Shams: Lonzo for Okoro

[jordanwilliams6]

I actually really like this trade. Remember Lonzo missed years and despite making a comeback last season, still only played 35 games and shot reasonably poorly. The FRP nonsense is leaving out the fact that we would be taking on negative assets.

Okoro is a solid player and is an excellent defender. I would not be shocked to see him start next year between Coby & Giddey as the 3&D wing which seems like a pretty good fit. He’s a solid shooter these days and we might see a bump in production in a faster paced offense. The short term contract gives us a look at him with a view to a longer term fit.

[The Force.]

It's the reports about what AK COULD'VE done that makes me uncomfortable about his decision making.

I wish I knew the vision before I judge him so harshly.

The vision is to remain in Reinsdorf’s treadmill overton window indefinitely.

Even in the Paxson era they rarely traded for draft capital. Without Rose they would’ve been a perpetual treadmill team.

Outside of lucking into a star with a low FRP, management will never build a true contender. It’s the epitome of NBA hell.

[GoBlue72391]

I like this. Defensive wing with athleticism and an ever improving 3-ball. Former #5 draft pick and he’s still young. All it cost was Lonzo who hasn’t done squat in about 3 years. Some of you are never satisfied it seems.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but if we traded Pat that is exactly what the fans of his new team would be saying to convince themselves it was a good trade.

[GoBlue72391]

A lot of people are complaining about people complaining about this trade.

We could have traded Lonzo 4 months ago for a 1st. Now we traded him for a bust who's very similar to several guys we already have on the roster.

Why should we be happy we made a worse trade? The trade itself is perfectly fine, but with the context that we passed on a 1st makes it horrible.

[Dominator83]

It's completely justifiable. You just don't like it. Okoro is the better, younger player who still has some upside and is signed to a team friendly contract. He doesn't need to make a huge leap forward to be worth a below average contract. He just needs to be a little bit better, which isn't a huge ask for someone as young as him.

And if the Bulls need to clear a 11 million dollar expiring contract it won't be that hard.

Yea i really don't hate this trade. As i mentioned in an earlier post, we're looking for other Team's Markkanens. High picks who underperfromed for their drafting teams, then the lightbulb turned on later. *IF* Giddey continues to play like post-ASB Giddey, then they've already found one taking that avenue. I don't really have an issue taking a similiar swing with Okoro here especially considering its a low-risk move. Lonzo will never be the guy from 2021. Okoro MIGHT turn out to be what AKME thought Pat would be.

If hes not, well atleast his contract is short term and not anything crazy. Cuts into capspace a little, but capspace is wildly overrated these days, as the true A-listers almost never reach UFA anymore due to extensions being too lucrative to turn down. Capspace these days usually leads to overpaying guys like PG13 as if they're Lebron james. Now, if were investing capspace in Okoro while next summer was headed for a 2010 level star studded free agency of A-listers in their prime, then i would be pissed! Currently i believe Doncic is scheduled to be a FA next summer, but i would be really surprised if he ever reaches FA, he'll likely sign an extension. But if he does, then all we need is 1 MAX slot

If AK thinks that Okoro is going to take a leap forward like Markkanen did then he's fooling himself. At this point I bet he is what he is (which isn't bad...he's solid)

It's a minor move, so it's not a big deal to me. However, like I said in a previous reply, I'd like AK to think bigger (such as the Memphis trade if it was offered...another example is the New Orleans deal in this past draft, but that one didn't involve Lonzo).

For what its worth, I was listening to a podcast that had KC Johnson, and KC said that from what he understands, the Bulls did NOT get the same offer that Atlanta got. Of course, even if true, that speaks to AKME's inability to hold other GMs feet to the fire and force better offers. I've also heard stuff recently from KC that AK specifically hasn't been a very approachable executive. Like other GMs would call making offers for guys, and AK wouldn't even respond. So not only is he awful at negotiating, but also at building up a carte blanche with other GMs.

[HomoSapien]

Yea i really don't hate this trade. As i mentioned in an earlier post, we're looking for other Team's Markkanens. High picks who underperfromed for their drafting teams, then the lightbulb turned on later. *IF* Giddey continues to play like post-ASB Giddey, then they've already found one taking that avenue. I don't really have an issue taking a similiar swing with Okoro here especially considering its a low-risk move. Lonzo will never be the guy from 2021. Okoro MIGHT turn out to be what AKME thought Pat would be.

If hes not, well atleast his contract is short term and not anything crazy. Cuts into capspace a little, but capspace is wildly overrated these days, as the true A-listers almost never reach UFA anymore due to extensions being too lucrative to turn down. Capspace these days usually leads to overpaying guys like PG13 as if they're Lebron james. Now, if were investing capspace in Okoro while next summer was headed for a 2010 level star studded free agency of A-listers in their prime, then i would be pissed! Currently i believe Doncic is scheduled to be a FA next summer, but i would be really surprised if he ever reaches FA, he'll likely sign an extension. But if he does, then all we need is 1 MAX slot

If AK thinks that Okoro is going to take a leap forward like Markkanen did then he's fooling himself. At this point I bet he is what he is (which isn't bad...he's solid)

It's a minor move, so it's not a big deal to me. However, like I said in a previous reply, I'd like AK to think bigger (such as the Memphis trade if it was offered...another example is the New Orleans deal in this past draft, but that one didn't involve Lonzo).

For what its worth, I was listening to a podcast that had KC Johnson, and KC said that from what he understands, the Bulls did NOT get the same offer that Atlanta got. Of course, even if true, that speaks to AKME's inability to hold other GMs feet to the fire and force better offers. I've also heard stuff recently from KC that AK specifically hasn't been a very approachable executive. Like other GMs would call making offers for guys, and AK wouldn't even respond. So not only is he awful at negotiating, but also at building up a carte blanche with other GMs.

I heard that KC interview to and it goes directly against what Dumars said.

[Dan Z]

I actually really like this trade. Remember Lonzo missed years and despite making a comeback last season, still only played 35 games and shot reasonably poorly. The FRP nonsense is leaving out the fact that we would be taking on negative assets.

Okoro is a solid player and is an excellent defender. I would not be shocked to see him start next year between Coby & Giddey as the 3&D wing which seems like a pretty good fit. He’s a solid shooter these days and we might see a bump in production in a faster paced offense. The short term contract gives us a look at him with a view to a longer term fit.

If the contract the Bulls would get from Memphis was Marcus Smart then it isn't a big deal. He'd provide defense and his contract expires after this upcoming season.

That's if the rumor was even true.

[jordanwilliams6]

I like this. Defensive wing with athleticism and an ever improving 3-ball. Former #5 draft pick and he’s still young. All it cost was Lonzo who hasn’t done squat in about 3 years. Some of you are never satisfied it seems.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but if we traded Pat that is exactly what the fans of his new team would be saying to convince themselves it was a good trade.

The issue with Pat is that he’s now making $18 million a year on a long term contract. He’s also noticeably got worse since signing the contract.

If Pat was being paid Okoro’s shorter contract for his usual solid 10/4 production on elite shooting & solid defense then most people wouldn’t have a problem.

[Dez]

A lot of people are complaining about people complaining about this trade.

We could have traded Lonzo 4 months ago for a 1st. Now we traded him for a bust who's very similar to several guys we already have on the roster.

Why should we be happy we made a worse trade?

We don't know the protections on that 1st, it's most lively would've been a fake first like the Blazers pick in which case it's worthless plus adding Smart.

Debatable as to whether this is a worse trade given Okoro hasn't played yet. A lot of people said the same about Giddey/Caruso, there's zero reason to be happy or angry with the trade because right now it's the definition of meh.

[Dan Z]

It's the reports about what AK COULD'VE done that makes me uncomfortable about his decision making.

I wish I knew the vision before I judge him so harshly.

The vision is to remain in Reinsdorf’s treadmill overton window indefinitely.

Even in the Paxson era they rarely traded for draft capital. Without Rose they would’ve been a perpetual treadmill team.

Outside of lucking into a star with a low FRP, management will never build a true contender. It’s the epitome of NBA hell.

What are you talking about? Paxson traded Eddy Curry for picks that turned out to be LaMarcus Aldridge (who was traded for Tyrus Thomas) and Joakim Noah.

He also traded a future first to Phoenix for the rights to Luol Deng (the pick that was traded ended up being a late pick).

Later on they traded Mirotic for a first (Chandler Hutchison) but that was Gar right? Or am I wrong about that? It also didn't work out because Hutchison wasn't good.

[GoBlue72391]

A lot of people are complaining about people complaining about this trade.

We could have traded Lonzo 4 months ago for a 1st. Now we traded him for a bust who's very similar to several guys we already have on the roster.

Why should we be happy we made a worse trade?

We don't know the protections on that 1st, it's most lively would've been a fake first like the Blazers pick in which case it's worthless plus adding Smart.

Debatable as to whether this is a worse trade given Okoro hasn't played yet. A lot of people said the same about Giddey/Caruso, there's zero reason to be happy or angry with the trade because right now it's the definition of meh.

I'm not angry with this trade, I'm angry with the one we didn't make.

[Jeffster81]

I am now officially concern about what AK will get for Coby.

[The Force.]

I don’t understand what the big deal is here. Let’s give him a chance.

It’s like the Giddey trade thread which was full of ridiculous takes and comments which turned out to be completely wrong and premature.

Giddey hasn’t proven anything outside of winning meaningless games in March and consequently getting destroyed in the play-in.

Meanwhile Caruso is on the front end of a potential dynasty while collecting championship rings.

[Dez]

I don’t understand what the big deal is here. Let’s give him a chance.

It’s like the Giddey trade thread which was full of ridiculous takes and comments which turned out to be completely wrong and premature.

Giddey hasn’t proven anything outside of winning meaningless games in March and consequently getting destroyed in the play-in.

Meanwhile Caruso is on the front end of a potential dynasty while collecting championship rings.

Front end of a potential dynasty? They got taken to 7 games by a crippled Haliburton while being allowed to hack their way to a championship.

[Betta Bulleavit]

I don’t understand what the big deal is here. Let’s give him a chance.

It’s like the Giddey trade thread which was full of ridiculous takes and comments which turned out to be completely wrong and premature.

Giddey hasn’t proven anything outside of winning meaningless games in March and consequently getting destroyed in the play-in.

Meanwhile Caruso is on the front end of a potential dynasty while collecting championship rings.

So what? Would we be collecting those rings if Caruso was still on the team? No. We’d be trying to figure out how to retain him instead of losing him for nothing.

[Jvaughn]

I am now officially concern about what AK will get for Coby.

Whatever it is, I bet there won't be any picks involved. Unless AK throws in his calling card 2nd round pick.

[Dan Z]

A lot of people are complaining about people complaining about this trade.

We could have traded Lonzo 4 months ago for a 1st. Now we traded him for a bust who's very similar to several guys we already have on the roster.

Why should we be happy we made a worse trade?

We don't know the protections on that 1st, it's most lively would've been a fake first like the Blazers pick in which case it's worthless plus adding Smart.

Debatable as to whether this is a worse trade given Okoro hasn't played yet. A lot of people said the same about Giddey/Caruso, there's zero reason to be happy or angry with the trade because right now it's the definition of meh.

If Marcus Smart was part of the deal (who I think was in the rumor?) then he was ultimately traded to the Wizards for a 2025 pick. Was that #18? If so, Walter Clayton was picked at that spot and the Wizards traded him for Will Riley, plus the #43 pick and 2nd round picks in 2031 and 2032.

https://www.nba.com/news/wizards-grizzlies-kings-smart-laravia-len-trade

[The Force.]

It's the reports about what AK COULD'VE done that makes me uncomfortable about his decision making.

I wish I knew the vision before I judge him so harshly.

The vision is to remain in Reinsdorf’s treadmill overton window indefinitely.

Even in the Paxson era they rarely traded for draft capital. Without Rose they would’ve been a perpetual treadmill team.

Outside of lucking into a star with a low FRP, management will never build a true contender. It’s the epitome of NBA hell.

What are you talking about? Paxson traded Eddy Curry for picks that turned out to be LaMarcus Aldridge (who was traded for Tyrus Thomas) and Joakim Noah.

He also traded a future first to Phoenix for the rights to Luol Deng (the pick that was traded ended up being a late pick).

Later on they traded Mirotic for a first (Chandler Hutchison) but that was Gar right? Or am I wrong about that? It also didn't work out because Hutchison wasn't good.

Okay so 4 picks in 17 years. I stand corrected.

[BullsSD]

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Dam lol

This post does not make sense . The giddey for Caruso trade was a win - win for both teams and Lonzo Ball barely is always injured

My favorite part of this post is what it means when … bull and kings trade with each other?

Are the both just on other line acting the same way haha

LOL.

Kings: "You're the best trade partner. Can I throw in a second rounder for you? Maybe some cash?"

Bulls: "No, YOU are the best trade partner. How bout I take the cash, and you take this future unprotected first."

Kings: "Oh wow! Thank you! I will be sure to give up this first rounder to another team for washed up players."

Bulls: "NOW YOU'RE TALKING TRADE PARTNER!"

[Dominator83]

If AK thinks that Okoro is going to take a leap forward like Markkanen did then he's fooling himself. At this point I bet he is what he is (which isn't bad...he's solid)

It's a minor move, so it's not a big deal to me. However, like I said in a previous reply, I'd like AK to think bigger (such as the Memphis trade if it was offered...another example is the New Orleans deal in this past draft, but that one didn't involve Lonzo).

For what its worth, I was listening to a podcast that had KC Johnson, and KC said that from what he understands, the Bulls did NOT get the same offer that Atlanta got. Of course, even if true, that speaks to AKME's inability to hold other GMs feet to the fire and force better offers. I've also heard stuff recently from KC that AK specifically hasn't been a very approachable executive. Like other GMs would call making offers for guys, and AK wouldn't even respond. So not only is he awful at negotiating, but also at building up a carte blanche with other GMs.

I heard that KC interview to and it goes directly against what Dumars said.

I would honestly pay money to watch Dumars and AK go on an episode of Maury to find out which one is lying