2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 - Merged

[Habs72]

Carter doesn’t have tremendous upside, but seems pretty solid across the board. I like his passing and ability to shoot. My main gripe is his athleticism, which limits his lateral movement and ability to play the 4. We need tremendous athletes first and foremost. He would be a good third big in a rotation, while we need a first or second one

All scout reports says he is ABOVE average athletic wise, A-B-O-V-E average. Dunno where this "he is not athletic" keeps coming from(not meant towards you). Also mind you all, he has the NBA ready body already that might only need some fine tuning.
He turned 19 last month so he is ONE year younger what even Lauri was when he was drafted so you think he is 100% familiar with his body?

Im not saying he is the one we should draft but he should be DEFINITELY the one that we draft if we wont move up and there is Mikal and him to choose from... stop downplaying him and that he wouldnt fit next Lauri(again this rant wasnt towards you Ugly )!

Haha I know you said this isn't directed against me, but you should still chill a bit bro. No need to type in all caps and spell out above. Most of us know how to spell lol. Check this out if you haven't done so already: https://youtu.be/EFhaNN3puxQ

Also the eye test

Well some people still keeps arguing his case for being non athletic hence the caps . Also that video game me nothing new. First strength mentioned, solid athlete. Also his weakness, lateral quickness, is solid but not overly quick. Again would like to say that he is just turned 19 getting to know his body, fills up +250lbs and still is atm solid regarding athletic wise.
I have no problems with him being drafted by us if all other bigs are gone and still the difference aint that much. Kid has also one of the best IQ´s in the whole draft, which usually will translate to everything you do in life whether its in or out from the court.

[Leslie Forman]

I've been saying this but somebody started talking stocks with me when I brought this up. If you're not an Embiid/AD/Towns versatile center or Shaq dominant you have no role in today's nba. People like Gobert are good for D but I'll keep saying none of these remaining teams are anchored by some mythical big that everybody just love to keep picking with early picks. Now if you think a big can be one of the exceptions I understand but otherwise I really don't get it.

You'd think fans of the franchise that won 6 titles with complete garbage at center would think differently.

You mean that team with 2 of the greatest wing players in the history of the sport? Yeah I remember that. Was pretty sweet. Let’s just draft 2 guys like that this year, since it’s the last year we are ever allowed to add players to our roster for the rest of time.

Or, you know, go ahead and try to build a contender around two big men who aren't even as good as Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins.

Because that'll go great.

[BullsFTW]

Potential Deal

Chicago Bulls get: No. 2 pick

Sacramento Kings get: No. 7 pick and Kris Dunn

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777197-teams-that-should-trade-up-for-luka-doncic-in-2018-nba-draft


Yoooo. I'd do this in a heartbeat....

Bill Simmons has me pumped for Luka

Makes no sense whatsover, why would Sacramento want Dunn when they have 2 PGs that had a fine rookie seasons?

It has to be LaVine + #7 for #2 in order for the Kings to listen. But I'm not sure if I'd do it.

[johnnyvann840]

All-time great stars aren't going anywhere, Red. That's always going to be the hurdle.

3-point oriented offenses aren't going anywhere either unless they move the line way back.

Sure, but to win a championship, being an elite three-point shooting team isn't necessarily the requirement.

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Having an elite offense is a requirement. The 3 point shot is a huge part of that. 4 guard/wing line-ups are a huge part of that.

I think the way to combat these small lineups is to be contrarian so to speak and go big. Problem is that it's hard to find big guys mobile enough to switch on to these smaller centers and forwards. We have one part of the equation already with a mobile big in Lauri. We need one more and then a PG with length and size like an Okogie to play the 2.... even Hutchinson is a good example of a wing who can do a lot of what guards do.

But Lavine immediately puts us at a disadvantage because he is so worthless guarding screen rolls. Doesn't have the IQ for it. I like the idea of bringing in Bamba, if we can, and good sized wing who can handle and shoot. Have a bigger lineup that can do the things you can do when you go small. I know easier said than done.

[Habs72]

You'd think fans of the franchise that won 6 titles with complete garbage at center would think differently.

You mean that team with 2 of the greatest wing players in the history of the sport? Yeah I remember that. Was pretty sweet. Let’s just draft 2 guys like that this year, since it’s the last year we are ever allowed to add players to our roster for the rest of time.

Or, you know, go ahead and try to build a contender around two big men who aren't even as good as Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins.

Because that'll go great.

And how would you know how they will eventually be later on vs those two? You cannot measure effort either. Its not like you didnt bash the **** outta Lauri after the trade .

[sco]

You'd think fans of the franchise that won 6 titles with complete garbage at center would think differently.

You mean that team with 2 of the greatest wing players in the history of the sport? Yeah I remember that. Was pretty sweet. Let’s just draft 2 guys like that this year, since it’s the last year we are ever allowed to add players to our roster for the rest of time.

Or, you know, go ahead and try to build a contender around two big men who aren't even as good as Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins.

Because that'll go great.

You make a good point, but the AD and DMC are both ball-dominant players (esp. DMC). That's a recipe for failure regardless of size. Couple that with DMC's lack of consistent defensive effort, and well...I guess that's not enough reason for me to abandon this as a good idea.

[Habs72]

double

[NDave79]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777197-teams-that-should-trade-up-for-luka-doncic-in-2018-nba-draft


Yoooo. I'd do this in a heartbeat....

Bill Simmons has me pumped for Luka

Makes no sense whatsover, why would Sacramento want Dunn when they have 2 PGs that had a fine rookie seasons?

It has to be LaVine + #7 for #2 in order for the Kings to listen. But I'm not sure if I'd do it.

I'd be thrilled to do that, but I don't think it's allowed.

And I haven't given up on Lavine.

[Leslie Forman]

You mean that team with 2 of the greatest wing players in the history of the sport? Yeah I remember that. Was pretty sweet. Let’s just draft 2 guys like that this year, since it’s the last year we are ever allowed to add players to our roster for the rest of time.

Or, you know, go ahead and try to build a contender around two big men who aren't even as good as Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins.

Because that'll go great.

And how would you know how they will eventually be later on vs those two? You cannot measure effort either. Its not like you didnt bash the **** outta Lauri after the trade .

Hey I was wrong, he wasn't a bad pick. (The trade was still garbage though)

But I don't like the idea of building around big men that are anything less than generationally good. And Markkanen simply doesn't project to be at that level.

[Habs72]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777197-teams-that-should-trade-up-for-luka-doncic-in-2018-nba-draft


Yoooo. I'd do this in a heartbeat....

Bill Simmons has me pumped for Luka

Makes no sense whatsover, why would Sacramento want Dunn when they have 2 PGs that had a fine rookie seasons?

It has to be LaVine + #7 for #2 in order for the Kings to listen. But I'm not sure if I'd do it.

Not so sure about that either, they have Hield/Bogdanovic. There is many ways they could go at draft but my bet is that they will draft a big or Luka if they dont feel good with their wings after all.

[Habs72]

Or, you know, go ahead and try to build a contender around two big men who aren't even as good as Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins.

Because that'll go great.

And how would you know how they will eventually be later on vs those two? You cannot measure effort either. Its not like you didnt bash the **** outta Lauri after the trade .

Hey I was wrong, he wasn't a bad pick. (The trade was still garbage though)

But I don't like the idea of building around big men that are anything less than generationally good. And Markkanen simply doesn't project to be at that level.

I think you have your heights put up way too high regarding big men . Oh and who would be your pick in the draft?

[JimmyJammer]

Potential Deal

Chicago Bulls get: No. 2 pick

Sacramento Kings get: No. 7 pick and Kris Dunn

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777197-teams-that-should-trade-up-for-luka-doncic-in-2018-nba-draft


Yoooo. I'd do this in a heartbeat....

Bill Simmons has me pumped for Luka

The Bulls organization would never do that. Not only they have been high on Dunn since 2016 draft, they know there is value in the number 7 pick, especially after having been able to draft Lauri at 7 last year. I would not do it either, because I believe Dunn will take major steps forward offensively next season and drafting Porter at 7 is a possibility. When all is said and done, Porter will definitely outmatch Doncic's production.

[TheSuzerain]

Sure, but to win a championship, being an elite three-point shooting team isn't necessarily the requirement.

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Having an elite offense is a requirement. The 3 point shot is a huge part of that. 4 guard/wing line-ups are a huge part of that.

What a great argument you're making for drafting Mikal Bridges. Bridges can give an elite offense efficient shooting and finishing while also having the ability to switch 4 positions. Instead you've been saying we should trade back and take a guy with next to no NBA skills besides running, jumping, and defending the guard spots.

I think Mikal Bridges fits the mold of complementary player in the modern game a la Trevor Ariza. He's a 3/D wing.

My issue with him is scarcity (or lack thereof in this case). There are several guys in every draft who offer a similar skillset (or some close variation) to Mikal Bridges.

You want guys like Mikal on your team. But do you need to use a #7 pick to get them? I would prefer not to.

[tunit213]

Potential Deal

Chicago Bulls get: No. 2 pick

Sacramento Kings get: No. 7 pick and Kris Dunn

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777197-teams-that-should-trade-up-for-luka-doncic-in-2018-nba-draft


Yoooo. I'd do this in a heartbeat....

Bill Simmons has me pumped for Luka

The Bulls organization would never do that. Not only they have been high on Dunn since 2016 draft, they know there is value in the number 7 pick, especially after having been able to draft Lauri at 7 last year. I would not do it either, because I believe Dunn will take major steps forward offensively next season and drafting Porter at 7 is a possibility. When all is said and done, Porter will definitely outmatch Doncic's production.

Agreed. I definitely wouldn’t do it. I rather go into next season with a core of Dunn-Lavine-MPJ-Markkanen than Doncic-Lavine-Markkanen. Plus the defensive backcourt of Doncic/Lavine will have major issues.

[RememberLu]

I dont see any pressing need to jettison Dunn either. He flashed tantalizing upside last season. He just needs to stay healthy

[Axolotl]

I think Mikal Bridges fits the mold of complementary player in the modern game a la Trevor Ariza. He's a 3/D wing.

You want guys like Mikal on your team. But do you need to use a #7 pick to get them? I would prefer not to.

This is how I feel too. We don't yet have anything to be complementary to.

I like Mikal, but not at #7. He is #9 on my board.

[Sonny_D1]

Don’t post much anymore, been reading/catching up over the last 3 days. Nobody cares, nor should they, but here is my only post and thoughts:

Top players to come out of this draft (in no particular order):
Khyri Thomas
Mo Bamba
Wendell Carter
Kevin Knox

Top busts (again, no particular order):
Marvin Bagley
JJJ
Michael Porter
Trae Young

Decent NBA careers:
Luka Doncic
Mikal Bridges
Collin Sexton
Miles Bridges
Ayton

Happy Mocking everyone!!

[johnnyvann840]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777197-teams-that-should-trade-up-for-luka-doncic-in-2018-nba-draft


Yoooo. I'd do this in a heartbeat....

Bill Simmons has me pumped for Luka

The Bulls organization would never do that. Not only they have been high on Dunn since 2016 draft, they know there is value in the number 7 pick, especially after having been able to draft Lauri at 7 last year. I would not do it either, because I believe Dunn will take major steps forward offensively next season and drafting Porter at 7 is a possibility. When all is said and done, Porter will definitely outmatch Doncic's production.

Agreed. I definitely wouldn’t do it. I rather go into next season with a core of Dunn-Lavine-MPJ-Markkanen than Doncic-Lavine-Markkanen. Plus the defensive backcourt of Doncic/Lavine will have major issues.

That core is vomit worthy. And I like Kris Dunn. I just think Porter and Lavine are too redundant and neither will be good PnR defenders. I've never seen Porter in all the footage I've watched get down low in a stance and move his hips. Never seen him switch effectively on to another player even. His only defensive trait that looks like it might translate well is he has great straight line speed and hops so he gets a lot of chase down blocks. Lavine doesn't recognize what an offense is doing. He's too slow thinking and after four seasons he still hasn't "figured it out" so what makes anyone think it will be different going forward.

I think a team of that core is hopeless. You are counting on a guy coming into his 5th NBA season to learn a basic defensive principle that is mostly "instinct based" in the first place. Also, counting on a draft pick who has never shown that skill to just pick it up after jumping two levels in talent and experience. I would rather go get Luka.

[shakes0]

Potential Deal

Chicago Bulls get: No. 2 pick

Sacramento Kings get: No. 7 pick and Kris Dunn

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777197-teams-that-should-trade-up-for-luka-doncic-in-2018-nba-draft


Yoooo. I'd do this in a heartbeat....

Bill Simmons has me pumped for Luka

why would Sacramento do that? They already have 2 rookie point guards in Fox and Mason who both look like keepers.

[Truebiscuit]

I dont see any pressing need to jettison Dunn either. He flashed tantalizing upside last season. He just needs to stay healthy

Lock-down defender with tremendous length for a point guard, I love his ability to push the ball in transition and I think he does a terrific job getting into the paint, collapsing the defense, and hitting the open man. He demonstrated last season an ability to pull up and hit jumpers/floaters and a modicum of a 3 point game. If he continues to build upon that AND do a better job of finishing at the rim... he'll be a damn good one.