jnrjr79 wrote:Infinity2152 wrote:Yeah, that is messed up we can't offer Coby a fair extension. He's been here his whole career and we pretty much have to trade him or let him go t free agency, even if he wants to stay. Unless he takes a huge discount.
This expiring contracts are worth nothing, or not worth late firsts to any team in the league. Coby, Ayo, Vucevic, Collins, Huerter, Jevon Carter are all expiring. Do they all have equal trade value? We shouldn't expect we'd get more trading Coby than Carter since their contracts are both net negative?
To the extent this is referencing my statement that Coby’s contract is a “net negative,” I think I may see the source of some of our disconnect. I didn’t mean that Coby was a “net negative” asset due to his contract. He’s a positive asset for sure. He has value beyond simply “expiring contract” because of his value as an on-the-floor player. I meant, though, that the fact that he’s only under control for one year lessens his trade value relative to what he’d be worth if he were locked up longer-term on a reasonable contract, because any team trading for him is taking a risk that he might bolt after this season.
Those other guys you reference aren’t worth a whole heck of a lot for a single season on the court, so their value is probably closer to “expiring contract” without regard to their on-court value.
I don't think most teams pursue players because of their contracts, but because they fit what they are looking for. Contenders are targeting good players, not best contracts. Contracts determine how hard it is to get and/or keep those players. Coby's contract allows a contender to add a 19-20 pt scoring guard at a third of the price of his comparable peers, and worry about the money next year. Much harder for a contender to add a $30 mill player this year, even if his contract is guaranteed the next year or two. There are pros and cons to both sides.
Sure, Coby is easier to acquire because he’s cheap, but he’s less valuable to the inbound team because they may not be able to keep him. I don’t know how high his annual salary would need to go for it to start pulling his trade value back down to what it is now, but he would
definitely be worth more if he were locked up long-term at double his current salary. Perhaps at that $30 million/year number you reference it starts to come back down, but my guess is it might be something more like $35M/year on a 4-year deal where his value would be roughly equivalent to what he’d is now on $12M/1.
Got you. You're right, I thought you were saying the contract was negative, not negative relative to a longer signed one. I think that's why the discussion is mostly focused on contenders wanting him. Those teams are much more likely to be focused on immediate impact and returns.
Like I said, i think the fact that Coby is hugely underpaid mitigates some of the lack of long term contract. Assuming the team plans and is able to re-sign him, they got the first year at a huge bargain cap wise. And the other teams have to send out less players assets to match $12.8 mill.
I look at teams like the Bucks. They have no cap space coming, need some scoring and could very well feel the need to make a big move to appease Giannis. It would be almost impossible for them to add Anfernee Simons or Jalen green without dismantling the team. They wouldn't worry so much about signing Coby over the cap next summer, they won't be free agent players anyway, how else are they going to add proven talent? They almost have to find a Coby level player for cheap. And Kuzma has to go. Turner, Giannis and Kuzma? Yuck.
The Rockets too. I think it would be much harder to add a Jordan Poole or Immanuel Quickley or Simons moneywise than to trade for Coby. Pretty sure teams talk thru agents, let players know if they have every intention on re-signing them. i don't think the risk is as big as it's made out to be. We're literally taking that risk right now. If he's here all year, he's likely a Bull next year.
The KD signing has KD, Jabari Smith and Amen Thompson as the three forwards for the next few years. Smith loses. If they're considered even close to equal in value, Coby fits their needs much better than Smith. With or without the Van Fleet injury, Coby would start on the Rockets. Why would he want to leave that team, lol. Van Fleet, White, Amen Thompson, KD, Senguin, Sheppard is legit and it's in Houston.
