was having a child with his girlfriend will just reinforce the sad narrrative of the dumbass athlete who just can't keep it in his pants and shags every thing that moves...

Look at the Ashley Madison scandal. It's well beyond just athletes and celebrities that narrative should apply to.

Oh of course, but the narrative is pretty well established with athletes, and particularly with afro-american athletes, that stereotype is there and gets reinforced by such publicity.

what stereotype? that men CHASE women and will smash anything that moves? this has nothing to do with athletes or your 'afro american athletes'.

This is a GUY thing and guess what? its pretty universal

[NecessaryEvil]

Based on what I have read so far, my gut feeling is that Rose is innocent and this is a money grab. But let's wait how the process unfolds.

Even though Rose is innocent, the whole process sucks though and sadly it just doesn't give me a good image of Rose. His having a side chick while making his Gf pregnant... If one, how many ? etc etc etc.. it's a bit sad really, and doesn't make him look any smarter.

this is utter non-sense

you know how many MEN in the free world have side chicks? while being married or having pregnant girlfriends?

not sure what his intelligence or lack of has to do with this.

[League Circles]

Well the statement for Rose said millions had been demanded. So perhaps the first 2 lawyers knew the case sucked and asked for money before filing. Then maybe this 3rd lawyer decided to file before asking for money.

Either way though, settling the case by giving her money would do far more to harm Derrick's rep than fighting the case, winning and not having to give her a dime would.

Can you really 100% win a he said she said case when any doubt could hurt your fame and with that could hurt your future earnings?

No of course he can't win 100%. But giving her ANY money at any time increases whatever doubt there would be among the public vs what it would be if he fought and "won." Especially because Rose can easily afford whatever extravagant legal costs may be involved. If he has to spend say 5 million on defense it's better for his image if he "wins" amd therefore better for his pocket than giving her a dime to settle it.

[RSCD3_]

The fact side chicks are a legitimate thing pisses me off.

[AirP.]

Well the statement for Rose said millions had been demanded. So perhaps the first 2 lawyers knew the case sucked and asked for money before filing. Then maybe this 3rd lawyer decided to file before asking for money.

Either way though, settling the case by giving her money would do far more to harm Derrick's rep than fighting the case, winning and not having to give her a dime would.

Can you really 100% win a he said she said case when any doubt could hurt your fame and with that could hurt your future earnings?

No of course he can't win 100%. But giving her ANY money at any time increases whatever doubt there would be among the public vs what it would be if he fought and "won." Especially because Rose can easily afford whatever extravagant legal costs may be involved. If he has to spend say 5 million on defense it's better for his image if he "wins" amd therefore better for his pocket than giving her a dime to settle it.

I don't know, being a story for weeks with his name being associated with the word rape on TV, Newspapers and the internet could hurt him way more then paying her off and it going away.

[Keller61]

The official lawsuit:

https://tribwgntv.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/rose-derrick-v-jane-doe-complaint.pdf

I admit I felt sick reading this. A few things jump out to me though. She apparently didn't know about Rose's GF or baby, even though that was public knowledge. It says they attended college basketball games together; surely someone would have photographed/tweeted that. She apparently wouldn't go to Chicago to meet him until 2013, but it says she was at the signing of his adidas contract in 2012... in Orlando. It also mentions Rose playing in a game in 2013, which obviously didn't happen.

If you ignore those details, the story doesn't seem that unbelievable up until the point when the crime allegedly happened, a month after Rose supposedly ended the relationship. For one thing, I have trouble seeing a motive. Rose ended the relationship himself, but then plotted to rape her a month later for no reason? It doesn't make sense. One has to not only believe that Derrick is a terrible person to have done such a thing, but that his two friends are as well. I also find it weird that Rose would ask her to bring her friend over if he was planning to drug and rape her. The date also changes from August 27 to August 29, although I guess that could be a typo. And the only evidence for any of this so far is a few vague text messages that could have been taken out of context. Especially when Rose's friend was supposedly talking about how NBA players have group sex all the time; I imagine that usually happens with multiple women, not one women and a bunch of guys. I also noticed how this claims that the relationship went from October 2011 to August 2013, while Rose's statement says that it was over two years, so there is a disagreement on the timeframe.

Obviously, I hope it isn't true and I hope there is conclusive evidence against it, so that there are no lingering doubts. I didn't think I could ever be more heartbroken as a fan than the day Rose tore his ACL, but if this story turned out to be true...