Bears 8.0: Matt Eberflus FIRED

[Dominator83]

let alone the next offensive head coach, I don’t know how George could let Poles hire any more OCs, minimally. 2 strikes is enough. Too much at stake with the quarterback development. But he probably will.

Do you mean Poles or Flus? Flus hires the OC.

Don’t think for a second Poles isn’t heavily involved. And his oversight obviously stinks. Poles is responsible for everything that happens on his team

This is the same organization that was interviewing head coaches before they even hired Poles. The potential meddling and incompetence is limitless here.

[dougthonus]

the rest of the NFL, and NFL media (which is different) often I think more clearly are able to see what’s going on in Chicago and take it at face value, which is most correct. Which is the advantage over not being invested like Bears fans. Then again, a lot of times Chicago fans will accuse them of being out of town stupid. And that’s often true. There’s points to be made both ways. But the Bears have put in a decade of genius work now with little payoff. Ben Johnson is not Ryan Poles’ to have at whim.

I'm sure Ben Johnson will do whatever he thinks is best for himself, and who knows what that is.

If the Bears were his only head coaching offer, my guess is that there is a price tag that they can land him at (not that they necessarily want to or will pay it). If he has multiple offers, then who knows.

The quote from Schefter implies that he would rather stay as a coordinator with Detroit than take the Bears HC job. That strikes me as unlikely if we are willing to pay up. There's nothing about the Bears job that seems too off putting to me. I'm not sure what the "dysfunction" is here that seems so bad. Poles will be looking to make immediate impact moves and certainly is trying to win now. The roster talent seems very reasonable. The Bears problems seem largely in Johnson's wheelhouse to resolve.

I'm not saying it's necessarily the best option he could have, but of teams that are firing their head coach, the Bears are probably one of the better options out there. It's not like the KC job is going to open up or anything.

[jnrjr79]

If we fire Eberflus, we’ll be on our 5th head coach since 2013.

Would you want to work at a position for a company that has fired that position every 2 years?

If you gave me a multi-seven figure salary and a guaranteed 4 or 5 years of pay, yeah, I might not be crushed if I only worked 2 years.

Okay, but would the Bears even be making the biggest offer, or could Ben Johnson make more money somewhere else?

I already commented earlier in the thread that the Bears might not meet his salary requirements.

[jnrjr79]

the rest of the NFL, and NFL media (which is different) often I think more clearly are able to see what’s going on in Chicago and take it at face value, which is most correct. Which is the advantage over not being invested like Bears fans. Then again, a lot of times Chicago fans will accuse them of being out of town stupid. And that’s often true. There’s points to be made both ways. But the Bears have put in a decade of genius work now with little payoff. Ben Johnson is not Ryan Poles’ to have at whim.

I'm sure Ben Johnson will do whatever he thinks is best for himself, and who knows what that is.

If the Bears were his only head coaching offer, my guess is that there is a price tag that they can land him at (not that they necessarily want to or will pay it). If he has multiple offers, then who knows.

The quote from Schefter implies that he would rather stay as a coordinator with Detroit than take the Bears HC job. That strikes me as unlikely if we are willing to pay up. There's nothing about the Bears job that seems too off putting to me. I'm not sure what the "dysfunction" is here that seems so bad. Poles will be looking to make immediate impact moves and certainly is trying to win now. The roster talent seems very reasonable. The Bears problems seem largely in Johnson's wheelhouse to resolve.

I'm not saying it's necessarily the best option he could have, but of teams that are firing their head coach, the Bears are probably one of the better options out there. It's not like the KC job is going to open up or anything.

Last week, there were reports that the Bears job was the one that Johnson wanted last offseason. I’m going to assume Johnson’s agent is saying to Schefter “well, not so fast, he’s going to be selective and won’t just accept because an offer is made” is meant to be a bit of negotiating in the media.

[Chi town]

How do you fire Ebeflus without also indicting Ryan Poles? We cant go around all offseason claiming its different this time only at the first sign of trouble go back to being the same ol Bears

Neither Eberflus nor Ryan Poles are Kevin Warren guys as they were here when he took over .The case for moving on from Eberflus was pretty clear back in January when the decision was already made to take a rookie qb.Poles knew the history and decided to risk it anyway so I dont think he bails now.

Only way Poles goes is if he doesn’t get rid of Flus. Then they both go with a new GM coming in. No way Flus survives. They’d have to run the table and win a playoff game with CW making big strides. Daniels is part of setting the bar this high.

Stroud as well.
Hard to ask for more time when Houston and Washington turned it around in an instant. Especially when Poles picked right in front of them two years in a row.

Bingo. Only reason Poles still has a job in the Carolina fleecing. He could have hired Kingsbury and fixed the oline and he did neither.

[Chi town]

Do you mean Poles or Flus? Flus hires the OC.

Don’t think for a second Poles isn’t heavily involved. And his oversight obviously stinks. Poles is responsible for everything that happens on his team

This is the same organization that was interviewing head coaches before they even hired Poles. The potential meddling and incompetence is limitless here.

I’d bet Poles wanted to move on from Flus but McCaskey’s said NO.

Flus was basically picked for Poles.

[chitownsports4ever]

If we fire Eberflus, we’ll be on our 5th head coach since 2013.

Would you want to work at a position for a company that has fired that position every 2 years?

How do you fire Ebeflus without also indicting Ryan Poles? We cant go around all offseason claiming its different this time only at the first sign of trouble go back to being the same ol Bears

Neither Eberflus nor Ryan Poles are Kevin Warren guys as they were here when he took over .The case for moving on from Eberflus was pretty clear back in January when the decision was already made to take a rookie qb. Poles knew the history and decided to risk it anyway so I dont think he bails now.

Only way Poles goes is if he doesn’t get rid of Flus. Then they both go with a new GM coming in. No way Flus survives. They’d have to run the table and win a playoff game with CW making big strides. Daniels is part of setting the bar this high.

But that would essentially be Kevin Warren doing the exact same thing Poles just did . Right now he can say these guys were in place when I got here and I gave them every opportunity but Im gonna reset this thing and bring in my own guys . If Warren doesn't think that then next year hes firing Poles and that new GM will want to hire his own coach.

Maybe if we keep sliding Poles resigns and Cunningham takes over and they fire Flus but I dont see how accountability escapes Poles on this one. Hes in this together with Flus.

[dice]

How do you fire Ebeflus without also indicting Ryan Poles? We cant go around all offseason claiming its different this time only at the first sign of trouble go back to being the same ol Bears

Neither Eberflus nor Ryan Poles are Kevin Warren guys as they were here when he took over .The case for moving on from Eberflus was pretty clear back in January when the decision was already made to take a rookie qb. Poles knew the history and decided to risk it anyway so I dont think he bails now.

Only way Poles goes is if he doesn’t get rid of Flus. Then they both go with a new GM coming in. No way Flus survives. They’d have to run the table and win a playoff game with CW making big strides. Daniels is part of setting the bar this high.

But that would essentially be Kevin Warren doing the exact same thing Poles just did . Right now he can say these guys were in place when I got here and I gave them every opportunity but Im gonna reset this thing and bring in my own guys . If Warren doesn't think that then next year hes firing Poles and that new GM will want to hire his own coach.

Maybe if we keep sliding Poles resigns and Cunningham takes over and they fire Flus but I dont see how accountability escapes Poles on this one. Hes in this together with Flus.

poles can say the process started w/o him and he was presented w/ 3 candidates. still, even if he felt like he couldn't bring in other candidates, it appears he chose the wrong one

[dice]

Don’t think for a second Poles isn’t heavily involved. And his oversight obviously stinks. Poles is responsible for everything that happens on his team

This is the same organization that was interviewing head coaches before they even hired Poles. The potential meddling and incompetence is limitless here.

I’d bet Poles wanted to move on from Flus but McCaskey’s said NO.

Flus was basically picked for Poles.

no he wasn't

[fleet]

Originally Poles chose flus over 2 other candidates they picked for him. (Which is monumentally stupid for the Bears, what new). However Poles definitely reaffirmed his choice last season. Flus belongs to Poles now, 100%. I believe George when he says he is hands off. However George perhaps needs to get engaged again at some point the next few months, because the ship ain’t running itself so great.

[dice]

After watching Caleb all year, and watching the conversation on ESPN about Caleb’s “regression”, I have a feeling the Bears screwed Caleb up in this moment by putting too much responsibility on his plate and not simplifying his options. The other teams with rookie QBs made the right decision on development by taking a more traditional approach, KISS. The Bears did not. They seem to want to let him take his lumps and pull through. But that’s unnecessarily risky.

Normally I DO NOT place blame on teams for players under their care not developing. Either they can play, or they can’t in my book. But I do actually believe that Caleb is not currently doing well under the Bears plan for him in part because he can’t handle it well at this stage of his career. Maybe this is a case where the Bears will be shown as being smart if Caleb starts to put it all together. He is in the weeds right now unfortunately. My main point is that there is different quantum universe outcome for Caleb where the Bears are getting more out of him by putting less on his plate.

Aside from Jayden Daniels, who are these other QBs that are doing so much better? Maye has been a bit better, but not by that much, and he's been up and down lately. Nix isn't doing that great in DEN.

After watching that breakdown from Chase Daniels, it seems like a lot of this is on Caleb not making the right decisions. Maybe some of that is on the coaches for not emphasizing enough to him that he has to take those shorts throws when they're there. Caleb is also a little younger than Nix and Daniels, and I think Maye, too, so maybe he's just a little behind in his ability to recognize defenses.

Before we hit the panic button on Caleb, I think we should let the season play out. Sometimes a light goes on, and suddenly everything falls into place.

Both Jayden Daniels and Bo nix played 2 FULL seasons more of college football than Caleb. That matters much more than the 1 year age gap.

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JD was injured one of those years. not sure how much difference the age and experience is worth. law of diminishing returns. seems to me caleb had more than enough college experience. it's not like he was gonna get much better stuck at that level

[dice]

Originally Poles chose flus over 2 other candidates they picked for him. (Which is monumentally stupid for the Bears, what new). However Poles definitely reaffirmed his choice last season. Flus belongs to Poles now, 100%. I believe George when he says he is hands off. However George perhaps needs to get engaged again at some point the next few months, because the ship ain’t running itself so great.

not sure poles has unilateral authority to fire a coach 2 years into a deal, particularly when year 1 was a tank year

[fleet]

Originally Poles chose flus over 2 other candidates they picked for him. (Which is monumentally stupid for the Bears, what new). However Poles definitely reaffirmed his choice last season. Flus belongs to Poles now, 100%. I believe George when he says he is hands off. However George perhaps needs to get engaged again at some point the next few months, because the ship ain’t running itself so great.

not sure poles has unilateral authority to fire a coach 2 years into a deal, particularly when year 1 was a tank year

I’m sure George has to sign off, but I assume pretty strongly that he would if pressed. I do believe George when he says he’s not going to interfere with his GM. To a point. Like if Poles wanted to hire Harbaugh, that would take a highly subjective financial call by ownership.

[dice]

Originally Poles chose flus over 2 other candidates they picked for him. (Which is monumentally stupid for the Bears, what new). However Poles definitely reaffirmed his choice last season. Flus belongs to Poles now, 100%. I believe George when he says he is hands off. However George perhaps needs to get engaged again at some point the next few months, because the ship ain’t running itself so great.

not sure poles has unilateral authority to fire a coach 2 years into a deal, particularly when year 1 was a tank year

I’m sure George has to sign off, but I assume pretty strongly that he would if pressed. I do believe George when he says he’s not going to interfere with his GM. To a point. Like if Poles wanted to hire Harbaugh, that would take a highly subjective financial call by ownership.

do you think poles wanted a rookie HC? and not of the wunderkind variety

[dice]

FWIW, the avg. tenure of both head coaches and GMs is 3 years. there's a soft rule that GM's get 3 drafts and/or 1 QB change

[Dresden]

There's a lot of football to be played yet this season. We're 4-4, not 2-6 or 1-7. There's bound to be ups and downs with a new OC and a rookie QB. If not for a monumental breakdown, we'd be 5-3 with a good win over WAS under our belts.

I admit things look bleak as we head into a very difficult rest of the season. NE could be the last game we're favored to win this year. But let's see how it plays out, because it's possible Caleb is very close to turning things around.

The coaches must be pointing out to him the same things on the film that guys like Chase Daniels and whoever are seeing. Can he learn from that to make better decisions? Each week is a new opportunity to get it right, and I think once he does get it right, the offense will be ok. There's no logical reason why it shouldn't. The line, while bad, is not horrendous. I think Waldron is ok. Our WR, RB and TE all look strong. Caleb just has to start getting the ball out on time, and taking his check downs.

In any case, while understandable, I think it's premature to talk about coaching changes and GM resignations just yet.

[dice]

Only way Poles goes is if he doesn’t get rid of Flus. Then they both go with a new GM coming in. No way Flus survives. They’d have to run the table and win a playoff game with CW making big strides. Daniels is part of setting the bar this high.

Stroud as well.
Hard to ask for more time when Houston and Washington turned it around in an instant. Especially when Poles picked right in front of them two years in a row.

Bingo. Only reason Poles still has a job in the Carolina fleecing. He could have hired Kingsbury and fixed the oline and he did neither.

he didn't fleece carolina either. he got lucky that they majorly whiffed with the #1 pick

[Dresden]

FWIW, the avg. tenure of both head coaches and GMs is 3 years. there's a soft rule that GM's get 3 drafts and/or 1 QB change

And I assume that after 3 years, GM's only get canned if the team isn't headed in a good direction. Wins and losses matter, but I think not as much as the overall makeup of the team that the GM has put together. And if you look at the Bears, the defense is robust and loaded with good young players. On offense, the two issues are the line and the QB. And you just got the best young QB prospect to come out in the last 5 years or so.

Considering where the Bears were when Poles took over, those are pretty good results in 3 years. Maybe they need a new coach to take them to the next level, and some help on the line. Both doable next offseason. Unless there's a candidate out there equivalent to a Jim Finks or Ozzie Newsome, I just don't see a good reason to fire Poles.

[jnrjr79]

Originally Poles chose flus over 2 other candidates they picked for him. (Which is monumentally stupid for the Bears, what new). However Poles definitely reaffirmed his choice last season. Flus belongs to Poles now, 100%. I believe George when he says he is hands off. However George perhaps needs to get engaged again at some point the next few months, because the ship ain’t running itself so great.

If anyone should do this, it’s Kevin Warren. McCaskey doing it would be just more organizational dysfunction.

[jnrjr79]

Stroud as well.
Hard to ask for more time when Houston and Washington turned it around in an instant. Especially when Poles picked right in front of them two years in a row.

Bingo. Only reason Poles still has a job in the Carolina fleecing. He could have hired Kingsbury and fixed the oline and he did neither.

he didn't fleece carolina either. he got lucky that they majorly whiffed with the #1 pick

Carolina was going to be pretty bad either way. The idea that the trade was only good because of luck is pretty absurd.