NBA Trade Thread #2

gobullschi · Post #281 » by **gobullschi** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:40 am

Bulldog23 wrote:I think Atlanta is a good trade target. I really like Dedmon and I thought I read some where that they are interested in Dunn. I wonder if the Bulls can do a sign and trade for Dunn and get back #6 and Dedmon.

Atlanta would never do that.

StunnerKO · Post #282 » by **StunnerKO** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:33 am

How can we get Derrick White?

drosereturn · Post #283 » by **drosereturn** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:55 am

gobullschi wrote:Why give up as asset for Dipo if you can sign him when OPJ expires?

Your not getting Dipo when 10 plus teams are competing and will bid. 2k doesnt work in real life.
By that logic, Bulls should waive everyone and sign Giannis, Dipo, AD and win a chip.
Thats why overpaying for Dipo and Turner package makes the most sense because they still put up star impact.
Indiana put up a lot of effort building up that rock solid team. Now the Bulls just have to take their sweat and blood using some assets.

gobullschi · Post #284 » by **gobullschi** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:53 am

drosereturn wrote:
gobullschi wrote:Why give up as asset for Dipo if you can sign him when OPJ expires?

Your not getting Dipo when 10 plus teams are competing and will bid. 2k doesnt work in real life.
By that logic, Bulls should waive everyone and sign Giannis, Dipo, AD and win a chip.
Thats why overpaying for Dipo and Turner package makes the most sense because they still put up star impact.
Indiana put up a lot of effort building up that rock solid team. Now the Bulls just have to take their sweat and blood using some assets.

Dipo is an unrestricted free agent. He can leave the Bulls and sign with one of the other 10 teams, which is why you don’t move assets for him.

Dipo isn’t a good enough talent to take that gamble and the Bulls aren’t ready to make that type of move.

Chicagoat · Post #285 » by **Chicagoat** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:24 am

Oladipo is fools gold. Hard pass.

You take him for a good deal like what the Raptors gave away for Kawhi but you don't want to give anything of value for a pending UFA with injury concerns. Sure, he could entice a top free agent. But what free agent worth a damn would want to team up with Victor Freaking Oladipo. And even then, you would have give an extension to Oladipo for a CHANCE of that happening. Because what free agent is going to sign here when Oladipo is on a expiring contract.

sco · Post #286 » by **sco** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:53 pm

I think Turner is a guy to take a chance on and get some value from Lauri. I would support a deal of Lauri/Sato for Turner.

That deal would also likely have a follow-on deal to trade WCJ.

gobullschi · Post #287 » by **gobullschi** » Thu Oct 1, 2020 5:45 am

Say Wiseman falls to 4.

Chicago Receives:
Hassan Whiteside, Nassir Little, & Anferee Simons

Portland Receives:
Otto Porter Jr.
Wendell Carter Jr.
#44

Coby White / Anferee Simons
Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Nassir Little / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young
James Wiseman / Hassan Whiteside / Daniel Gafford

Dez · Post #288 » by **Dez** » Thu Oct 1, 2020 7:25 am

gobullschi wrote:Say Wiseman falls to 4.

Chicago Receives:
Hassan Whiteside, Nassir Little, & Anferee Simons

Portland Receives:
Otto Porter Jr.
Wendell Carter Jr.
#44

Coby White / Anferee Simons
Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Nassir Little / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young
James Wiseman / Hassan Whiteside / Daniel Gafford

One thousand percent no.

Andi Obst · Post #289 » by **Andi Obst** » Thu Oct 1, 2020 7:41 am

Dez wrote:
gobullschi wrote:Say Wiseman falls to 4.

Chicago Receives:
Hassan Whiteside, Nassir Little, & Anferee Simons

Portland Receives:
Otto Porter Jr.
Wendell Carter Jr.
#44

Coby White / Anferee Simons
Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Nassir Little / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young
James Wiseman / Hassan Whiteside / Daniel Gafford

One thousand percent no.

I don't think a thousand is enough here. It's also not possible because Whiteside is an UFA this offseason, but even if he wasn't...man, that's a terrible trade.

Andi Obst · Post #290 » by **Andi Obst** » Thu Oct 1, 2020 7:44 am

StunnerKO wrote:How can we get Derrick White?

I don't think anyone can unless you make a completely unreasonable offer right now. He was one of the most improved players in the bubble, the Spurs aren't giving him up under normal circumstances.

drosereturn · Post #291 » by **drosereturn** » Thu Oct 1, 2020 7:58 am

Little Nathan wrote:
Dez wrote:
gobullschi wrote:Say Wiseman falls to 4.

Chicago Receives:
Hassan Whiteside, Nassir Little, & Anferee Simons

Portland Receives:
Otto Porter Jr.
Wendell Carter Jr.
#44

Coby White / Anferee Simons
Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Nassir Little / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young
James Wiseman / Hassan Whiteside / Daniel Gafford

One thousand percent no.

I don't think a thousand is enough here. It's also not possible because Whiteside is an UFA this offseason, but even if he wasn't...man, that's a terrible trade.

Change it to Porter, Carter for Whiteside, Simons, Trent, #16.

Andi Obst · Post #292 » by **Andi Obst** » Thu Oct 1, 2020 8:00 am

drosereturn wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
Dez wrote:
One thousand percent no.

I don't think a thousand is enough here. It's also not possible because Whiteside is an UFA this offseason, but even if he wasn't...man, that's a terrible trade.

Change it to Porter, Carter for Whiteside, Simons, Trent, #16.

Still not possible for the same reason as the first deal. I wouldn't do that one either, though.

Grodoboldo · Post #293 » by **Grodoboldo** » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:15 pm

Yeah, if people could stop proposing "Carter Jr for garbage" trade packages, that would be great.

sco · Post #294 » by **sco** » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:40 pm

Grodoboldo wrote:Yeah, if people could stop proposing "Carter Jr for garbage" trade packages, that would be great.

If we ended up with Wiseman, I do wonder what teams would be a good trade partner for WCJ, and what he might yield in value.

Grodoboldo · Post #295 » by **Grodoboldo** » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:52 pm

sco wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:Yeah, if people could stop proposing "Carter Jr for garbage" trade packages, that would be great.

If we ended up with Wiseman, I do wonder what teams would be a good trade partner for WCJ, and what he might yield in value.

I don't know if I'm in the minority or not, but if we ended up with Wiseman, it would not surprise me if he was the one to be traded in a year or two.

sco · Post #296 » by **sco** » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:01 pm

Grodoboldo wrote:
sco wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:Yeah, if people could stop proposing "Carter Jr for garbage" trade packages, that would be great.

If we ended up with Wiseman, I do wonder what teams would be a good trade partner for WCJ, and what he might yield in value.

I don't know if I'm in the minority or not, but if we ended up with Wiseman, it would not surprise me if he was the one to be traded in a year or two.

Yeah, I'm not a big proponent of Wiseman either, but if they made the pick, you'd have to believe they'd do it to start him at C this year, and if they did, WCJ's value would start dropping like a rock and be gone after his rookie deal.

Grodoboldo · Post #297 » by **Grodoboldo** » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:05 pm

sco wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:
sco wrote:If we ended up with Wiseman, I do wonder what teams would be a good trade partner for WCJ, and what he might yield in value.

I don't know if I'm in the minority or not, but if we ended up with Wiseman, it would not surprise me if he was the one to be traded in a year or two.

Yeah, I'm not a big proponent of Wiseman either, but if they made the pick, you'd have to believe they'd do it to start him at C this year, and if they did, WCJ's value would start dropping like a rock and be gone after his rookie deal.

Agreed. And as much as I'm really not a Wiseman proponent, if we drafted him, we should play him as much as we could.

As for trade partners to Carter Jr, the Celtics come to mind. Multiple picks, a glaring hole at center and a system that values interior passing and defensive IQ. But I'll say this, I think we'd probably regret making that trade.

gobullschi · Post #298 » by **gobullschi** » Thu Oct 1, 2020 3:21 pm

Grodoboldo wrote:
sco wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:Yeah, if people could stop proposing "Carter Jr for garbage" trade packages, that would be great.

If we ended up with Wiseman, I do wonder what teams would be a good trade partner for WCJ, and what he might yield in value.

I don't know if I'm in the minority or not, but if we ended up with Wiseman, it would not surprise me if he was the one to be traded in a year or two.

I’m not a fan of drafting a center in the top 5, unless he has AD level upside. I’m always weary of these empty gym workout videos, but if Wiseman’s ball handling and outside shot are legit, he’s too hard to pass on.

Watch on YouTube

Bulls would be stacked at center Wiseman/WCJ/Gafford. Not sure what the Bulls do roster wise if he does fall.

Could a WCJ/Wiseman front court work?

Grodoboldo · Post #299 » by **Grodoboldo** » Thu Oct 1, 2020 3:41 pm

gobullschi wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:
sco wrote:If we ended up with Wiseman, I do wonder what teams would be a good trade partner for WCJ, and what he might yield in value.

I don't know if I'm in the minority or not, but if we ended up with Wiseman, it would not surprise me if he was the one to be traded in a year or two.

I’m not a fan of drafting a center in the top 5, unless he has AD level upside. I’m always weary of these empty gym workout videos, but if Wiseman’s ball handling and outside shot are legit, he’s too hard to pass on.

Watch on YouTube

Bulls would be stacked at center Wiseman/WCJ/Gafford. Not sure what the Bulls do roster wise if he does fall.

Could a WCJ/Wiseman front court work?

I don't know, Wiseman's lateral mobility is a problem. Wendel can somewhat guard in space in short bursts, but I wouldn't like their chances in a long season in the modern NBA.
I think Carter is a 5, and only a 5. If the FO decides that Wiseman is BPA, ok, go ahead and we'll figure later what to do. But I don't see them as a long time pairing.

Ccwatercraft · Post #300 » by **Ccwatercraft** » Thu Oct 1, 2020 9:53 pm

gobullschi wrote:Say Wiseman falls to 4.

Chicago Receives:
Hassan Whiteside, Nassir Little, & Anferee Simons

Portland Receives:
Otto Porter Jr.
Wendell Carter Jr.
#44

Coby White / Anferee Simons
Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Nassir Little / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young
James Wiseman / Hassan Whiteside / Daniel Gafford

I would only consider this if Simmons changed his name to Penny. Not sure I'd want whiteside, assuming this is a s&t. Why not just sign him?

Is little any good? I have only seen him for a handful of minutes.