Bears thread 13

[Chi town]

When is Booker back?

[nomorezorro]

So... What's the story with Shemar Turner? Wasn't he supposed to be the "dawg" who was going to add a bit of nasty to the defense? Has he even seen the field yet? A second round pick who doesn't even seen to be able to get on the field is not a good thing. Especially when one of the main weaknesses of the team is pressure from the front 4. Then you add in Zah Frazier and there look to be two picks who aren't contributing at all this year.

Just curious what the deal is with Turner. I thought he was injured for some\most of camp, but he's healthy now.

he played on sunday

[Dresden]

Turner is going to be behind, not having been able to practice all summer. It's going to take him awhile to really know what he's supposed to be doing I would guess. With Billings, Jarret and Dexter, we're pretty deep at that position too.

[Dresden]

Nice performance by the Lions last night. BAL's defense looks terrible this year- they gave up 40 to BUF on week one.

[molepharmer]

week 3 PFF:

84 dexter (jalen who?)
83 edmunds (roquan wh...ah, nevermind)

80 tyrique (his twins are named feast and famine)
78 rome
77 caleb
76 drew
75 brax
74 swift
73 sweat

70 OZ
69 jonah/brisker
67 dayo
66 DJ
65 mccloud
63 cole

60 byard/thuney (rough start for the over-30 all-pros)
59 nahshon

47 darnell
44 sewell
41 jarrett (see 60)

The Sewell rating surprised me.

PFF gave Dak a 79 - which is better than Caleb's 77

[nomorezorro]

dak completed 80% of his passes and he presumably didn't get dinged for the INT that bounced off pickens's hands, so that's not too crazy. (still plenty of room to critique a system that values a dude that had an efficient-but-inexplosive game over a dude whose accuracy was spottier but hit on a ton of chunk plays, but there's always gonna be noise in a one game sample anyway so. the main thing is dak was not the problem with dallas on sunday)

[patryk7754]

all of a sudden, our schedule for the next few weeks isn't too bad. The Raiders have a terrible offense. Commanders is winnable, especially if Daniels is still hurt. Saints are the worst team in the league. Probably will definitely lose to the Ravens but their defense has been bad so far so at least maybe is can be a shoot out. bengals are terrible. giants are terrible.

I can see us going 5-1/4-2 in that stretch if the offense can keep up the good play. We should at least beat the bengals, saints and giants.

[patryk7754]

CJ Garner Johnson has been cut. Idk if he's been bad this year or just that unlikable but I think he'd be worth bringing. He's played at a high level for allen before and I'm pretty sure he has significant experience playing corner (maybe even under Allen). If he has been bad, he'd still be an upgrade over the 5th and 6th CBs we have playing right now

[patryk7754]

Apparently he got cut for being a massive dick head. I’d still sign him. Especially if it’s for the minimum

[Dresden]

"Bears cornerback Jaylon Johnson, who was placed on injured reserve last week with a groin injury, will undergo core muscle surgery. According to head coach Ben Johnson, Johnson could possibly return this season after having the procedure done."

Jayden Daniels is listed as day to day, but with Mariotta backing him up, plus playing the Falcons, there's no reason to rush him back.

Also Jaxson Dart will likely start in place of Russ Wilson this week for NYG.

[jnrjr79]

"Bears cornerback Jaylon Johnson, who was placed on injured reserve last week with a groin injury, will undergo core muscle surgery. According to head coach Ben Johnson, Johnson could possibly return this season after having the procedure done."

Jayden Daniels is listed as day to day, but with Mariotta backing him up, plus playing the Falcons, there's no reason to rush him back.

Also Jaxson Dart will likely start in place of Russ Wilson this week for NYG.

The Johnson injury sounds like something where he's going to miss months, so who is palying QB for the Commanders isn't going to matter. According to all the reports, it's much closer to "does he make it back this year" than "how quickly can he come back this year."

[Dresden]

"Bears cornerback Jaylon Johnson, who was placed on injured reserve last week with a groin injury, will undergo core muscle surgery. According to head coach Ben Johnson, Johnson could possibly return this season after having the procedure done."

Jayden Daniels is listed as day to day, but with Mariotta backing him up, plus playing the Falcons, there's no reason to rush him back.

Also Jaxson Dart will likely start in place of Russ Wilson this week for NYG.

The Johnson injury sounds like something where he's going to miss months, so who is palying QB for the Commanders isn't going to matter. According to all the reports, it's much closer to "does he make it back this year" than "how quickly can he come back this year."

I meant the Commanders should not be in a rush to bring Daniels back.

[Dresden]

Frank Schwab on Michael Penix: " This season he has 605 yards and one touchdown in three games. He has played in eight games, six of them starts, and has completed 58.3% of his passes for 1,380 yards, four touchdowns and five interceptions. That's a 75.2 passer rating. The only regular starting quarterback lower than 79.4 last season was Anthony Richardson. Richardson was also the only starter last season to complete less than 60% of his passes."

If we were going to trade down from #1, Penix is the guy I thought would be a good target, because I thought he would last until at least around pick 15, and so we could get a really big trade package for moving down that far. Turns out he only lasted until 8, and now he's really struggling. He supposedly throws a very tight spiral due to having huge hands, and is thus very accurate in the wind, and was phenomenal on deep throws in college. But so far he hasn't looked good in the NFL. As a #8 pick, I'm sure he'll be given ample opportunity to prove himself sooner or later, even if they do go to Cousins at some point this year (and why wouldn't they, after all the money they're paying him), if they think he can win more games for them.

[dice]

wins over/under up to 6.9 w/ 15% chance at playoffs

[Almost Retired]

daniel jones leading league in QBR

First of all Jones isn't a bad quarterback, but it does show the difference a good O-line, good running game, and good receivers can do for a QB.

Conversely, CJ Stroud, who some on here lament we didn't take, is having a very pedestrian season playing behind a poor line and with poor WR's.

I'd give them DJ Moore for their 2026 Second Rounder. Burden is good enough to be WR2. Rome is already WR1 for all practical purposes. We'd save a ton of salary we could use elsewhere. We need to invest in a RB1 and the secondary, not to mention taking a pass rusher with our #1 pick next year.

[Almost Retired]

Frank Schwab on Michael Penix: " This season he has 605 yards and one touchdown in three games. He has played in eight games, six of them starts, and has completed 58.3% of his passes for 1,380 yards, four touchdowns and five interceptions. That's a 75.2 passer rating. The only regular starting quarterback lower than 79.4 last season was Anthony Richardson. Richardson was also the only starter last season to complete less than 60% of his passes."

If we were going to trade down from #1, Penix is the guy I thought would be a good target, because I thought he would last until at least around pick 15, and so we could get a really big trade package for moving down that far. Turns out he only lasted until 8, and now he's really struggling. He supposedly throws a very tight spiral due to having huge hands, and is thus very accurate in the wind, and was phenomenal on deep throws in college. But so far he hasn't looked good in the NFL. As a #8 pick, I'm sure he'll be given ample opportunity to prove himself sooner or later, even if they do go to Cousins at some point this year (and why wouldn't they, after all the money they're paying him), if they think he can win more games for them.

I've been surprised by his struggles so far. I thought with his age and experience he'd transition faster to the NFL. Penix and Odunze were lethal in college. Thy killed my Longhorns.

[nomorezorro]

penix was really flawed in college too. he had good performances in high-profile games, but even as a sixth-year senior he struggled with accuracy for a lot of the conference slate. dude also rarely throws middle of the field which is a problem that really manifested itself in the blowout against carolina

[molepharmer]

From the obscure stat category.....

K Fishbain tweet "From @SandoNFL ’s “Pick Six”: Ben Johnson joined Bill Belichick “as the only coaches since at least 2000 to throw on fourth-and-goal from the 4 or longer while leading by 10 in a second half, per TruMedia.”

[Dresden]

penix was really flawed in college too. he had good performances in high-profile games, but even as a sixth-year senior he struggled with accuracy for a lot of the conference slate. dude also rarely throws middle of the field which is a problem that really manifested itself in the blowout against carolina

I didn't know that about his college record.

[NZB2323]

wins over/under up to 6.9 w/ 15% chance at playoffs

I think our offense will improve as the year goes on and Caleb learns Ben Johnson’s offense, and the defense can improve if we get healthy. The issue is we can be an above average team and still the worst team in our division.

Maybe we can be like the 2006 Packers, who ended up 8-8 after a 4 game winning streak to end the season, and then won a playoff game in 2007 and then won a superbowl in 2010.