Coby White discussion thread

[Senor Chang]

Do we win if Coby's minutes went to a combination of Ayo, Caruso, and Green? Maybe. I hope his presence doesn't put a drag on the momentum we've built. If we can get a Larry Nance Jr for him im all for it. We basically could have gotten Nance for Lauri if we really wanted.

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[Dez]

I know we want to win SO BADLY. That said, I suggest folks stop pinning their championship hopes to Coby becoming an above average 6th man this season. I think our chances are better with Matt Thomas becoming useful, or better yet, Ayo developing into a better offensive player by season-end.

Oh come on, that is ridiculous.

[sco]

I know we want to win SO BADLY. That said, I suggest folks stop pinning their championship hopes to Coby becoming an above average 6th man this season. I think our chances are better with Matt Thomas becoming useful, or better yet, Ayo developing into a better offensive player by season-end.

Oh come on, that is ridiculous.

OK, maybe Matt becoming useful is a reach, but I'm 50/50 right now that if put in the same role for the rest of the season that Ayo would both average more points and shoot a higher % from 3 than Coby (and have a materially better +/-). Hot take? Absolutely, but that's what we do here.

I'm still advocating giving Coby 10 games to earn his way back into the rotation.

[dougthonus]

I know we want to win SO BADLY. That said, I suggest folks stop pinning their championship hopes to Coby becoming an above average 6th man this season. I think our chances are better with Matt Thomas becoming useful, or better yet, Ayo developing into a better offensive player by season-end.

Oh come on, that is ridiculous.

OK, maybe Matt becoming useful is a reach, but I'm 50/50 right now that if put in the same role for the rest of the season that Ayo would both average more points and shoot a higher % from 3 than Coby (and have a materially better +/-). Hot take? Absolutely, but that's what we do here.

I'm still advocating giving Coby 10 games to earn his way back into the rotation.

I'm not sure that's much of a hot take to be honest. Ayo is clearly a way better defender. He's similarly aged just with more college experience instead of NBA experience. He's shooting over 40% from three so far, which is more than Coby's career average (or either of his season averages).

Ayo's got problems (like getting blocked constantly and turning the ball over way too much and generally needs to ramp up his decision making) but he's been a much better defender and a good shooter so far.

Based on what we've seen to date, there's no real reason for me to think Ayo can't be better than Coby. The opposite is clearly true too, but it's not an out of bounds discussion at this point. Take into account that Coby just looks way off right now and probably like he's pressing to come back too early, and I think the idea that Ayo may outperform Coby is probably more likely than not.

[Jcool0]

Oh come on, that is ridiculous.

OK, maybe Matt becoming useful is a reach, but I'm 50/50 right now that if put in the same role for the rest of the season that Ayo would both average more points and shoot a higher % from 3 than Coby (and have a materially better +/-). Hot take? Absolutely, but that's what we do here.

I'm still advocating giving Coby 10 games to earn his way back into the rotation.

I'm not sure that's much of a hot take to be honest. Ayo is clearly a way better defender. He's similarly aged just with more college experience instead of NBA experience. He's shooting over 40% from three so far, which is more than Coby's career average (or either of his season averages).

Ayo's got problems (like getting blocked constantly and turning the ball over way too much and generally needs to ramp up his decision making) but he's been a much better defender and a good shooter so far.

Based on what we've seen to date, there's no real reason for me to think Ayo can't be better than Coby. The opposite is clearly true too, but it's not an out of bounds discussion at this point. Take into account that Coby just looks way off right now and probably like he's pressing to come back too early, and I think the idea that Ayo may outperform Coby is probably more likely than not.

One problem. Ayo has not been a good shooter. Over his last 7 games he his shooting 33% from 3 on just 2.1 attempts. Everyone is pinning there hops on a few good stretches. Lately he has been bad. He thinks he can do more then he can. Sure he is just a rookie but also a 22 year old rookie. I would take Coby scoring over Ayo's defense. Before the season i think the consensus was we might need his defense in a backup role but the way this team is now. Coby's offense is way more valuable.

[DuckIII]

I know we want to win SO BADLY. That said, I suggest folks stop pinning their championship hopes to Coby becoming an above average 6th man this season. I think our chances are better with Matt Thomas becoming useful, or better yet, Ayo developing into a better offensive player by season-end.

Oh come on, that is ridiculous.

OK, maybe Matt becoming useful is a reach, but I'm 50/50 right now that if put in the same role for the rest of the season that Ayo would both average more points and shoot a higher % from 3 than Coby (and have a materially better +/-). Hot take? Absolutely, but that's what we do here.

I'm still advocating giving Coby 10 games to earn his way back into the rotation.

Not a hot take to me. I’ve been saying since this summer that unless White returns as an elite level bench scorer, Ayo will take his job. Chortle all you like, but Ayo won’t just “try hard” his way to taking Coby’s job. He’s a better prospect period in my opinion and will end up the much better NBA player.

Had they been in the same draft, I would have had Ayo much higher on my board than White.

And yes, had Coby sat the bench like he should have against Portland we would have won. Not his fault, but in these first two games he clearly was not ready to help and Donovan should not have played him at all.

We’re in win now mode. If you ain’t helping to do that, then get back to form at practice.

[League Circles]

I'm a Coby fan, and mindful that we may need his shooting ultimately, but I'm also very happy with the guys that have been playing. It may be key to make a trade at some point rather than watch someone's value evaporate while we're still vulnerable in terms of size and 3 pt shooting, but we have some time.

I like DJJ and Green, but man they really cannot shoot. Though their double teaming and help D has been instrumental in our success so far. Hard to gauge how much of it is their physical ability vs the wisdom of the scheme.

If anyone has to be traded I'd definitely prefer Troy Brown. To me he's the odd man out over everyone. Not that he has any value to speak of.

[dougthonus]

One problem. Ayo has not been a good shooter. Over his last 7 games he his shooting 33% from 3 on just 2.1 attempts. Everyone is pinning there hops on a few good stretches. Lately he has been bad. He thinks he can do more then he can. Sure he is just a rookie but also a 22 year old rookie. I would take Coby scoring over Ayo's defense. Before the season i think the consensus was we might need his defense in a backup role but the way this team is now. Coby's offense is way more valuable.

If Coby were fully healthy and hadn't been interrupted by a major surgery and worked all off-season on his game, then I think that would likely be true. However, I think you are taking a theoretical Coby's offense over an actual Ayo's defense.

We can and should give Coby time to find his legs, but I think he will be worse than last season overall at the end of the year, and last season wasn't anything particularly special.

[Jcool0]

One problem. Ayo has not been a good shooter. Over his last 7 games he his shooting 33% from 3 on just 2.1 attempts. Everyone is pinning there hops on a few good stretches. Lately he has been bad. He thinks he can do more then he can. Sure he is just a rookie but also a 22 year old rookie. I would take Coby scoring over Ayo's defense. Before the season i think the consensus was we might need his defense in a backup role but the way this team is now. Coby's offense is way more valuable.

If Coby were fully healthy and hadn't been interrupted by a major surgery and worked all off-season on his game, then I think that would likely be true. However, I think you are taking a theoretical Coby's offense over an actual Ayo's defense.

We can and should give Coby time to find his legs, but I think he will be worse than last season overall at the end of the year, and last season wasn't anything particularly special.

Even a 75% Coby on offense is better then whatever defense Ayo gives the Bulls. Coby last season was being groomed to be the starting PG. I thought overall he did an okay job. Others disagreed. Now he is being asked to play an entirely new role on a team that has been playing really well to start the season. Not easy to just come into a produce between that and the injury. When Vuc is back you are now looking at probably around 30 ppg between the two, with Coby giving consistency to the up and down scoring from most of the bench.

[Chi town]

Coby’s problem is he’s playing like Pat.

Like he’s just trying to stay out of the way.

We need aggressive impact.

[logical_art]

People are way too quick to give up on Coby. The dude put up 15 5 and 4 last season on decent efficiency at 20.

It's all about expectations. If you think Coby is some kind of ultra athletic 6'5" PG worthy of being drafted 7th you'll be disappointed.

If you think of him as a streaky combo guard offensive spark plug off the bench, well he's got a good chance to be one of the best in the game in that role, IMO. That's valuable, especially for a team that lacks bench scorers.

Also, he's played 21 minutes this season coming off an injury with a new squad. Patience.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

People are way too quick to give up on Coby. The dude put up 15 5 and 4 last season on decent efficiency at 20.

It's all about expectations. If you think Coby is some kind of ultra athletic 6'5" PG worthy of being drafted 7th you'll be disappointed.

If you think of him as a streaky combo guard offensive spark plug off the bench, well he's got a good chance to be one of the best in the game in that role, IMO. That's valuable, especially for a team that lacks bench scorers.

Also, he's played 21 minutes this season coming off an injury with a new squad. Patience.

It's nowhere near give up on Coby time. That'd be lousy asset management and a ceiling inhibitor for this year's team.

It may be get Coby out of the rotation time though. A top 3 seed is now a realistic goal. Can't let Coby's rehab minutes get in the way of that.

[logical_art]

People are way too quick to give up on Coby. The dude put up 15 5 and 4 last season on decent efficiency at 20.

It's all about expectations. If you think Coby is some kind of ultra athletic 6'5" PG worthy of being drafted 7th you'll be disappointed.

If you think of him as a streaky combo guard offensive spark plug off the bench, well he's got a good chance to be one of the best in the game in that role, IMO. That's valuable, especially for a team that lacks bench scorers.

Also, he's played 21 minutes this season coming off an injury with a new squad. Patience.

It's nowhere near give up on Coby time. That'd be lousy asset management and a ceiling inhibitor for this year's team.

It may be get Coby out of the rotation time though. A top 3 seed is now a realistic goal. Can't let Coby's rehab minutes get in the way of that.

It's not like Coby is keeping great players on the bench. He's got a chance to be a key piece for us. I'd let him play his way into game condition, as they are doing.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

People are way too quick to give up on Coby. The dude put up 15 5 and 4 last season on decent efficiency at 20.

It's all about expectations. If you think Coby is some kind of ultra athletic 6'5" PG worthy of being drafted 7th you'll be disappointed.

If you think of him as a streaky combo guard offensive spark plug off the bench, well he's got a good chance to be one of the best in the game in that role, IMO. That's valuable, especially for a team that lacks bench scorers.

Also, he's played 21 minutes this season coming off an injury with a new squad. Patience.

It's nowhere near give up on Coby time. That'd be lousy asset management and a ceiling inhibitor for this year's team.

It may be get Coby out of the rotation time though. A top 3 seed is now a realistic goal. Can't let Coby's rehab minutes get in the way of that.

It's not like Coby is keeping great players on the bench. He's got a chance to be a key piece for us. I'd let him play his way into game condition, as they are doing.

I don't know about "great" players but Ayo is plainly better at the moment. So is Green. Coby isn't ready to do anything at an NBA level. When he's no longer a shell of himself, then you let him get his legs in game action.

[dabig3]

I wish they gave Coby a few games with the G-League, but I'm all for letting him get into the groove now - just on <10 minutes a game for the foreseeable future. Ayo and probably even TBJ are better right now.

[PlayerUp]

How lucky are we that both our young prospects received major injuries. Odds of them both having these major injuries around the same time is pretty rare.

[PlayerUp]

Coby’s problem is he’s playing like Pat.

Like he’s just trying to stay out of the way.

We need aggressive impact.

Pat is a longterm project prospect. It will take him sometime to break out of this shell. We may not see the best of Pat until his mid to late 20s.

[TheSuzerain]

People are way too quick to give up on Coby. The dude put up 15 5 and 4 last season on decent efficiency at 20.

It's all about expectations. If you think Coby is some kind of ultra athletic 6'5" PG worthy of being drafted 7th you'll be disappointed.

If you think of him as a streaky combo guard offensive spark plug off the bench, well he's got a good chance to be one of the best in the game in that role, IMO. That's valuable, especially for a team that lacks bench scorers.

Also, he's played 21 minutes this season coming off an injury with a new squad. Patience.

Coby was a bad player last year. Not really much reason to think he won't be a bad player this year given his offseason injury.

Players like Coby and Denzel Valentine not getting minutes this season is a big reason for our strong start.

[DuckIII]

Odds of them both having these major injuries around the same time is pretty rare.

Evidently you don’t follow the Bulls.

[GoBlue72391]

I know we want to win SO BADLY. That said, I suggest folks stop pinning their championship hopes to Coby becoming an above average 6th man this season. I think our chances are better with Matt Thomas becoming useful, or better yet, Ayo developing into a better offensive player by season-end.

Wow, Matt Thomas being useful over Coby being an above average 6th man?

Coby’s really underwhelming when you’re expecting him to be a top 3 scorer on your team. As a bench microwave scorer, it’s not hard to imagine him being useful once he shakes the rust off. I also think there’s a good chance we see him as a valuable 6th man sooner rather than later. He gets a lot of grief, but he’s still only 21.

As a pure shooter with no other responsibilities or expectations, I think Thomas could be a real weapon off the bench. He's that good of a shooter. The problem is he might give up as much as he scores, or more. If Coby can't eventually find his groove I wouldn't mind giving him a shot, we can definitely use all the 3-point shooting we can get.